64 426 street wedge?????????

I just found a site that lists a 64 Dodge as available with a 426 wedge single four barrel, 375 HP and 465 LBTQ at 5600 rpm. Anyone know for sure if this was an option, driving Me crazy trying to verify a singe 4 barrel 426 in a 64 Dodge.
The lady I just bought this car from swears her brother, who owned the car and bought it second hand in 1966 from the original dealership it was sold from, is a 426 car, and He parked after high school, aroung 67-68. Maybe a dealer installed motor?

yup i had a 64 fury with a 426 wedge...i believe the engine was rated at 365 hp.. it is what was called the stage 1 wedge ...stage two had dual carbs and hyd cam ..stage 3 was max wedge

Wrong. Max Wedges were available as Stage I, II, or III depending what year it was built in. A 426 "street wedge was nothing like a Max Wedge, and was never referred to as a "Stage" anything

ok ...please describe a stage 1 wedge;;;;;and a stage two .... and the difference to a street wedge ...
or are you saying that the 63 max is the stage 1 ...64 stage 11 and 65 stage 111 ? and that the pass car motor is the street wedge? ....

just wondering becuase i had a stage 11 and a pass car motor ..the differance was the stage two had the short cross ram carbs with a hyd cam..and not the big max heads.... from what i remember the stage 11 was either 405 or 410 hp.....and the single carb pass motor was rated at 365 hp ... the years are just an example...

There was no Max Wedge after 64. 64 was the introduction of the race Hemi. A 62 Max Wedge was a Stage I and was 413 c.i.. They had a slightly different intake and carbs with smaller venturis than the Stage III. They also had bolt in rocker stands. Stage II also had the bold in rocker stands and both I and II had 4 bolt valve covers. Stage III had cast in pedistals and 6 bolt covers. They were 64 only. 63 and 64's were both 426c.i.

Maybe I'm not explaining it well. So go here and read it. It's a good site.
http://maxwedge.com/orangemonster/orangemonster.html

http://racehemi.maxwedge.com/topics/heads.php

There was no Max Wedge after 64. 64 was the introduction of the race Hemi. A 62 Max Wedge was a Stage I and was 413 c.i.. They had a slightly different intake and carbs with smaller venturis than the Stage III. They also had bolt in rocker stands. Stage II also had the bold in rocker stands and both I and II had 4 bolt valve covers. Stage III had cast in pedistals and 6 bolt covers. They were 64 only. 63 and 64's were both 426c.i.

Maybe I'm not explaining it well. So go here and read it. It's a good site.
http://maxwedge.com/orangemonster/orangemonster.html

http://racehemi.maxwedge.com/topics/heads.php

... ok lets start over.....stage anything is a nick name,,as is the street wedge. the real names are different between dodge and ply.
ply being the most popular i will go over them...
now this is some fact... and some are nicknames ..i will try to show the diff.

1962 413 max perf wedge....factory name ...nickname super stock413
no stage anything
1963 early 426max perf wedge. factory name
1963 mid year light weight cars and some cyl.head changes
factory name .... super stock 426 11
this began the stage name referances.... all nick names
1964 factory named ...superstock 426 111 ply.
ramcharger 426 111 by dodge
even more confusion cuased by two different compresion motors in each year....
1962 413 ... 11.0 comp....410 hp
413 ..13.5 comp 420 hp
1963 426 ..11,0 comp.. 415hp
426 ..13.5 comp... 425 hp no mention of early or late 63
1964 426...11.0 comp... 415 hp
426...13.5 comp.....425 hp
.. a lot of confusion was in the low comp motors ...and many refered to them as a street wedge ....and the stage two ...for the hp level being one down from the max wedge.....
never having a real name for the 426..365 hp single carb motor ....they were offen refered to as a stage 1..as in the lowest hp of the 426 wedge motors.....
so it is alot of perception, and even changes from the part of the country you live in...call them what you will ...they are one thing for sure ...ma mopars bigest step into history....

thats the best i can do without digging back into paperwork that goes back 40 years.

ma mopar also put out a bunch of odd balls...so you may find a "one of "in most any of her lines

The low compression Super Stock 413 and 426 were NOT "street wedges" They were Super Stock "maximum performance" motors. NOT the same as a "regular" 413 or 426 "street wedge". They had different intakes, carbs, heads, exhaust manifolds, cams, lifters, distributors, and exhaust that what you are calling a "street wedge" which had (probably) 516 closed chamber heads with the usual heat riser cast in to them. Also they were (more than likely) single 4 barrel motors.

If it came from the factory with the 2 4 magnesium crossram intake, the monster heads, and the angel wing exhaust manifolds (etc) it was a Stage I (413) Maximum performance Super stock, a Stage II (being a 63 426) or a Stage III (being a 64 426)

Go back and read the pages I provided. It leaves little question as to what was a Max Wedge and what wasn't

Let me add another link
http://maxwedge.com/mp/index.html

i quess there is nothing to say but to agree...to disagee , but i do know what i drove ,and raced for 5 years....could it have been a dealer modified car ...sure anything is possible...did it say for competition only on the tag ? no... i can count carbs and there was two, and yes it had huge cast manifolds and dumps under the drivers door . not like the ones in the photos in the site you posted. but they did bolt together ( 4 bolt square flanges)into a 3 or 3 1/2 inch collector .and a exhaust pipe off off the side of the collector back to the mufflers.
the cars was an automatic,,, push button 727...and came with a 10 1/2 inch converter... (my single carb 426 came with a 11 inch converter).. an all steel body car ....no lightweight parts . it had a factory duel point dist.
call it what ever ...they made it, i owned it ....and the thing ran high 12s....in reading your link i went a little further and found this one.
.h://racehemi.maxwedge.com/topics/stages.phpttp

ok my memory is a bit off ...i said... super stock 426 11
it was really.. 426 super stock 11....
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I think you don't really remember what you had. The exhaust pictured on that site is what Max Wedge cars came with. If it wasn't a Max Wedge, it had "normal exhaust with NO cutouts. Either you don't remember what it looked like, since you say it didn't look lie what is pictured, or it was something cobbled up and added by the dealership.

Max Wedges did NOT have any light weight parts unless it was ORDERED that way, unlike the 64 Hemi's which were supposedly ALL light weight cars. But that isn't the case.

This could be settled easily enough if you have the fender tag info. It will decode as a Maxi, and if so whether it's a LC or an HC version. Otherwise it's just a story

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sure i have the fender tag right here in my pocket...been carring it around for forty years just to show to you...get real...
did you read the link i posted from your link ? or are we picking and chosing the info we want to believe?

i have NEVER claimed my car was a max wedge to begin with......i was only trying to explain how the slang terms of these motors has evolved ....no it isnt correct for the purist.....

Yeah...after I deciphered what was wrong with the link. I read it. You'll notice they never say anything about a "street wedge" or that term being slang for a low compression Maxi. For years I've heard people who wouldn't know a real Max Wedge drom a slant six call a 4 barrel 426 a "street wedge". There is no such thing.

You weren't "claiming it was a Max Wedge". You were just claiming it had Maxi Intake, carbs, exhaust manifolds and exhaust pipes, and was something called a "street wedge".

Methinks you had to much whacky weed back then

well after all of this back and forth i dont know what is was either. and i guess it doesnt matter. i do know what it had and described it as best i can. and called it what people around here have always called it ...no it may not be correct, but slang never is......i stated up front it didnt have max heads ...and it didnt, it did have twin carters and an exhaust manifold system that had bolt on collectors. I didnt buy the car new , so who knows what it started life as ..... this is a long ways from answering the orig, question . yes they did offer a single 4 barrel cab 426 in 1964..... a good debate keeps us honest ...hope there are no hard feelings...have a good night ..

this conversation has been driving my crazy, i know what i had...so ......i have been searching and searching.....i found one ...and only one mention of "a new for 1964 street wedge...here is the link about half way down on the right side just below the hood ornaments

http://www.allpar.com/history/plymouth/1964.html

i am still seaching for more info

http://www.moparmax.com/features/2008/iii_2-wedge-3.html


the first (top photo) is what my exhaust maifolds loooked like from the top
http://www.allpar.com/WEDGE.HTM .....exhaust manifols
about two thirds of the way down...is the side view of the max wedge manifolds
I did NOT have these..

third link .....this is what my exhaust manifolds looked like from the side but more of a cast manifold .....the same 4 bolt flange and it came down to the same spot...thats where the collector bolted up.
http://www.moparmax.com/features/2008/iii_2-wedge-2.html

Very interesting, I gonna say the low compression 426 wedge motor was available in 64, so I guess the car is correct, and that they just didn't produce many 426 cars that year I appreciate the info very much.
Any idea where to look for procuction numbers?

Yeah. In Galen's "white books" there are production numbers. It may well tell you how many were built. Depends on how good Mopar's records were kept, since that's were Galen got most of his info.

68, no hard feelings at all. Your last post the second link didn't work. BUT I can guess it was showing the sort of square tubed really wrapped up Maxi manifolds. Those were supposedly NASCAR pieces. I've only seen one set live and in person. VERY impressive looking.

These 426/365 hp motors were basically 426 Magnums"-Similar stuff as some of the 1967 cars without the 440 heads. Don't think they had been developed yet. They were GREAT fun to put 361 emblems on the hood and go GTO-396 Chevelle hunting with!! Since the 361's were 2bbl single exhaust, we'd cut a couple of inches off of one tailpipe and put a single chrome tip on the one that was the same side as a 361!! It was a wonderful fake out!! They didn't know what hit them, and we never told!!!

Masterful fakeout!

These 426/365 hp motors were basically 426 Magnums"-Similar stuff as some of the 1967 cars without the 440 heads. Don't think they had been developed yet. They were GREAT fun to put 361 emblems on the hood and go GTO-396 Chevelle hunting with!! Since the 361's were 2bbl single exhaust, we'd cut a couple of inches off of one tailpipe and put a single chrome tip on the one that was the same side as a 361!! It was a wonderful fake out!! They didn't know what hit them, and we never told!!!

Pretty slick, I guess they didn't know what hit them, I bet they wanted to see that "361" too.

Ok I had to get in on this as I love Max Wedge cars. :yes: Here is what I know:

The 413 was around with its standard port heads a few years before 1962. In 62 when the 413 Max Wedge was released they added new heads with much larger ports and new pistons for 11.0 or 13.5 comp. Also the crossram with the 2 carbs and the new solid lifter cam. And better valve springs were added. Also the cool exh manifolds and exh system. So the 413 Max Wedge was nothing like the standard 413 with small port heads and it's hydraulic cam. At that time there was no Stage names given to it. They just called it the SuperStock 413 for Ply or the Ramcharger 413 for Dodge.
In 1963 it was bored to 426 cubes and was basically the same for the rest of the eng and of course it was called the 426 SuperStock or 426 Ramcharger. Then in the middle of 63 they did some head work to flow better and added larger carbs and a bigger cam.
That is when the Stage name came about as Ply called it the SuperStock 426 Stage II and Dodge actually called it the Ramcharger 426-A but everyone else called it a 426 Stage II. The Ply valve cover said 426 II and the Dodge valve cover said 426-A.
Then in 1964 they did more head work and added a better cam so they called it the Stage III. All 64 Max Wedges were Stage III and no 62 or 63's were Stage III's.
So only some 63's were Stage II's and all 64's were Stage III's. And they did not use the Stage name until the Stage II's came out as they were just called Max Wedge's until the Stage II's.

Now Mopar kinda thought the lower comp 11.0 cars might be bought for driving on the street even though they were the same as the 13.5 eng other then the lower comp. But they found out most people did not know how to drive them on the street and be street friendly with the cable choke and all that cam.
So thats why in 1964 they just took the good old standard port head 413 with the small hydraulic cam and its single AFB car with an auto choke and bored it out to 426 cubes. This was built to be driven on the street as it was very easy to drive as a normal car. Thats why the 426 street wedge is in no way anywhere near what a Max Wedge eng was. The 426 street wedge was 365 HP and did not come out until 1964 and was also in the 1965 cars. There was no Max Wedge after 1964 but many people think when they see a 426 street wedge in a 1965 car that they may have a Max Wedge car. But they dont as they just have a mild street wedge. :D Ron

Also ment to say that the the 426 Stage II eng with 11.0 comp and 415 hp and the 13.5 comp eng with 425 hp were both Stage II's. Not like some people think the low comp was Stage I and the high comp was Stage II. Not at all as it was the same in 64 as they were all Stage III's whether it had the low or high comp. Ron

Well, I know it's nothing like a max wedge, when She said it was a 426 and wasn't sure of the year, I sure was anxious to get there and scoop it up, as soon as i got there She said it's a 64, I thought well could be a hemi car, but I didn't reall think so, I'm not that lucky, but even an original 64 hardtop with a 426 "street wedge" and a 4 speed is okay for what I got it for. It was a "pig in a polk" kinda deal, I didn't know what I was going to find till I got there, and I'm telling Ya what, it was a LOOOOOONG ride to her house that morning, I felt like I was going to see Santa for the first time, LOL

Ron...you're the man...you realy do know those wedge motors...:sSig_goodjob:

real quick grammer lesson......... billy bob II ...reads ?? billy bob the second
426 II reads 426 the second (as in second gereration 426).......

make any sense?

but that should be "billy bob jr.":D

Yes, the 426 wedge "street wedge" was the biggest available big block in 64. The block should be stamped V42 in large font V=1964 42=426 CI. Usually 516 heads, narrow pattern AFB, log type exhaust manifolds and 365 HP rating. In 67 the 440 came out so it became the biggest available big block. The Max Wedge basically had a different top end that was set up for racing and were stamped VMP 42. V=1964 MP= max perf. The HEMI is another story.

The "361" hood emblems on those cars was GREAT FUN!! EVERYONE always checked out the hood emblems, prior to dropping the hammer!! We did it on Chevy II's, Chevelles, Impalas, etc. too!! Almost as much fun was putting the 283 emblems on '66 Chevy II's with the 327/350!! Had to trim a tailpipe to "really" pull it off (just like on the 361 cars!!!) and make it seem like a single exhaust!! We were BAAAAAD boys!

Block exactly the same on 426 street and max except for AAQA on front of block. Block was of high nickel content. Compression between the two obviously different between race and street motor. The big difference is between the heads and intake. All max wedge cars have a cross ram which only fits the 286 heads. Correct me if I'm wrong, am sure you will. Do not know of any single 4 barrel intake for max wedge but I have seen homemade ones. There not that hard to fab. laryatlas

Fact or fiction the 426 was a bored out 413.The 413 has a bore of 4.188 and the 426 is 4.25.Now if the 426 was a bored out 413 that would require a over bore of .062.That being the case how do you explain being able to bore the 426 an additional .060.
That has got to be the thickest cylinder walls ever.
I will leave the notched blocks alone.

The only single 4 bbl factory produced max wedge intake was for Nascar!very few made!King Richard ran one,Which my friend owns now!has it signed by the King Richard and other nascar drivers from that era.

I had a 1964 Dodge Polara with a 426 single 4 barrell 365 hp in 1965. Do not recall it being called a "street wedge" until after the street hemi's came out.
In 64,65,66 they were great fun beating up on GTO's and the 396 Chevells. As I recall the dodges did not have a "426" callout emblem on them like the plymouths did.

The only single 4 bbl factory produced max wedge intake was for Nascar!very few made!King Richard ran one,Which my friend owns now!has it signed by the King Richard and other nascar drivers from that era.

I have seen them for sale at swap meets. There were two versions. A divided plenum single plane for the "long track" applications and a dual plane for the "shot tracks". When you do find one these days they are about $800.00.