1st A12 is on Ebay.....

First one ever made on ebay now for 149,000.

Here's the ebay link for it. Buy it now price is $199,000.00.

Richard

http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=250459559304&viewitem=&sspagename=S

Back On Yet Again...Must Not Be worth what they thought...EH
Hard to sell anything in this economy..


SS

Isn't hard to sell anything IF it's priced accordingly. People are still buying and selling cars, and those that are worth it are still bring some pretty tall money. If anything, it seems that geographical location is a bigger thing than it used to be. No one wants to "go" get a car

Isn't hard to sell anything IF it's priced accordingly. People are still buying and selling cars, and those that are worth it are still bring some pretty tall money. If anything, it seems that geographical location is a bigger thing than it used to be. No one wants to "go" get a car

that was the case in my search. The money was not as much of a problem as it was finding what I wanted less than 500 miles away. I could have bought a car 2 years ago if I had wanted to go to California to get it.... I live in Kentucky........I DON'T FLY!!!:grin:

Well, I'd think that if a person was interested in buying a rare car like this Bee and had deep enough pockets to buy a car for 199K, a couple more thousand to get it transported home in a safe fashion wouldn't be a big concern. :shruggy:

Richard

Your right about that. My case was not the same though. I am on one of those things called a budget.....

Your right about that. My case was not the same though. I am on one of those things called a budget.....

AND That Is My Point...When you see RARE cars like this going for Pennies on the dollar from a couple years ago then you know THE SKY IS FALLING....

This same car a few years ago would have sold for about double of what he is asking for this one BUY-IT-NOW....
My HEMI 1 of 1 Car has decreased in Value over the last couple years...BUT..I've owned it since '81 and WONT sell....(I wont say NEVER But not as long as I can help it)...I have sold too many RARE cars over the years for GOOD money for the markets at that time and now am regretting it(Like Most have done themselves)...


The Work these Fellas do is phenomenal...They are not too far from me(200 Miles or so)and I have been there to look at a couple of their cars for potential buyers...Like I said They Do Great Work AND they have a Outstanding Inventory....

SS

Back On Yet Again...Must Not Be worth what they thought...EH
Hard to sell anything in this economy..


SS

yeah, i guess, but you said "must not be worth what they thought" Now your saying it is worth twice as much......:edgy:

yeah, i guess, but you said "must not be worth what they thought" Now your saying it is worth twice as much......:edgy:

In A Different Economy Maybe...Not at Todays Prices where everyone is afraid what their Money that they DO Have is going to do...

I Have a Couple of Friends that are Millionaires and when they or I would see a good investment such as this They Would Buy it...Today they wont touch buying ANYTHING.....Money is too unstable..


SS

The top tier cars are not nearly as affected in today's economy. It takes a special person to drop that kind of cash whether the economy is strong or in the tanks.

That car wouldn't have sold for $400K "a few years ago". It might have sold at the $200K they want now. And without saying for how much (cause it's nobody's business) I got some really good money for my A-12 when I sold it.


Now it was/is a very unique car, but it sold for more than some done cars (bid to on ebay), and it needed a full resto (although it was basically complete, correct, running and driving). It's new owner is happy with the deal, "I'M" happy with the deal, and he came 1/2 way across the country to get it as well.

These transactions are still taking place. Mine was not the first or the last. But that car is overpriced now, and may well have been (at the same price) two years ago. There were only a couple of A-12s that ever brought that kind of money.

The top tier cars are not nearly as affected in today's economy. It takes a special person to drop that kind of cash whether the economy is strong or in the tanks.

thats right.:yes:

Very nice car but that place is way over priced on everything they sell in my opinion.

Very nice car but that place is way over priced on everything they sell in my opinion.

Maybe not for some folks with more cash than desire to build their own cars. Cars of this kind are really no longer cars but rather "investments" to be bought and sold like any other collectible that is rare and hard to find.

Richard

Maybe not for some folks with more cash than desire to build their own cars. Cars of this kind are really no longer cars but rather "investments" to be bought and sold like any other collectible that is rare and hard to find.

Richard

I agree. The truly rare muscle cars will rebound in value at some point. Maybe not to the level we say 3 years ago, but they'll come back. Besides, a completely restored car today should last another 30+ years, and who knows what they will be worth then.

I agree. The truly rare muscle cars will rebound in value at some point. Maybe not to the level we say 3 years ago, but they'll come back. Besides, a completely restored car today should last another 30+ years, and who knows what they will be worth then.

Every year that goes by, a few more cars are lost forever due to some kind of an accident, be it floods, or fires, or whatever, which means that there will be fewer and fewer of ANY kind of muscle cars left from the 60's and 70's, let alone the ones that had really low production numbers to begin with. The bee in this auction is a rare car to begin with and if it's everything they say it is, including being driven by Ronnie Sox, it should hold it's value for many years to come, or at least as long as any of us who are old enough to have seen, or remember how Ronnie Sox destroyed the competition on the drag strip are still around. :yes: On the one hand, I'm REALLY glad to see that these cars are still around and being taken care of, but on the other hand, I hate to know that for the most part, they will NEVER be driven and enjoyed like they were meant to be, because they are just to rare and valuable. :(

Richard

It's really a double edged sword. It would be great to see these cars still being driven, but that also increases the chances that they will be destroyed, stolen, crashed, etc, and then gone forever.

Maybe not for some folks with more cash than desire to build their own cars. Cars of this kind are really no longer cars but rather "investments" to be bought and sold like any other collectible that is rare and hard to find.

Richard

That is the problem with the "hobby" now.... To many rich guys....To many dang high dollar auctions which are nothing more than pissing contests.... The very reason a poor sap like me has to nickel and dime my way into a daily driver....These cars are meant to be driven. period. Someone who don't even own a toolbox don't need one of these cars. My opinion, it don't amount to much.....

I bought my R/T in North Carolina and I live in California. I paid big bucks for it from a consignment classic car dealer. I spent a lot on time on the phone with the sales manager, the appraiser and had more photos taken because I didn't want to fly 3000 miles out there. Did it work? Heck yeah it did! 35k for the car plus 1100 for "covered wagon" shipping to my work. When it rolled off the carrier, it was better than Viagra!

My point is, go with your gut and do what makes you happy. I cashed out a pre-tax IRA to buy this thing, so essentially it cost double. And yes, it was worth it! Just my two cents on the subject.

Comments regarding many of the above posts.

The link is now a removed listing on Ebay so I don't know who was selling it. However this car was "sold" at B-J in January of this year. If Best of Show is still selling it that means they bought their own car back.

This car has been discussed at length on the A12 forum web site and there are some that still question if this car is truely the 1st one built. If it is that DOES increase the desireability/value to some buyers, to others not so much. Dealers have an advantage over the private seller as they will take nearly ANYTHING in trade, and offer financing. Financing is something we can find on our own if we look but many don't or don't realize it is readily available. Most have the ability to do additional work on the car with their facilities if requested by the buyer and it of course is always negotible.

As I have stated in the past, the highest known price paid for an A12 car was $216K including auction buyers fee around 2003-4. It was a non-numbers matching car with upgraded (wrong) disc brakes and was a resurrected, totaled, burned car. I only bring this up as an example of past sales values. This sale was BEFORE the price peak of 2006 but there was no one paying anymore in between for an A12 car.

Regarding the prices today there are many things that effect the prices.

1. Does the seller really HAVE to sell? If so then there is a good chance for a bargain
depending on how many people might be chasing THAT car or not. I watch Ebay
weekly for cars like mine. I see final prices bid on cars that even in this market are
approximately 1/2 of their value showing "reserve not met." This tells me that the
sellers WANT to sell but don't HAVE to sell. It also shows me that there are people out
there that are probably bidding on a varity of cars that they would be "satisfied" with
but those cars are not necessarily their DREAM car. They are simply looking for a
bargain in this market that will "satisfy" them for the time being. Finding their DREAM
car and being able to BUY it may be quite a different story.

2. It is not just the upper tier cars that are less effected. It is also the combination of
rarity/desireability. As an example my car is 1 of 11 so it is VERY rare. How desireable
is it? Who knows. There are some that WANT a stripped 2 door sedan all business
type Hemi car, but others are more inclinded to want a more optioned 2 door hardtop.
If you specificly want or are drawn to a car like mine and the draw to it is the
numbers rarity you will have to pay MY price to own one because there are now and
haven't been one for sale for many years. Supply and demand.

3. Yes, every year we lose a few more of these cars to totals so there are less and less
of them. OTOH, we still have to remember that there is a window of high value for
these cars based on the size of the buying audience. More than not the younger
people have less interest in our old cars that we have a nostolgic kindship with. It
USED to be that we had the advantage of these cars still being better performance
cars than the commen man could aford to buy in a NEW car. however that has
changed with the new Mustangs, Challengers, and Camaros. the ONLY advantage
other than the nostalgia desire I see for our old cars is the big block torque that is
not duplicated in the newer small block turboed/supercharged cars. All you have to
do is look at early Model A & T Fords. They used to bring big money for their time at
their peak, but their buying audience has died off and they are now cheap. The day
is not that far away that they baby boomers that drive the desireability of the
muscle car market will be dying off or losing interest of be done with them. Not trying
to rain on anyones parade as I am right their with you, but we all need to be aware
of it.

I just don't get the geographic thing. I would much rather buy a known rust free car from the desert southwest, California, etc. and spend $1-1.5K in shipping cost than a local rust belt car. It doesn't take long for that pretty paint job to start looking bad with chucks of bondo falling out. Then the cost of repair soon outweighs the cost odf shipping. It is not hard to confidently buy a car long distance without seeing it in person if you ask the right questions and get the answers from the seller. if they are not willing to answer these questions to your satisfaction then move on. i have bought MANY cars without personal inspection across the country and have never been disappointed.

The very first one might be hard to document,but I recently saw the lowest mileage survivor A12 with under 2000 miles on it:grin::yes:

I offered him $300,000.00:yes:And his reply was:rolling::tongueflap::no::black_eye:

As I have stated in the past, the highest known price paid for an A12 car was $216K including auction buyers fee around 2003-4. It was a non-numbers matching car with upgraded (wrong) disc brakes and was a resurrected, totaled, burned car. I only bring this up as an example of past sales values. This sale was BEFORE the price peak of 2006 but there was no one paying anymore in between for an A12 car.


True, :yes: and I was totally shocked to see an A12, Especially the car in question, to pull those kind of numbers, It helped spike the prices on three A12 cars that I had and sold in 2006. I often wondered if this was a classic case of a Buyer with more Money that Sence, of if the Buyer just wanted that particular car that bad.:edgy: