a NICE 67 Coronet R/T on ebay

http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/Dodge-Coronet-Numbers-Matching-1967-Dodge-Coronet-R-T-440-Magnum_W0QQcmdZViewItemQQcategoryZ6200QQihZ018QQit emZ280253348144QQrdZ1QQsspagenameZWDVW


If any of you have some cash burning a hole in your pockets and like 67 Coronet R/T's, here ya go. :yes: It would be hard to restore a project car to this condition for what their "buy-it-now" price is. This is not my car and I have no connection to it or it's owner, but it sure looks like a nice car. :yes:

Richard

Nice:yes:

Thats very nice. :yes: Ron

It's a nice car. I don't think they will get close to 35k in real bids though.

It's a nice car. I don't think they will get close to 35k in real bids though.

Before the economy went south, I think that R/T would have been snapped up in a heartbeat at that price, as an all original, numbers matching, big block car would be very hard to build these days for that amount. The 68-70 B-Body cars have sky rocketed in value as we all know and the 62-67 B-Body cars and the A-Body cars will be the next to shoot up in price, so if anybody wants one of these cars, now is the time to get one. :yes:

Richard

Hope you right. I'd sell both mine for 35k now no problem, might even through in the trailer too:wtg:

I bought my 70 Charger R/T for $2500.00 back in 1986 and it was a nice driver quality car. Sold it in 1988 after doing a lot of work on it for $6500..00 and thought that I did pretty well! :sigh: It's hard to find a rust bucket 70 Charger R/T these days for $6500.00 let alone a nice driver like my car was. I'd be VERY careful about letting your cars go these days unless you have MUCH deeper pockets than most of us have. ;) The R/T below was not mine, but is very similar to mine. Mine had a white interior with the black vinyl top and the FK5 Dark Burnt Orange paint and 15" Rallye wheels.

Richard

I can beat that, I sold my first GTX bought new in 67 in the early 70's with american mags on it for $400.00.
My older son will get my GTX, the Satellite will get sold eventually, neither my younger son or stepson could handle it, although they both want it.

I can beat that, I sold my first GTX bought new in 67 in the early 70's with american mags on it for $400.00.
My older son will get my GTX, the Satellite will get sold eventually, neither my younger son or stepson could handle it, although they both want it.

I'm 53 years old and it sounds like you may be in that same general age group, so yes, we both can remember buying NICE muscle cars in the early 70's for $1,000.00 or LESS! :yes: But then again, everything else in our lives has gone up, but it seems to me that the price of our muscle cars and their related parts have gone up WAY faster than most other expenses in our daily lives, due to a couple groups of people who have done their best to ruin our hobby because of pure greed. :mad: By the way, do you remember gas costing $1.00 a gallon or less? :head_smack:

I have one 23 yeard old son who loves his 72 Dart Swinger, but he's more into making a name for himself in the music business than really getting into old cars like I've done in my life, so I haven't decided if my 66 Coronet will go to him, or to my long time best friend, who is 15 years younger than I am and who is a REAL Mopar guy. I guess time will tell on that. :older OS:

Richard

I'm 59 this October, I remember party lines and 29.9 regular gas. My older son remembers the GTX I sold. He told me a few years ago he remembered being mad when I sold it, he was maybe 5 or 6, anyway that's why he's getting it. I'm just a bit bored with it, been at it for a long time...

Are you getting bored with the cars in general, or just all of the b.s. that's going on in the hobby these days?

I know personally, my 66 Coronet will be my last muscle car, as I just can't justify spending what it costs today to start with a "driver quality" car and restore it back to something worth looking at you know? I'm trying NOT to even think about how much money that I've spent since 1989 when I bought my Coronet. on nos, new and restored parts for it's upcoming complete interior restoration, along with all of the cash that was spent on it's all new 1969 hp 440, it's all rebuilt heavy duty 727 transmission, it's all rebuilt and up-graded 8.75 rear end, the body and paint work, suspension and brake up-grades, wheels and tires and all of the other things that have gone into the car! :(

I guess that's why I was thinking that $34K for that beautiful numbers matching 67 Coronet R/T sounded like a VERY fair price!

Richard

Damned old fogies :)

Damned old fogies :)

Hey my friend, I RESEMBLE THAT REMARK!! DON'T make me GROUND you young man!!!! :rolling::rolling:
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How's it going for you today? Getting ready to buy the 67 R/T that we are talking about here? :grin:

Richard

Naw.. too overpriced me thinks..

Just something about that car that don't feel right.

Are you getting bored with the cars in general, or just all of the b.s. that's going on in the hobby these days?

I know personally, my 66 Coronet will be my last muscle car, as I just can't justify spending what it costs today to start with a "driver quality" car and restore it back to something worth looking at you know? I'm trying NOT to even think about how much money that I've spent since 1989 when I bought my Coronet. on nos, new and restored parts for it's upcoming complete interior restoration, along with all of the cash that was spent on it's all new 1969 hp 440, it's all rebuilt heavy duty 727 transmission, it's all rebuilt and up-graded 8.75 rear end, the body and paint work, suspension and brake up-grades, wheels and tires and all of the other things that have gone into the car! :(

I guess that's why I was thinking that $34K for that beautiful numbers matching 67 Coronet R/T sounded like a VERY fair price!

Richard
Just the cars in general. The numbers matching term when applied to a 67 car doesn't carry the weight it normally would, if true, on a 68 and up car.You can match the fender tag SO numbers to the body but not really any vin stamped parts. I think they will be lucky to get half of that 35k in real bids for that car, regardless of what the resto cost was. We 66/67 guys are in the less sought after red headed step child category IMO.

I agree Gary, but being a little different is what makes being a "Mopar guy" that much more fun. :grin:

Richard

In 1970 I bought a 66 Chevell SS 396/375(Rare alum head and intake factory car) 4speed car with under 20,000 miles on it for $1400.00. You couldn't buy the rims for that price now:old_school:

http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/Dodge-Coronet-Numbers-Matching-1967-Dodge-Coronet-R-T-440-Magnum_W0QQcmdZViewItemQQcategoryZ6200QQihZ018QQit emZ280253348144QQrdZ1QQsspagenameZWDVW


If any of you have some cash burning a hole in your pockets and like 67 Coronet R/T's, here ya go. :yes: It would be hard to restore a project car to this condition for what their "buy-it-now" price is. This is not my car and I have no connection to it or it's owner, but it sure looks like a nice car. :yes:

Richard


I agree. However in my OPINION it is an ugly color.

Guys will argue over what I have to say here until the cows come home, but here goes.
You see this on these enthusiest sites all of the time where people talk about being sick and tired of the high impact colors and Black, Red or Blue, and enjoy seeing some of the odd combinations etc. The simple fact of the matter is that the vast majority of people STILL like the colors listed above and they sell quicker and for more money than the oddities. Many will also disagree but this is also true with cars that were ORIGINALLY painted a less desireable color and changed to one of the above colors. The brand specific enthusiest will tell you to keep a high dollar car the original color no matter what for value purposes. I disagree totally. I have owned over 150 special interest, classic, antique, and muscle cars over the past 40 years, and can tell you it has been my experience that as said above, they sell faster and for just as much if not more in a disirable color than some other bla color just because it is the original color.

The most recent PERSONAL example I can give you is a 1968 Hemi Charger R/T I sold in Feb. of 04 for my full asking price of $75K. This was all the money for this car at that time. The car was originally the Gold color of the subject car in this post. It was repainted 68 Dodge Red. When I purchased the car it was a two owner car, original drivetrain, B/S, Certicard, history back to the selling dealership, but in need of restortation. When I sold it was 98% done. The buyer said he would have preferred it if I would have kept the car the original color because he thought it might effect the value down the road, but he liked the Red better. This is the very point I am making, people buy based on eye appeal. I see a lot of cars for sale month after month that are really nice cars that would have been sold long ago if they were a more desirable color. People just have a hard time parting with their hard earned money for a nice car that they don't LIKE the color even if it IS the original color.

The old car buying public is a very large group and the vast majority buy what they want. The people that are make specific super educated about these old cars will tell you buy the car with the original color no matter what it is. The fact is, these are the very guys that will nit pic your car to death and offer you less for it that an average car buying enthusist will that will and over look the original color issue in favor of finding the car in the color they WANT.

Just my OPINION, let the games begin.

here we go:rolleyes:

here we go:rolleyes:

Yep, just like I said, "Just my OPINION, let the games begin."

It gives some of them something to argue about. I have no arguement as it is a matter of individual opinion. There are no winners in an arguement regarding this subject as it is subjective and a matter of individual taste. if it were a PROVEN fact that could assign a value to particular colors either way it would be an add or subtract item in pricing guides.

I doubt the color has anything to do with the fact it has no bids

Really? Why do you think that it has no bids?

696pack,

I totally agree with you on your point that people SHOULD purchase the car they like, especially when it's an upper end, low production, large purchase priced vehicle. I also agree that as long as the changes that the new owner will be making to these kinds of rare cars are REVERSABLE and can be changed back to original factory specs, it SHOULD be up to the owner to build the car to his or her liking. After all, the large amounts of cash it takes to buy, build and maintain these classic cars DOES come out of the owners pockets. Personally, if I were to buy a very rare car, I would NOT change it from factory specs, but that's my right to do what's correct for ME, nothing more, nothing less.

Where I get into some VERY heated discussions with some people, is when they take a very rare car and hack it up to make it into a race car, customized car, or something else that will destroy the cars history and value forever. I ask they WHY they felt it was necessary to use such a rare car when they could have used a /6 or 318 powered car, that would have prodused the same results WITHOUT destroying a rare car. Their responce? F**K OFF, it's THEIR car and they will do with it as they please. :sad:

NONE of us are going to live forever, so in reality, we are ALL temporary custodian's of these cars, so if we destroy the rare cars that are so few in numbers, we denie future Mopar enthusiast's the excitement that we have had of seeing and owning these types of rare cars. Am I a STRICT purist? HELL NO! My 66 Coronet 500 is painted BRIGHT YELLOW and is powered by a 1969 440! As far as I know, there were NO factory built bright yellow, 440 powered 1966 Coronet 500's, but, NOTHING that's been done on my car can't be reversed if someone in the future want's to take it back to it's medium green, 361 powered factory equipped status.

In MY humble opinion, the guy's who hack up the really RARE cars, are just as bad, if not worse for our hobby, as the folks like Barrett-Jackson are, who are killing our hobby by driving up the prices of our cars and parts to a point where the TRUE enthusiast is no longer able to enjoy or AFFORD the hobby.

That's MY opinion, and I'm sticking with it!

Richard

Certainly isn't the color. That is a pretty nice looking car. Well done. The black and gold is a good combination.

I've seen countless auctions where they either have a ridiculous opening bid or "buy it now" and they get no bids. Scares people off.

Personally, I think 35 grand is to much for that car no matter what the color. As far as I'm concerned, the only way it's worth that is if it has 10 grand cash in the trunk

Certainly isn't the color. That is a pretty nice looking car. Well done. The black and gold is a good combination.

I've seen countless auctions where they either have a ridiculous opening bid or "buy it now" and they get no bids. Scares people off.

Personally, I think 35 grand is to much for that car no matter what the color. As far as I'm concerned, the only way it's worth that is if it has 10 grand cash in the trunk

69 runner,

It IS on the upper end for what a 67 Coronet is worth right now, BUT a couple of things that I was thinking about when I was looking at it, was the fact that the 66-67 B-Body Dodge's and Plymouth's still haven't seen the huge increase in value that the 68-70 B-Body cars have and even if they don't jump as much as the 68-70 cars have, they WILL get into the 40 to 50 thousand dollar range for really nice original big block cars and the original 66-67 Hemi cars are already quickly jumping in value, so maybe this 67 won't be as big of a gamble as some would think at this price. Back in the 80's and 90's, did you ever think that a 68-70 Road Runner would be worth as much as it is today? The only way that prices for muscle cars will go down, is if the economy stays as bad as it currently is for an extended time frame, or if the Barrett-Jackson crowd gets bored with our cars and move on to some other type of "investment" ventures.

The other thing that I was thinking about, is with todays prices for paint and body work, along with all of the MANY other parts and services that are required to restore a "project car" to the leval of this 67 Coronet R/T, could you do it for that price or less? It can be done as long as you're going to do most, it not ALL of your own paint and body work and your "project car" has all of it's original trim parts, grille and tail lights and all of the other parts that are difficult to find for the vehicle that you're building and all of those parts are in really good condition.

There also different types of folks in our hobby. Some aren't happy unless they build the car from the ground up, other enjoy doing some, but not everthing on their cars and some enjoy owning, DRIVING and maintaining their cars, rather than building them. I believe that this last type of person would REALLY enjoy a car like this and would not be able to pay a shop to build them a car as nice as this 67 R/T for less than the "buy-it-now" price.

Richard

Having owned driven, and built Mopars for more than 30 years, I'm well aware that pre 68 B bodies aren't worth what a post 67 car is. I had even considered looking for a 66-67 Hemi car because they cost so much less.

So I know you meant well, but I don't need a lesson on what they cost

Certainly isn't the color. That is a pretty nice looking car. Well done. The black and gold is a good combination.
I've seen countless auctions where they either have a ridiculous opening bid or "buy it now" and they get no bids. Scares people off.

Personally, I think 35 grand is to much for that car no matter what the color. As far as I'm concerned, the only way it's worth that is if it has 10 grand cash in the trunk

But that is your OPINION. My 68 Hemi Charger R/T was the exact same color combination and I HATED it.

To me, that IS the very reason ther will be a very limited amount of people bidding on it.

There is a similar thread going on as we speak on Moparts. Look at what a member there has to say about it from a source that sell old cars for a living.

http://board.moparts.org/ubbthreads/showflat.php?Cat=0&Number=4623580&an=0&page=0#Post4623580

"Some friends here in town buy and sell high end cars all year round. Its how they make their living. They deal in all brands, but are technically Mopar guys.

I didn't believe them at first, but they've proved to me time and time again, High Impact colors are the way to go as long as they are dated/mated to the year. Even on a #'s car.

If you THINK your car will be sold to a true, hardcore #'s investor, then maybe you should go with the original color. If you want a bigger playing field of potential buyers, i'd change the color. And you have to realize that a Mopar buyer will scrutinize the most, a general car guy that likes cars could probably care less."

I don't think anyone here is trying to give another a lesson, just stating there thoughts. There are other people that are likely reading this thread that will never comment on any of it but are happy for the information.

I own both a 66/67 model and a 69 model. I track these cars for sale on a DAILY basis. The big reason that the 66/67 cars are not as popular as the 68 up cars is because with the exception of the 67 GTX with the stripe package and the more visible hood scoops than the R/T, they just blend in with the grandma cars of those years. The GTXs sell for more money than the R/Ts and I believe it is because of this scoop visibility and the stripe availability. BTW, the stripe on the subject car was never available from the factory but was an over the counter or aftermarket item.

Beginning in 68 the stripes and hood treatment became much more visible.

Regarding cutting up original cars for a race car, I agree to some degree, althought it IS the right of an owner to do what they want.
I am planning on selling my 66 Hemi car in the relatively near future. There are several reasons but one of the big ones is that I don't have the heart to put a roll bar in it. Although the car was purchased new to be a race car and that is all it has ever been, it was never tubbed, cut up, or had a roll bar or cage. With the times the car will run today, it will have to have a roll bar.

I didn't believe them at first, but they've proved to me time and time again, High Impact colors are the way to go

OK Darryl Mr. I know everything

explain this

http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/Plymouth-Road-Runner-Real-39-000-Original-Mile-A12-1969-5-road-Runner_W0QQcmdZViewItemQQ_trkparmsZ39Q3alQ7c66Q3a2 Q7c65Q3a3Q7c240Q3a1308QQ_trksidZp3286Q2ec0Q2em14QQ hashZitem250280203485QQitemZ250280203485

OK Darryl Mr. I know everything

explain this

http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/Plymouth-Road-Runner-Real-39-000-Original-Mile-A12-1969-5-road-Runner_W0QQcmdZViewItemQQ_trkparmsZ39Q3alQ7c66Q3a2 Q7c65Q3a3Q7c240Q3a1308QQ_trksidZp3286Q2ec0Q2em14QQ hashZitem250280203485QQitemZ250280203485

Hey, first of all I have NEVER claimed to know it all or anything close to it. I am here to learn as well as to offer what I DO know.

Second, I don't understand the point of your above post?

At first I thought that was Gary's car that he sold to Best of Show a few months ago for I believe $68K, but I see it is a different car. I did not read the entire ad, is there something you need to point out to me so I understand? What is it that you are trying to say about this car? Butterscotch IS a High Impact color. it appears to be the original color according to the fender tag info. Are you comparing this color to the Gold of the 67 subject car in this thread? The thing that I see that would throw up a red flag is that the V.I.N. is not listed and there is no PICTURE of the fender tag even though it lists it as showing A12 on the tag there is no other indiccator that it is a REAL A12. They should at least list a partial V.I.N. to show that it is an "M" code car.

Please explain what you are thinking about this car?

If you can't figure it out, I'm not gonna explain it to you

If you can't figure it out, I'm not gonna explain it to you

Well that is petty narrow minded. Or can't you explain it?

Let me keep it in as few words as possible so you will understand.

YOU say Gold color = No like

You say High impact = Like by many

High impact car listed = low bid = no sale

YOUR logic =:bs_flag:

I saw some things in the description for the car that raised some red flags for me.

1) Car only had 1 cosmetic repaint. Since when does a cosmetic repaint include the engine compartment?
2) Car is supposed to have underhood insulation, yet it doesn't exist, nor does it show any wear marks in the paint from vibrating around, nor does it show any markings where the clips were. (hence, the underside was painted as well.
3) No center medallion on the grille.
4) The DODGE stripe down the lower quarter.

The color? It's diffrent, but nothing can really be done with it. These cars never looked good with high impact paint on em I think. Now if they painted it red, it might have generated more interest.

The price. Barrett Jackson Fever should have subsided by now, unless they just did a re-run on Speed. As much as I love 66-7' Coronets, they are still the red-headed step children of the Mopar world, and will never bring the kind of coin the rest of the cars get (unless it's a 4 door 66 Coronet with that funky engine with wires coming out the valve cover)

Let me keep it in as few words as possible so you will understand.

YOU say Gold color = No like

You say High impact = Like by many

High impact car listed = low bid = no sale

YOUR logic =:bs_flag:

Using your logic, how do you explain the price that Gary's Butterscotch RR sold for? The two colors are WORLDS apart as far a old car colors go. Just for the record I also PERSONALLY think that the butterscotch color looks like the inside of a babies diaper, but to each his own with colors. Why don't you run a poll here asking what everyones favorite Mopar color is?

I saw some things in the description for the car that raised some red flags for me.

1) Car only had 1 cosmetic repaint. Since when does a cosmetic repaint include the engine compartment?
2) Car is supposed to have underhood insulation, yet it doesn't exist, nor does it show any wear marks in the paint from vibrating around, nor does it show any markings where the clips were. (hence, the underside was painted as well.
3) No center medallion on the grille.
4) The DODGE stripe down the lower quarter.

The color? It's diffrent, but nothing can really be done with it. These cars never looked good with high impact paint on em I think. Now if they painted it red, it might have generated more interest.

The price. Barrett Jackson Fever should have subsided by now, unless they just did a re-run on Speed. As much as I love 66-7' Coronets, they are still the red-headed step children of the Mopar world, and will never bring the kind of coin the rest of the cars get (unless it's a 4 door 66 Coronet with that funky engine with wires coming out the valve cover)


I agree with all you have said above.

You're kidding....right? Since when does a cosmetic repaint include the engine compartment? When WOULDN'T it? A cosmetic restoration is (by definition) a restoration of all cosmetic....including the paint. Ya skip all the hard parts. Brakes. Motor. Just the pretty stuff. And with a proper cosmetic restoration you shouldn't see any evidence of the under hood pad or clips. Anything less would be a halfass job. Same might be said for leaving off a medallion. Stripe on the quarter? I've seen that stripe before, but I don't remember if it ran the length or not.

You were the one stating the high impact colors were the ones that sold. The runner I referenced above is a high impact color. Butterscotch. So why didn't it sell? Why didn't it even bring as much as my car, which wasn't a high impact color, and needed a full resto? You know everything. So enlighten us or stfu.

I'm not sure why the 66-67 B-Body cars should demand any less respect than the 68 and up B-Body cars. The 66 B-Body cars were the first to be factory equipped with a 426 Hemi as a regular production line option and I also feel that the 67 WO23 and RO23 cars were and still are, fantastic cars AND they had a hood scoop! The 62-65 B-Body cars seem to also get MUCH less respect than they deserve and why is that? They kicked ass and took names on the drag strip with 413 and 426 Max Wedge engines. Do we only buy muscle cars for paint colors, stripes and hood scoops? Personally, I'd LOVE to own a "grandpa's car" like Jay Leno's 426 powered 4 speed 66 Coronet! As far as the looks of ALL of the various B-Body cars go, all I can say is this, looks are in the eyes of the beholder. I will say however, that it NEVER fails that when I take my 440 powered 66 Coronet with 3 inch exhaust out for a drive, or to fuel it up, folks will ALWAYS give me the thumbs up and ask questions about the car, so I'm not ready to sum my car up as a "grandpa's" car. :no: There were an awful lot of folks at the drag strip that I put on the trailer, that also respected the car. It will never be the "fastest" Mopar out there and also not the "coolest", but I love it and that's all that REALLY counts right?

The ONLY point that I've been trying to make on this thread, is that if you were looking for a NICE pre 68 B-Body and you're really not interested in having to restore a "project car" from the ground up, you could do a LOT worse than this nice 67 Coronet R/T . Is it perfect, no, but how many cars are?

Richard

Actually what I said was "You see this on these enthusiest sites all of the time where people talk about being sick and tired of the high impact colors and Black, Red or Blue, and enjoy seeing some of the odd combinations etc. The simple fact of the matter is that the vast majority of people STILL like the colors listed above and they sell quicker and for more money than the oddities. Many will also disagree but this is also true with cars that were ORIGINALLY painted a less desireable color and changed to one of the above colors." And then I referred you to a moparts post with a member that had more to say about it.

You have been around the hobby long enough to know that there are peaks and valleys. You know that we are in a valley right now. You also know that any car can sell for an extrodinarily high price at any given time, but seldom does a seller (especially a dealer) except a rediculously low high bid on an auction that simply didn't get a reasonable bid. Sometime there just aren't buyers on a given day that will do anything more than steal something if they can. YOU never responded to the price of Gary's car when I brought it up. Do you think the market has dropped 50% in 6 weeks on a like type car in the same color? Asnswer your own question. I also offered an explaination of why some people may have shyed away from the auction of the car you linked as it did not even list a partial V.I.N. for the car to PROVE it is a real A12 car.

BTW, I just noticed that you are a moderator here. Nice talk for someone representing the site to the public with your comment of "So enlighten us or stfu." and another similar one in another post.

I don't see anything wrong with pre 68 B bodies either. I'm very fond of the "V'd" C pillar on the 62-65 cars. Probably not the best body to house an 800hp monster, but they sure look cool.

I don't know what Gary's car sold for, nor do I care. So I didn't comment on it.

Yes, I'm a mod here. I was asked to be. I've also never been banned from any forum, and no one has ever warned a forum of my arrival either. I have also never warned a forum of someone's arrival. And thanks for the complement.

I'm not sure why the 66-67 B-Body cars should demand any less respect than the 68 and up B-Body cars. The 66 B-Body cars were the first to be factory equipped with a 426 Hemi as a regular production line option and I also feel that the 67 WO23 and RO23 cars were and still are, fantastic cars AND they had a hood scoop! The 62-65 B-Body cars seem to also get MUCH less respect than they deserve and why is that? They kicked ass and took names on the drag strip with 413 and 426 Max Wedge engines. Do we only buy muscle cars for paint colors, stripes and hood scoops? Personally, I'd LOVE to own a "grandpa's car" like Jay Leno's 426 powered 4 speed 66 Coronet! As far as the looks of ALL of the various B-Body cars go, all I can say is this, looks are in the eyes of the beholder. I will say however, that it NEVER fails that when I take my 440 powered 66 Coronet with 3 inch exhaust out for a drive, or to fuel it up, folks will ALWAYS give me the thumbs up and ask questions about the car, so I'm not ready to sum my car up as a "grandpa's" car. :no: There were an awful lot of folks at the drag strip that I put on the trailer, that also respected the car. It will never be the "fastest" Mopar out there and also not the "coolest", but I love it and that's all that REALLY counts right?

The ONLY point that I've been trying to make on this thread, is that if you were looking for a NICE pre 68 B-Body and you're really not interested in having to restore a "project car" from the ground up, you could do a LOT worse than this nice 67 Coronet R/T . Is it perfect, no, but how many cars are?

Richard

Don't get me wrong I like 66-67 "B" bodies, I OWN ONE and MY car IS a grandma car from the outside as it is a BASE Coronet not even a Deluxe, no chrome 2 door sedan.

Yes, people DO buy muscle cars for paint colors, stripes and hood scoops. That is my point regarding the value differences between 66-67 cars vs. 68-70 cars, they are simply RECOGNIZED at a casual glance as a muscle car because of those things. After all, the 66-67 is a great looking body design and they have the same basic drivetrains and suspensions available as the later cars, so the above is all I can point to for the value difference.

If you like Jay's car then maybe you will want to buy mine (far more rare) and it will probably be up for sale within the next 6 months. See my signature.

I don't know what Gary's car sold for, nor do I care. So I didn't comment on it.

Yes, I'm a mod here. I was asked to be. I've also never been banned from any forum, and no one has ever warned a forum of my arrival either. I have also never warned a forum of someone's arrival. And thanks for the complement.

I see you over on the new A12 forum often so I was sure you saw the action and comments on his car especially since yours was for sale at the same time I figured you were watch all of those cars.

Here is the link to Gary's sale i had thought it was $68K but see it was $63K, still nearly double the example you point to.

And of course it was NOT a compliment, if you veiw it as such then it seem you have a bigger problem than you seem to think I have.

http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=140229633724&fromMakeTrack=true

Here's another color for you to hate

http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&ih=020&category=6412&sspagename=WDVW&viewitem=&item=300245711430&rd=1

If forgot to respond to you comment about the RO and WO cars. Your right they get very little love compared to the 65 factory race cars, but there is a reasonable explaination. The 65s were race Hemis the 67s were simply a stock street Hemi with the 750 "cheater" carbs. They were built to run in a stock class and frankly did not do all that well especially compared to the 65 race Hemi cars. Hence, the return of the race Hemi in 68 for the final hurrah.

Here's another color for you to hate

http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&ih=020&category=6412&sspagename=WDVW&viewitem=&item=300245711430&rd=1


To me, the Copper color is a COMPLETELY different color than the Gold and I happen to like it. I don't like Greens much either but i DO like Turquoise.
I like bright Yellow but not pale Yellow. It really doesn't matter what I like it is what sells.
The best selling colors on old muscle cars are Red, Black, Purple, Orange, and Blue by a long shot over what is left. ask ANY dealer that deals in these cars. Take the same car in like condition and equpment in any of the above colors and place it next to the same car in Gold and see which one sells first and for how much.

If forgot to respond to you comment about the RO and WO cars. Your right they get very little love compared to the 65 factory race cars, but there is a reasonable explaination. The 65s were race Hemis the 67s were simply a stock street Hemi with the 750 "cheater" carbs. They were built to run in a stock class and frankly did not do all that well especially compared to the 65 race Hemi cars. Hence, the return of the race Hemi in 68 for the final hurrah.

I agree with you that the WO and RO cars were not as modified as the 65 cars were. In my opinion, that does not take away from the fact that they are still very rare and desirable to the pre 68 B-Body enthusiast who can afford them.

I came VERY close back in 1989, to getting a VERY nice WO car similar to the one shown below, from some dumbass here in Phoenix. His plans for this rare Coronet? He was going to "open up" the rear wheel openings, so he could put some over sized wheels and slicks on it, so he could go "street racing" with it! :banghead: I did my best to save that car, but was unable to save it from this guy. :sad: I have never seen the car since, so MAYBE someone else was able to get it out of his hands before he destroyed it. :dontknow:

Those cars came from the factory in white, but that sure wouldn't slow me down if I had the cash and the chance to buy one. :no:

Richard

http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/Dodge-Coronet-Real-Hemi-Powered-1966-Coronet_W0QQcmdZViewItemQQcategoryZ6200QQihZ015QQi temZ250280802703QQrdZ1QQsspagenameZWDVW

Any opinions on this car? Will it suffer the color curse, or will it sell? It's been on ebay several times at this price without being sold, so what's a car like this worth to a Hemi car collector? It was the first year that the Hemi was available in the B-Body and not many were produced in 66.

Richard

Here are links of the competition so you can evaluate for yourself. The first one belongs to Moparts member RUNCHARGER. We had a phone conversation yesterday about the current prices of 66-67 Hemi cars. He said his has been for sale for quite sometime without any action on it. He does not have to sell and if he does not get his price he will keep it. He said he thinks a couple of the problems for him is the fact that it is a later Hemi and he is in Canada.
There were two I believe 66 Mopar Hemis at Scottsdale B-J this last year that sold for $72 and $70K one 4 speed and one auto. In AZ. there is no sales tax on a private party sale of a used car. So if you back out the sales tax, seller and buyer fee you will get the net purchase price if the buyer was able to buy one of these cars directly from the seller which would bring it down to around $53200. That is about the bottom of the market for a Hemi car in my opinion.

What is surprising is that as of late there have been some nice 69 Hemi R/Ts for sale for less than what a few 69 A12 cars have sold for recently. It just makes no sence to me. When the market takes a hit some strange things seem to happen.

http://www.cars-on-line.com/34753.html $70K auto new Hemi RUNCHARGER

http://www.jagmotorsports.com/dealerfiles/ListingView.asp?ListingID=12 $108K 4 speed

http://www.showdownmusclecars.com/inventory/C19066 $90K 4 speed

http://www.cars-on-line.com/37986.html $60K Auto
same car as above currently on Ebay http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/1967-Hemi-Coronet-RT-Rare_W0QQitemZ140258002909QQihZ004QQcategoryZ6200Q QssPageNameZWDVWQQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem

http://www.nickeychicago.net/vehicle.php?id=166 $145K WO Auto

http://www.cars-on-line.com/35571.html $70K 4 speed

http://www.cars-on-line.com/35277.html $80K Auto

http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/1967-Hemi-Coronet-RT-Rare_W0QQitemZ140258002909QQihZ004QQcategoryZ6200Q QssPageNameZWDVWQQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem $88K 4 speed

At a glance it looks like a nice car. Not sure about the placement of the 426 emblem on the front fender. And I'm relatively sure it won't get that close to the $96K they have for the buy it now

At a glance it looks like a nice car. Not sure about the placement of the 426 emblem on the front fender. And I'm relatively sure it won't get that close to the $96K they have for the buy it now

Those Hemi emblems caught my eye also. I was pretty sure that those were located on the lower fenders behind the front tires. The Coronet script emblems are also not in the same area as on my 66 Coronet 500.

That 67 WO car is also beautiful, but $145K? DAMN!

Richard

I'm no 66 Coronet expert, so I really had no idea. They just don't look right

That 67 WO car is also beautiful, but $145K? DAMN!

Richard

I just found some spare change in my trust fund, so I'll take 2 :)

At a glance it looks like a nice car. Not sure about the placement of the 426 emblem on the front fender. And I'm relatively sure it won't get that close to the $96K they have for the buy it now



The Hemi emblems varied in location not only from Plymouth and Dodge but also depending on the trim level with the exterior chrome placement.

The locations are:
Upper front of fender
Upper rear of fender
lower rear of fender

I used to be troubled by this, but have studied many old hot rod magazines road tests and dragstrip pictures from the days when these cars were new to finally figure out what the deal was on the emblem placement.

If you look at the links I posted above you will see the first two locations. The third, located at the lower rear fender, I have ever only seen on Plymouths.

I dunno. Guess it kinda corolates to the placement of the HP2 (squared) emblems

It's VERY interesting that they would move those emblems around, as they are stud mounted. Could it have been a difference in where the car was built?

Richard

Very possibly

I just found some spare change in my trust fund, so I'll take 2 :)

Cool Mike, drive one to Phoenix and we will have some fun my friend! :yes:

Richard

But I won't have enough leftover for gas!

But I won't have enough leftover for gas!

Geez Mike, you worry about the SMALLEST things, at 6 gas stations to the mile with that beast, it will be no problem coming from the east coast to the west coast to visit! :rolling:

Richard