NHRA Pro Stock Dodges and phords with shivvy engines?

ykf7b0 · Dec 9, 2017

I have recently read that possible rules changes within NHRA's Pro Stock division could entail the allowance of using shivvy engines in other than shivvy branded cars. This is a possibility because NHRA's Pro Stock popularity has declined dramatically since the mandate of using fuel injection was implemented two years ago. Dodge has struggled with the fuel injection and it appears phord has totally given up. I don't know if this will come to fruition but I feel it will be the final death of NHRA Pro Stock. This would be Dodge and phord throwing in the towel and saying shivvy makes more power and I'm not ever going to say that regarding Dodge and horsepower. We all know phord has always been a little lazy in the horsepower department. I think NHRA should allow Dodge to run a true Hemi and not the canted valve spinoff. What are your thoughts?

Rick62 · Dec 9, 2017

Both NHRA and NASCAR have been preoccupied with rules changes intended to make cars more "equal". During the same time attendance at both NHRA and NASCAR races has seriously declined. I'm no expert but I'm told the NHRA RPM limit rule implemented with electronic fuel injection rule hit Mopars particularly hard. If NHRA wants Mopars to compete why not consider reversing the rules that make them less competitive? After all, doesn't making all the cars equal defeat the purpose of having a race? I think applying the 80's prostock rules to the current Challenger, Camaro, Mustang platforms and engines would make a really interesting and competitive class. It seems to me that would bring "brand" fans back to NHRA. Saving the current prostock class by putting GM engines in everything is a waste of time from a fan point of view. I'm willing to bet fan interest will decline even more. My two-cents.

gkent · Dec 9, 2017

In other words, Pro Stock will be just like FunnyCar where everyone runs a hemi but slaps on the badge and paints on the grill/headlights of whichever brand will give them money.

gkent · Dec 9, 2017

I guess they're just keeping up with the political times making everything "non gender specific". Next ... remove the "men" "women" signs from the toilets !!!

Rick62 · Dec 9, 2017

Hey!! Here's an idea!! Make everyone use Checker Marathon bodies but let them use any motor they choose!!!

Sixpactogo · Dec 9, 2017

They have always sanctioned the Mopars because they want the shivvies to win. Way back in the 60's they were doing it. If a Mopar won, the would make them add weight so the shivvies could compete better. They just come up with different ways to make it happen. Nothing new.
I remember Bill France making the statement on National TV. (I don't care if Ford or Dodge ever wins another race as long as Chevrolet comes out on top."

WileERobby · Dec 9, 2017

I'm so glad I grew up in the heyday of pro stock, funny car, and nascar. They're all meaningless to me now.

lewtot184 · Dec 9, 2017

nhra, nascar, nfl, nba, etc. quit feeding them.

Darter6 · Dec 9, 2017

N.H.R.A. No Hot Rods Allowed.
Sixpactogo hit the nail on the head.You can't teach a old dog new tricks.AKA,once a chevy lover,always a chevy lover.
I'm not sure about this, but don't all Indy Cars now run Honda engines only ?
Where is the competition in everything being the same ?

lewtot184 · Dec 9, 2017

Darter6 said:
N.H.R.A. No Hot Rods Allowed.
Sixpactogo hit the nail on the head.You can't teach a old dog new tricks.AKA,once a chevy lover,always a chevy lover.
I'm not sure about this, but don't all Indy Cars now run Honda engines only ?
Where is the competition in everything being the same ?

all the sanctioning bodies are like welfare whores. their loyalties lie with whoever provides the most goodies.

lewtot184 · Dec 9, 2017

another thing to keep in mind is that about 65% of the people who go to an auto race want a Chevrolet to win.

Budnicks · Dec 9, 2017

Crazy ****, the death spiral going down the shitter, of NHRA
It use to be so much better than where it's heading...
It's all the pro classes,

T/F, hardly fills a field except Winter Nats & Indy

F/C same deal

P/S is just pro-Camaro

P/SM with the lame *** favoritism rules,
is basically given to pro-Harley 60ci's & 50# less & aero advantages

T/F Harley what a fucken' Joke, don't get me started on them...

exception is {so-called Sportsman class ?} Pro-Mod
even Top-sportsman

IMO they'd be great if they'd just
Make a spec class factory "stock" racecars,
like the Drag Pak & Cobras & Copos
sort of like they have now, but a "Pro" {Stock}-Class
replace the P/S with Pro-Mod,
hell they get 24-32 cars in qualifying
almost 2 times what they get in P/S,
they run what you brung, it isn't body or make specific at all...
That'd satify the lame losers in charge & the fans
like them better now anyway...
but;
NHRA doesn't rarely {televise} show them P/M,
only 10-12 event ran too...

Stepping over $$$ to save nickels,
Pro-stock is dead, or on it's last leg & will die faster...

Fucken' stupid, NHRA they don't get it...

ykf7b0 · Dec 10, 2017

I agree with every post. We The Mopar Faithful know we can outrun the competition but we can never outrun the stroke of sanctioning bodies ink pen. History proves it.

Rick62 · Dec 11, 2017

I'm really surprised NHRA hasn't outlawed "hemi" heads in the fuel classes.

Sixpactogo · Dec 11, 2017

Rick62 said:
I'm really surprised NHRA hasn't outlawed "hemi" heads in the fuel classes.

I guess it is because if you look at any of the top fuel racers, they are all running some version of the Hemi.
Believe me, if the Chevies and Fords were not winning, they would have been outlawed long ago.
They may have a Bozo emblem on the car but the distributor is up front on the right.

lewtot184 · Dec 11, 2017

Rick62 said:
I'm really surprised NHRA hasn't outlawed "hemi" heads in the fuel classes.

nhra did outlaw hemi's in comp eliminator in 1971. at the 1970 nationals a mopar powered vehicle won every eliminator class and that's why wally parks started pushing the hemi's out

Darter6 · Dec 11, 2017

Only a HEMI can make 12,000 HORSEPOWER.With a engine design that is over 50 years old(Gen II).No other company has been able to make such HP .Least in my eyes.

lewtot184 · Dec 11, 2017

I love what a hemi does to a big chevy in the fuel classes.

64BEL · Dec 11, 2017

http://www.hotrod.com/articles/thro...peed-legend-ronnie-sox-born-december-17-1938/

Decades later, Wally Parks, founder of the NHRA, apologized to Sox: “Wally Parks came to me in the tower and told me that they had 86’d us with the rules back in the old Pro Stock days, and that he was sorry,” Sox told National Dragster. “He said that he regretted it now and realized they had made a big mistake. I wonder how many races Bob Glidden and Warren Johnson would have won if they had made them add a hundred pounds with each win. Chrysler, and us, did an awful lot for this sport, and their organization. We did not deserve to be treated in that manner.”

ykf7b0 · Dec 11, 2017

lewtot184 said:
I love what a hemi does to a big chevy in the fuel classes.

Me too. A big block shivvy hasn't qualified in Top Fuel since 1975 and a Hemi eliminated it in the first round. How's that for domination? I love it!

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