Problems with oil pan clearance.... I know, I´ve been warned....

[Stagepirat]

Hello.
I´m still changing the engine on my 1973 Dodge Charger.
It came from factory with a 318 and automatic transmission.
I´m trying to put in a 440 engine with a A833 manual transmission.
the problem I have now, is that the oil pan on my 440 is too large to fit in my car.
I attached you some pictures and also some pictures of the engine and the oil pan.
What oil pan would you recommend and what oil pickup tube goes with it?

Thank you all.

Axel

 

[Martin460]

Maybe this helps:
http://www.440source.com/oilpans.htm

My 72RR had 933 oil pan and never had any problems with fitting:

 

[Martin460]

Seems You need 971 oil pan:
http://www.engine-swaps.com/Pages/ProductsType/OilPanSchematics.html#head1

 

[Cncguy1]

And some orange paint.

 

[Bruzilla]

Are you using the Schumacher engine mounts? If so you need a 971. Mine had a 699 oil pan and pick up as the engine was from a C body. The 699 pick up conflicts with the 971 pan, so I deconflicted it by cutting away a part of the top of the pan and changed the angles on the pick up until it fit.

And I painted my engine the same color as yours. Screw orange paint... that's what everyone uses.

 

[Stagepirat]

Ok. Orange Paint isn´t a problem... was on my list anyway.
About the oil pan - the 971 look good. Never heard about it before.... What oil pickup tube belongs to it?
Can I still use the same dipstick?
And do you guys have a recommondation where I could purchase a 971 oil pan?
Here is a picture of the engine mounts I´m trying to use. Not sure, if these are the "Schumacher engine mounts"....

 

[Stagepirat]

Here is a bigger picture with even some english text....

 

[Bruzilla]

Yep... those are the mounts. I bought my 971 pan on ebay. Paid about $90 for it. I sold my 699 pan on there for about the same price, so cost wise I about broke even.

 

[Stagepirat]

Thanks. But I´m not sure if the 971 will really fit. Just by judging the pictures I found, it still seems to be very tight. And the two pans I found on eBay are too expensive to buy them only to cut and reeled them.
I found some informations about the dimensions of the 971 pan, but what I need to know is the following distance:

 

[coloradodave]

Thanks. But I´m not sure if the 971 will really fit. Just by judging the pictures I found, it still seems to be very tight. And the two pans I found on eBay are too expensive to buy them only to cut and reeled them.
I found some informations about the dimensions of the 971 pan, but what I need to know is the following distance:

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Here you go: http://www.engine-swaps.com/Photos4Website/TechInfoPics/Oil_Pan_Schematics/971.jpg

 

[Bruzilla]

Thanks. But I´m not sure if the 971 will really fit. Just by judging the pictures I found, it still seems to be very tight. And the two pans I found on eBay are too expensive to buy them only to cut and reeled them.
I found some informations about the dimensions of the 971 pan, but what I need to know is the following distance:

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Oh, it will be tight. That engine takes up a lot of space, but the 971 will work. I was pretty sure a 699 would work, but the folks at Schumacher insisted it wouldn't and I didn't want to get the ending 3/4 of the way in and have to pull it out.

Also, you should be able to install your passenger side header/exhaust manifold before putting the engine in, but don't put the driver's side or any accessories on. You'll just end up having to take them off (as I learned).

Oh, one other thing. The long bolt on the driver's side motor mount needs to be tightened after you get the engine and trans in, and the trans mounted in using the crossmember. Bolting the trans to the crossmember and the crossmember to the car places the engine at the correct angle and allows you tighten that motor mount bolt properly.

 

[HEMI-ITIS]

I have one of these somewhere in the garage..............You need it?????

 

[Stagepirat]

Thank you. I will try to find a 971 oil pan. But the only one right now on eBay is way to expensive....
What do you guys think of the company Moroso? Never heard about it before. But by the pictures they seem to have unusual shaped pans.
http://www.jegs.com/i/Moroso/710/20760/10002/-1

@HEMI-ITIS: Thank you, but the 187 pan is exactly the one I have on my engine right now...

 

[Kernel Sanders]

yup 73 and up BBody you'll need the 971 pan as the ISO kframe is quite different than the earlier. You could modify your Kframe for additional clearance

Note: oil capacity of the 971 is not the best that's for sure but fine for a daily driver

EDIT: here is a link to the list of oil pans and applications
http://www.rosevillemoparts.com/reference_enginetrans3.php

 

[Bruzilla]

Thank you. I will try to find a 971 oil pan. But the only one right now on eBay is way to expensive....

You just have to be patient. I think I looked every day for almost three weeks and then one popped up at the right price.

 

[coloradodave]

Moroso has been around for decades. Quality manufacturer of street and race parts.

 

[Daves69]

I found some informations about the dimensions of the 971 pan, but what I need to know is the following distance:

From MP...........

 

[coloradodave]

My post #10, last Wednesday had that information...

 

[Stagepirat]

Thank you. That was exactly the size I was missing. It seems it could fit.
@coloradodave:
Thanks for your post. But there was especially one seize I was missing....

 

[Stagepirat]

And there is the next question.... I found two 971 oil pans on eBay. But to me they look different!
Were there different models or did the size/design change during the years? If yes, wich of these is the right one???? Confusing....

http://r.ebay.com/hsEjnh

or

http://r.ebay.com/MtYy5D