t 56 and 6.1

[mdurbahn]

is there a conversion kit to put a viper t-56 into a b-body with new hemi?

thanks!

 

[rolling_Thunder]

conversion kit ? no - there are conversion parts to fit the 6.1 but you'll have to do quite a bit of cutting / weling to fit the T56

 

[mdurbahn]

right, I understand what is all needed for the 6.1 part, now I am just trying to figure out the best transmission option. sounds like probably keisler 5 spd if the viper one doesnt fit well.

 

[rolling_Thunder]

I am running a Tremec TKO - same transmission sold by Keisler....

The T56 is a great trans but quite difficult to fit -

Your automatic options are 727, 727 w/ GV, or a 518 with slight trimming

 

[69 Runner]

sounds like probably keisler 5 spd if the viper one doesnt fit well.

Keisler doesn't make a trans. They just package and resell them

 

[Deleted member 214]

Keisler does a bit more than just packaging. They do machine work on the Tremec trans cases and install some of their own parts like the shift tower get the shifters, transmounts, etc. in the right places for the various Mopars. As far as I know they don't modify the internals at all, though.

 

[69 Runner]

Sooooo...like I said. They package it for use.

Have they got it so the shifters are in the correct place now, no longer making it necessary to hack your floor?

 

[rolling_Thunder]

Sooooo...like I said. They package it for use.

Have they got it so the shifters are in the correct place now, no longer making it necessary to hack your floor?

Nope- in the B-body you still have to cut a hole in the floor- plus the tailshaft is almost always too low for proper pinion angle.

 

[Mopardudetn]

Sooooo...like I said. They package it for use.

Have they got it so the shifters are in the correct place now, no longer making it necessary to hack your floor?

I would not call covering the old hole and making a 3x3 hole center that come right through the console hacking but someone with an axe to grind might.

Nope- in the B-body you still have to cut a hole in the floor- plus the tailshaft is almost always too low for proper pinion angle.

Thats funny Alex, the B Body is one of the most popular kits we sell. Don't know that there are too many out there with driveline angle problems.

 

[Mopardudetn]

T56 to 6.1

The New T56 magnum can be bolted up behind the 6.1. I am sure I can help you make the Viper do this as well. If you are running a console I can get the shifter through the console in the correct location as well. The issue will be crossmember and tunnel mods and torsion bar crossmember. However if you are a little handy or want to install a Alterkation front suspension this will help with the install.

If you have any questions or need any help let me know.

 

[69 Runner]

Sir....I do not have an "ax to grind" as you so eloquently put it. I've never used one of your "kits". I have however seen what is in Greg's car, seen what had to be done to the floor, and drove the car right after the conversion. A small matter I'm sure, but this relocation also required a new set of carpet (non console car) in addition to the "hole relocation" in the sheet metal itself.

As far as I'm concerned, if you have to cut as much of the floor as he did in order to get the shifter to poke through it, then there is a certain amount of "hacking" that has been done. As far as I'm concerned, if someone pays that much for a trans setup (especially one with multiple shifter locations) it should be possible to have the shifter in the proper (read factory) location.

For me, personally, I'd never shell out that kind of cash and then have to hack the floor for an install. IF, however, there was a setup that actually had the shifter where it belonged, then it might be a modification I'd consider.

Truth is, some people have had issues with your product, and to hear them tell it, have had less than pain free customer service when they try to get the issues rectified.

But there are always two sides to every story.

 

[Mopardudetn]

As far as I'm concerned, if someone pays that much for a trans setup (especially one with multiple shifter locations) it should be possible to have the shifter in the proper (read factory) location.


The fact of the matter is the shifter position for the Mopar B body is around 12 inches and some change back and 3 inch to center of hole offset.

The TKO shifter location can be moved to the center to match a console location. The TKO has only two factory locations 19.5 and 16.95 behind the bell.

I assure you that if we could make it work in the factory location like we do for the Ebody then we would, but it isn't as easy as you make it out to be.

The torsion bar crossmember brace would also get in the way even if I made an offset shifter.

 

[69 Runner]

I never said it was or would be easy, so please stop putting words in my mouth.

 

[wirenut]

(edit) rolling Thunder.....I decided you're right

 

[rolling_Thunder]

Hey guys - ummm why dont both of you go away ? Keisler - I've sent so much crap back to you guys that you will not even talk to me on the phone... so much for great customer service...

wirenut - That is a little harsh - and a guy who has one post - I think you just hunt Keisler down and talk trash - neither of you are needed in this thread.

 

[Revhendo]

Wow, where to go here....
Let's start off with....
I have done A LOT of Keisler installs. I have even fixed a few that others had "professionally" done. For the most part, the (what did you call it T? Oh yeah, package), fit exceptionally well. They are a well thought out conversion, and that is the key word. Conversion. This is not a transmission that was built originally with your old iron in mind. You will find that the cars they were made for were also made to accomodate that transmission. Mother Mopar built her cars to accomodate the trannys she was using at the time. Seriously, Mopars have some of the biggest fricken shifter humps I have ever seen. How much "Hacking" do you have to do when you convert a Mopar to a 4 speed? If you want to "modify" your car with the intention of "putting it back to stock" so you can sell it for Barrett money, I suggest you stick to valve covers and a shiney air cleaner. If you want to do a conversion that will make your car way more enjoyable to drive, consider giving Keisler a call.
Any conversion has the potential for problems, whether it is installation, parts OR the technician. It's part of the hobby, it happens. Nobody is perfect. (Hey T, how many wives do you have?) I have had bad customer service, and I am sure that I have given bad customer service. We're human, we all have our days. I will say that I have dealt with Keisler for years and have never had a problem with them in relation to customer service. I have spent a considerable amount of time with Shafi Keisler and can tell you that he takes all of this very seriously. This guy is not only building stuff for your car, he is EXCITED about it and your cars. If you have had a bad experience with them, I don't know what to tell you. Could be you caught the rep on a bad day, could be you were having a bad day. I am just putting it out there.

That being said,
I've done both the 5spd and the 6spd conversions. Both are killer sticks. The 6spd will take a lot more work because it is a physically bigger trans. You just have to asses your needs in a transmission and your ability to do the required work.

 

[wirenut]

RT you could'nt be more right. If anyone would like to hear about my one experience with the Keisler co. and their great auto od "kit" lol PM me.

 

[Donny]

Interesting idea! Steve over at paintshop101 here in San Antonio is deep into putting a V-10 Viper engine into a 69 Super Bee, to be called Viper Bee! The frame rails have been extended 4" off the center crossmember. The crossmember has been hacked in two, but remains attached. The center floor member has been cut out completely to allow the tranny to go in. The firewall has been moved also, can't recall if it was moved aft, or forward? He has a new K member in it, and the engine is mounted where it needs to be, no to build the car around it. Also, it will have at least one turbo, I think two?

 

[Deleted member 214]

I'm the Greg that 69 Runner referred to. I had the FIRST non-console B-body kit Keisler ever sold back in, what, 2001? I kept the square of hump metal I cut out so I could weld it back in if I ever wanted to go back to stock. I had never worked on a clutch or manual transmission before in my life, but dropped the tranny on a Friday night and with the help of one friend had it going thru the gears on Saturday night, and drove from Texas to the Mopar Nats the following week. Easy to install, never had a problem with the transmission. Customer service has been great the few times I needed to use it, getting a new speedo cable and replacing parts I lost when installing the hydraulic clutch a few years later. Yeah, I wish I had an E-body and didn't have to make any cuts, but I don't and have no regrets making some minor mods to my B-body in order to get a modern transmission.

 

[Revhendo]

RT you could'nt be more right. If anyone would like to hear about my one experience with the Keisler co. and their great auto od "kit" lol PM me.

I would be very interested in hearing your experience. I am on my second auto kit.