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Anyone know how many muscle cars are leaving the country?

jeryst

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When I was walking around the Car Corral at Carlisle, I noticed a guy with a clipboard, writing down information about a Charger. He then moved on to another vehicle and began taking the information for that vehicle as well.

Curious, I struck up a conversation with him because at first, I thought that he was some type of judge, or that maybe he was looking for stolen vehicles or something like that. He told me that he buys cars for overseas clients and exports them. During our conversation, he told me that business is booming and that he has exported more than 1000 vehicles in the last five years. He said the the vehicles of choice are B-Body Mopars (Chargers being #1), and 63-67 Corvettes. Also, any high dollar/rare muscle cars. He told me that he has people daily searching internet sites, car shows, local publications, want ads, etc, looking for cars. He even asked me if I would be interested in giving him information about any cars I know about personally, in exchange for a finders fee.

This got me to thinking. How many others are around, like him? If there are 10, that means that 10,000 similar vehicles have left the country, never to return, in that time frame. If there are 100 others, then that means 100,000 muscle cars have left the country. How many of his kind are actually out there? How many owners have privately sold their vehicles to foreign buyers? How many foreign buyers have actually traveled here and purchased a car on their own? And how many vehicles have actually left the country?

I'm not bringing this up to offend anyone, especially our foreign enthusiasts, because I am sure the cars go to good homes, and lead a pampered existence. And I can't say anything bad about anyone that shares my enthusiasm for muscle cars, especially B-Bodies. I'm looking at it more as a matter of a national treasure that is flowing out of our country, that will no longer be available for us, our children, and grandchildren to enjoy, and I was wondering if anyone has access to any type of relevant statistics?

Personally, I've noticed that B-Body Mopars are starting to get harder and harder to find, along with many other muscle cars. I would have thought it would be the opposite since over the last ten or twenty years, a huge number of them have been pulled out of junkyards, barns, garages, carports, or other hiding places, and restored. Years ago, they were all over the place, but now, not so much. In my opinion, that can mean one of three things: 1. People are holding onto their vehicles and not selling them, 2. Vehicles are disappearing into an increasing number of private collections. 3. The vehicles are leaving the country.

Am I paranoid, or is this really happening?

I'd be interested in any comments, discussions, etc, and once again, I am not trying to offend anyone.
 
You could always start a crusade to buy them back for the good ole US of A.

I have an awesome GTX that is wanting to go home someday. :D
 
I personally believe just as many cars (probably more) have been crushed for scrap. I know of older salvage yards that have been bought up as a whole by investors. Then they simply roll in multiple crushers and proceed to 'clean out the property' until everything is gone. For them it's all about the money, not preserving pieces of Americana. It's sad...
 
You blokes would hit the panic button if you knew how much is pouring into Australia! There have been 1000+ annually for the last many years, mostly Mustangs and Chevs but lots and lots of Mopar action also.
At a guess, there'd be 50-100 Superbees....maybe more and about 6-8 A12's amongst them. Twice that again and probably more in second generation Chargers.

US muscle now has a very high attendance rate at Aussie car shows.

But you should see it as a good thing, all that money coming in is foreign, no American has to scrimp and save and cut down on his expenditure because of it, it's all profit and goes to every American in some way or another.
 
I don't really see any problem with them leaving the country. There's still plenty for anyone who wants one and for me, Mopar brotherhood knows no borders. Look at our membership .. we all have a love of Mopars in common
 
Dollar is cheap for us right now and when thats change to the opposite we have folks from USA coming over here and buys up a hole lot of cars now restored and bring them back to USA, a bunch of those Hemi cars that was sold to Sweden in the mid seventies are already back, the one Hemi Challenger Convertible Plum Crazy is not here anymore.
 
I do feel some what concerned but I do understand it. It just confirms what we on this forum already know. The US built the coolest cars in the world and if I lived in another country I would be trying to get one to. There are still lots of project cars laying around in the US.
 
Having spent some time in Sweden recently, I can tell you that those people love our cars and they build and drive and enjoy them. What bothers me is seeing some of the hoarders here in our country let them rot into the ground, dying a slow painful death so no one could ever use them. Just my two cents.....
 
IMHFO It's MUCH Better than, being crushed or rotting away in some back wood wrecking yard, with trees growing up thru them or someone's back 40... as long as they go to a good home...LOL..
 
Something else worth noting....when the cars are exported to foreign lands, the cars are treated with a lot more respect than if it were just another junker on the lot. The guys here who import "exotics" and classics treat them with a lot of care, and the restoration process is very thorough. No big bondo-jobs out this way. You can be sure when buying them back one day that they are solid steel and very well maintained vehicles. If everyone did restorations the way that the likes of Overhaulin' carries on, the muscle car industry would eventually die due to mis-trust of people repairing the cars.
 
My two cents worth is, we have been exporting cars from the very beginning. From the very start of manufacturing right up until today we ship our brands worldwide. Just driving around in my general area I have to say we must import a lot more junk than we are exporting. It appears to me that a majority of the people prefer a foreign car. So when our domestic brands leave North America they become foreign cars to their new owners.

Next thing that puzzles me is the improper use of the term "muscle car", that term is an industry standard and a car must meet a certain criteria to achieve this term. In other words if your car was a slant six and now a 440 it would be known by many other names. Clone, Tribute, Hot Rod, race car, Street Machine, Rat Rod or many other names that would apply to your ride. All of the names I have mentioned here are cool in their own special ways. I like them all.

I personally am proud that folks in other countries find our cars to be of good value and fun to own and operate.

Well I reckon I have over stepped two cents worth a little bit and I haven't even mentioned the hoarder comments yet. I think I might start a post about that pretty soon. Some of us that own more cars than some others do not like being branded by that term.
 
My two cents worth is, we have been exporting cars from the very beginning. From the very start of manufacturing right up until today we ship our brands worldwide. Just driving around in my general area I have to say we must import a lot more junk than we are exporting. It appears to me that a majority of the people prefer a foreign car. So when our domestic brands leave North America they become foreign cars to their new owners.

Next thing that puzzles me is the improper use of the term "muscle car", that term is an industry standard and a car must meet a certain criteria to achieve this term. In other words if your car was a slant six and now a 440 it would be known by many other names. Clone, Tribute, Hot Rod, race car, Street Machine, Rat Rod or many other names that would apply to your ride. All of the names I have mentioned here are cool in their own special ways. I like them all.

I personally am proud that folks in other countries find our cars to be of good value and fun to own and operate.

Well I reckon I have over stepped two cents worth a little bit and I haven't even mentioned the hoarder comments yet. I think I might start a post about that pretty soon. Some of us that own more cars than some others do not like being branded by that term.

Hey trimmer I assume you might be talking about me since I used the term "hoarder". Let me say that I never used the term to offend anyone. I am a firm believer in a person having the right to do whatever they wish with their car. Ship it overseas, restore it, hot rod it, pro street it, heck set it on fire if you want. It's YOUR car. Nothing irritates me more than those guys who feel the need to bash another guys car because he did it differently that someone else. To each his own. I am a guy who enjoys my cars by driving them. That's me. I know other people enjoy "collecting" them. That's them. Just because some guys enjoy their cars in different ways, doesn't mean one way is any better than the other. That being said, I don't understand those who let the car erode into the earth, but again, who am I to judge.(and of course, I don't know you or your cars, so I am not saying that's what you're doing). Anyhow, just wanted to clarify and didn't mean to ruffle any feathers. Carry on my Mopar brothers!:headbang:
 
i can almost guarantee you will not see an american made mopar rotting here in australia. so you could almost say we are saving them.
 
I don't have a problem with exporting collector vehicles to other countries (or any American made car for that matter). After spending thousands of dollars for shipping, the new owner is very unlikely to part out, junk, or ignore the car to death. I'm happy that people in other countries find our cars so desirable that they are willing to pay a premium to own one.
 
Hey Hosehead...I am not offended by you. I pretty much think as you do to each his own.

I always hear people complain about wrecking yards not selling their goods or people that have an unusual amount of cars that they won't part with. I have lived at my current address for over thirty years. During that time I have had countless people come to my place and kick my tires. It always amazes me how many bargain hunters there are. I think most of those folks think if I don't sell them one of my cars then I will surely starve to death. They are sadly mistaken.

I think when you pass by one of those places that have available cars then a person should go knock on that persons door and in a friendly manner ask that person what it would take to buy one. Most of the people that came through here buying up all the collectable cars got them at bargain prices. So when I get insulted by a tire kicker and refuse to accept chump change for one of my rides then i am branded a hoarder.
I say money talks when it comes to old cars. If I am trying to sell something and a person asks me what I'll take for it if I pull the engine or remove the wheels and tires it just shows me that person is wasting my time.

On behalf of all the wrecking yards and crushers, A lot of states will not allow the sale of a complete car that can be rebuilt. Some cars are sold to them as parts only and all they can sell is parts. In order to have parts for our great cars some of them must be junked. I have been around long enough to see large trees grow through many wrecked and destroyed cars all over the USA. When that happens the remaining ones become just a little more valuable. Those wrecking yards are actually doing us a greater service than one might imagine.

Sorry for the rant , but now I won't have to start a hoarder thread. LOL
 
As far as the seeing less and less affordable Mopars is something I have noticed. Not that long ago (last 10 years) it seemed that you could walk down the street and find lots of cheap Darts, Polaras and even early Barracudas for reasonable $. Now since these shows that show "how easy it is to flip a car" prices (and some of the people) have gone nuts thinking that their old rusted out 4 door or their 2 door Pinto that is crushed like a grape is worth as much as a restored car. It's not the export causing a lack of these cars but the flippers and their shows creating a "false" reality of big, easy money. I say bravo to our automotive brothers in other countries for keeping these cars alive and enjoying them

Thomas
 
I know a lot are coming up here to the Great White North. When I had my GTX shipped up from Atlanta, I asked the truck driver how business was in this economy. He said that he used to take a shipment of cars (all kinds) from Canada to the US and then bring a load of cars up from the US. He says that now he goes down empty and brings back only muscle cars. But don't worry guys, we'll take good care of them. :toothy9:
 
I hope thy go to a good home, people are willing to pay big bucks for our old cars.


They are buyers with cash!


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