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Timing fluctuates with vacuum advance connected

So what's your initial at with and without the advance hooked up?
I have tried between 16 and 18 initial no advanced . I think it is around 25 with advance but would have to verify that.

Another question. Will the advance curve change going from manifold to ported. I know the idle part would but what about after that? It should stay the same at cruise?
 
Boy, does Professor Ehrenberg hit it out of the park in that article....but then, he always does.
ROB - READ THAT ARTICLE.
Ehrenberg describes your situation to a "T"!
 
I have tried between 16 and 18 initial no advanced . I think it is around 25 with advance but would have to verify that.

Another question. Will the advance curve change going from manifold to ported. I know the idle part would but what about after that? It should stay the same at cruise?
Yes please verify, 25 at idle is high! The again my 340 likes 22 degrees initial!....18 sounds about close to where it should be.
So you need to drive with a vacuum gauge on the ported source on the carb and see what it does when driving....adjust your canister to that. I believe I have mine to start coming In at 8-10" vacuum....i could be wrong, it's been a while!!
use a hand held pump to test the can, mark down how many inches it takes to start the movement and how many inches when it stops moving.
 
Do you have a link to the article. You definitely peaked my interest.
 
As far as cruise goes should be in the 48 degrees area, all depends on your total and how much the can applies..
 
Yes please verify, 25 at idle is high! The again my 340 likes 22 degrees initial!....18 sounds about close to where it should be.
So you need to drive with a vacuum gauge on the ported source on the carb and see what it does when driving....adjust your canister to that. I believe I have mine to start coming In at 8-10" vacuum....i could be wrong, it's been a while!!
use a hand held pump to test the can, mark down how many inches it takes to start the movement and how many inches when it stops moving.
 
Ok thank you
 
Right now the focus is on the distributor since he's working on the timing with manifold vac.
When he runs it with the can unhooked the timing settles down.
Now let's forget about the distributor and can for a second.
Put a vacuum gauge on the engine and check it for fluctuation .
Might be fishing the wrong spot.
 
Right now the focus is on the distributor since he's working on the timing with manifold vac.
When he runs it with the can unhooked the timing settles down.
Now let's forget about the distributor and can for a second.
Put a vacuum gauge on the engine and check it for fluctuation .
Might be fishing the wrong spot.

Correct

Depending on Camshaft duration / lift and Carb idle settings

Vacuum Fluctuation at idle when distributor is attached to full vacuum

Camshaft has a lot to do with this

Bottom line
Vacuum reading at engine idle - Intake full vacuum

Vacuum reading that it needs to engage your distributor vacuum canister to start movement

Then we can go from there
 
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Am I reading correctly that someone has postulated that erratic timing at idle (vacuum advance
out of the equation/disconnected) can be the direct result of simply a lumpy cam?
I got to ponder some on that one...
 
Correct

Depending on Camshaft duration / lift and Carb idle settings / initial timing

Vacuum Fluctuation at idle when attached to full vacuum versus ported

Camshaft has a lot to do with this

Bottom line
Vacuum reading at engine idle - Intake full vacuum

Vacuum reading that it needs to engage your distributor vacuum canister to start movement

Then we can go from there
My mighty vac hand pump seems to of disappeared so I will have to buy or borrow one to check the vacuum can.
 
In order to prevent the fluctuations in idle when connecting the vacuum advance, you either need to use ported, or, if using manifold vacuum, it needs to be FULLY engaged when idling. You can adjust the canister to where it will be fully engaged when at idle. My canister operates in a 5 inch range, from 12"-17" with 18" of manifold vacuum, therefore, at idle, it is fully engaged.

Also, the debate about ported vs manifold, it really just depends where it idles best at. Typically, you want the carb to have the correct amount of the transfer slot showing to improve off-idle driveability. For most street engines, manifold vacuum raises the idle speed too high, so you close the throttle plates and thus cover the transfer slots. With it connected to ported, the idle speed may be more ideal with the correct amount of slots exposed. An exception is when the engine's cam is very lopey causing idle speed to be too low, thus you have to open the throttle more, exposing too much transfer slot. This is when you would use manifold vacuum.
 
In order to prevent the fluctuations in idle when connecting the vacuum advance, you either need to use ported, or, if using manifold vacuum, it needs to be FULLY engaged when idling. You can adjust the canister to where it will be fully engaged when at idle. My canister operates in a 5 inch range, from 12"-17" with 18" of manifold vacuum, therefore, at idle, it is fully engaged.

Also, the debate about ported vs manifold, it really just depends where it idles best at. Typically, you want the carb to have the correct amount of the transfer slot showing to improve off-idle driveability. For most street engines, manifold vacuum raises the idle speed too high, so you close the throttle plates and thus cover the transfer slots. With it connected to ported, the idle speed may be more ideal with the correct amount of slots exposed. An exception is when the engine's cam is very lopey causing idle speed to be too low, thus you have to open the throttle more, exposing too much transfer slot. This is when you would use manifold vacuum.
Thank you,well written
 
I will add this:

If the engine is no longer stock, an adj vac adv unit should be used. The Allen Key adjustment is used to ensure that the timing is steady at idle [ in gear if auto ].
The engine may not need the total amount of vac adv that can be applied. A stop needs to be fabricated to limit travel of the vac adv plunger. All part of the tuning process.....
 
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