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Ok, going to try and reseal both the front and back glass in my 68 coronet. Any advise you can throw at me is welcome !!! Front gasket is on order from classic, rear glass is sealed with butyl rope I assume. Question is, what size round butyl will work or would urethane in a caulk tube be better ? Was thinking of using butyl then seal the gap with urethane once the glass is in ? I have some friends that have done front glass installs before so hopefully that one is simple. Can I also get butyl in a caulk tube ? Those with experience please chime in !! Thanks ..
 
From everthing I've seen you should not use butyl for any glass installs ,both front and rear glass will not stay in place if you have an accident . Installs are done with some kind of epoxy that's why it's so hard to remove the glass. If you're just sealing after the glass has been installed then I'd think 1/2 butyl rope would be fine.
 
Yes the butyl does not harden, but seamed to seal good. So maybe I should get a few tubes of the urethane and say a prayer ! Thanks for the link, I think I got the front covered. Its the back that troubles me.
 
The older cars like ours were made for liquid butyl or the rope butyl for rear windows. The stainless trim helps hold the windows in place however, the windshield is predominantly held in by the rubber gasket. The liquid butyl seals up the lower channel of the body to the gasket. The windshield person who installed my windshield in my charger used the urethane sealer and it only caused it to leak more and ruin the gasket. I had to get a new gasket and ended up installing it myself using the liquid butyl like the factory service manual said. So far, no leaks in the past 2 years.
 
Reseal the rear glass

65-440 , As long as your pinch weld, around the window, is cleaned and black pinch weld primer is applied to the whole surface, your 5/16 butyl tape will stick to it like "**** to a blanket". Clean the under side of the glass & just before you apply the butyl tape to it, put a 1/2 inch wide band ,of pinch weld primmer ,all the way round & let it dry a minute or two. Make sure when lowering your glass into the opening , that`s it`s exactly where you want it, in the opening because ,Once your butyl tape touches this prepped surface, it forms an instant bond & seal.
 

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Great info guys, thanks ! So I'm assuming when you say "butyl tape" you are referring to the 5/16 thick flat butyl not the round "butyl rope" correct ? Did you put any liquid butyl around the back glass after it was set in for an extra seal ?
 
I, personally, haven't removed and reset any rear glass. The only fixed rear glass that I have access to is my 69 Charger. The other two Mopars in our barn are my Dad's 69 GTX vert and my moms 70 Chally vert.
 
Ok, going to try and reseal both the front and back glass in my 68 coronet. Any advise you can throw at me is welcome !!! Front gasket is on order from classic, rear glass is sealed with butyl rope I assume. Question is, what size round butyl will work or would urethane in a caulk tube be better ? Was thinking of using butyl then seal the gap with urethane once the glass is in ? I have some friends that have done front glass installs before so hopefully that one is simple. Can I also get butyl in a caulk tube ? Those with experience please chime in !! Thanks ..

there are several ways to seal a windshield or back glass with good results.
When sealing glass cleanliness is very important.
I use a single edge razor blade to clean the sealing area of the glass along with glass cleaner. sometimes OOO steel wool helps along with windex. I also wear a good quality mechanics or painter gloves to keep any body oils from transferring to the glass and pinch-weld.
Front glass after removing the glass from the auto inspect the pinch weld carefully for any voids and rust and fix if needed.
Prime with a good quality automotive primer and paint for the best results. now is a good time to carefully inspect the revel molding clips and replace any in doubt then test fit the revel moldings to make sure everything will fit. You don't want to discover a problem after the glass is install or you will be removing the windshield again.
If you got the windshield out of the auto with the existing rubber seal without busting the windshield good for you. I usually cut the rubber from the glass assuming the glass is going to be reused. unless the windshield gasket is new or close to new get a new one. A new soft pliable seal is most important to have success when sealing the rubber to the glass.
if the seal is new it is a good idea to wash it to get all of the release agent or what ever slime may be on the seal.
If reusing the old seal it to must be cleaned very well with what ever it takes to get any old sealer off it.
If using a new seal I like to fit it to the windshield while out of the car with the glass on a windshield stand. This should all be done in a warm shop so the rubber and glass will be more flexible.
If using an old rubber seal inspect the groove where the glass fits very carefully for any chips of glass, rocks or anything.
I use a windshield bone for this but a screw driver could work.
Once you are happy with the fit of the seal to the glass put the seal on the prepped pinch weld and fit it up.
Now is decision time. You can use the original bedding and glazing compound or urethane sealer I have used but with success but prefer using urethane {I use the primer-less type}once you start with the urethane you need to be prepared to finish the job in on session. cut the tip of the urethane tube small and warm the tube of urethane up before starting. apply sparingly along the bottom where the seal lays in the body then as I install the seal to the pinch weld install a small bead in the groove of the seal to the body, just enough to make a seal. once the seal is set in the body I lay a small bead of urethane in the bottom of the seal where the glass will sit and up the sides an inch or 2. sparingly is the key here use just enough or you will have a mess to clean up. I am amusing we are working with a lock type seal to with the seal open using your windshield bones carefully lip the seal around the glass until is is seated. Then finish the sealing with a "small" amount of urethane between the seal and glass. when the rubber is locked i like to see just a small amount ooze from between the glass and seal. Now we know the glass is glued to the seal and the seal is glued to the body. you can either clean the excess urethane up now or wait until it dries and scrape it off with a razor being careful not to cut the seal.
you can now water test the windshield for leaks before installing the revel molding. A little water {and heat} will help the urethane set up just don't blast the water full force and blow the seal.
I like to water test as soon as possible in case I need to sneak some more sealer between the glass or body. Once you are happy and have no leaks is when I would use the bedding and glazing compound and fill the lower gap between the rubber and body so water and debris won't gather in that area. I have done the entire job with just using the glazing and bedding compound but found the stuff will weep from between the glass and seal when the car gets hot setting out in the sun.

The back glass use a 5/16 butyl tape same prep as the windshield.
look closely at the pinch weld to make sure it is not bent up or down it needs to be the same shape as the glass. if in doubt mask the edge of the glass and with some help set it in the opening and take a close look from inside for fit.
prime with the pinch weld primer for butyl as it is is liquified butyl from what I was told from our glass rep.
I prefer to lay the tape to the body rather than the glass. it is to easy to catch a revel clip and screw up the seal if it is on the glass. leave the paper on the tape and don't touch the seal with your fingers. use a piece of the paper between, again need a warm shop for a good seal. I have even used a heat gun around the tape before setting the glass if it is not very warm.
you then carefully push the glass down and should be able to see the glass seal to the butyl.
go slow and evenly around the glass several time until sealed.
everything needs to be real clean for a good seal. back fill the big gaps with more bedding and glazing compound as you did on the windshield.
hope this helps

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Great info guys, thanks ! So I'm assuming when you say "butyl tape" you are referring to the 5/16 thick flat butyl not the round "butyl rope" correct ? Did you put any liquid butyl around the back glass after it was set in for an extra seal ?

this is what we use
 
Had mine done this summer, the installer urethaned the rear in with no problem (he used a primer). The windshield on the other hand was a mess, it leaked even after 2 visits. I blame it on a thinner than original windshield but in the end I ended up going around the whole channel with liquid butyl (with the gasket opened up) before it was fixed. I personally think butyl is the way to go if you have any issues with the gasket leaking because you don't want your glass or gasket glued permanently in place. Hopefully your glass is the proper thickness and you don't have these headaches.
 
all good info, don't think I will be using any urethane in my car ! It might be the thing for newer cars, but I'll stick to what works for these dinosaurs. Now gotta find a local supply of butyl tape and liquid butyl ..
 
3M made the liquid butyl as well as the butyl tape. The tube I have is currently at Dad's house as I had to pull the windshield on his GTX vert since it was leaking and the dash had some surface rust starting from the leak.
 
The main reason I use urethane is ease of getting it and it works this is for the windshield.
think about it for a minute the old glaze and bed material worked for a few years but does turn hard, cracks and leaks.
main reason so many floor pans are rusted to dust.
Urethane won't do that, it is a great sealer and adhesive. the only draw back I can see is if a person needs to replace the windshield and it is "glued in correctly" a person will have to cut the gasket and sealer out destroying the gasket. no big deal IMO. insurance will usually pay for the new gasket if not 80.00 is not that much considering the job it does.
as for a safety factor I would much prefer the glass urethaned in, in case of an accident it adds to the structural integrity of the vehicle.
I have found in the past for the rear glass if using the butyl tape there is not much if any room for sealer to be able to back fill between the glass and body so paying close attention to the seal of the butyl to glass is very important..
Using urethane only for the back glass works but you need to be careful and use a dam type tape which is shaped like a triangle flat wide side to the body and the narrow point to the glass, then you back fill the void area with urethane. i don't even know if they even supply that kind of tape now days. if you use just urethane you need to block the glass up some how so the sealer doesn't simple squish out with the weight of the glass ... the glass then sits to far down in the body looks bad and you have sealer everywhere but where you need it.
installing and sealing old rubber set glass is a lost art and the materials are getting harder to find.
good luck.
 
I thought about using the urethane on the front but heard it sets pretty fast. Will I have time to lay the glass in the gasket and lay a bead in bt the glass and seal before it sets? Then have to zipper the seal
 
I wouldn't use it for the windshield, the rear yes but the front will be fine with just liquid butyl (caulking tube). The front only needs a little extra help sealing not being held in. I found it best to put a bead all the way across the front before putting the gasket in then after the windshield is installed and before the seal is zipped up put a bead in the channel. Just my 2 cents
 
I thought about using the urethane on the front but heard it sets pretty fast. Will I have time to lay the glass in the gasket and lay a bead in bt the glass and seal before it sets? Then have to zipper the seal

when dealing with any material that has an open window or work time read the info on the product. With urethane heat and moisture both effect dry time. Just be ready to do the complete window set in one session and you should be fine.
in regards to using urethane or any other sealer we {at the body shop} always error on safety we don't want to be sued for a windshield coming out or being pushed into your face or your passenger from hitting a deer or other object.. Believe it happens.
We were trained back in the 80's when the transition from rubber set, buytl set and urethane set glass was all happening.
What a learning curve especially when the manufactures didn't really have a good plan. Things were always improving or at least trying to improve. basically the difference between using urethane {500 to 600 psi strength} you are depending on a chemical bond, with a simple sealer gravity and some clips are all that is holding the glass in.
do a test pay attention when taking out your old glass an see how well it is stuck in the body and the seal to the glass. get a tube of urethane and then glue your old seal to a scrap piece of glass and see how strong the bond it. Then decide on which you want in front of your face. Do I sound paranoid you bet after 30 years of repairing collision you get that way. do I want to cause someone to get major hurt when I could have prevented it? No.

TECHNICAL DATA:
Base Polymer: Polyu
rethane
Appearance:
Black color
% Solids 100% Solids
V.O.C. Content: .95 #/gal (185 g/l)
Shelf life: 1
year
Tensile strength: >600 psi
Lap shear strength: >500 psi
Cure through time: 24 - 36 hours @ 70°F and 65% relative humidity
Tack free time: 40 minutes @ 70°F and 50% relative humidity
Hardness:
Shore A 50 - 55
Application Temperature:
For best results 40°F - 110°F
Packaging: 11
oz. fiber cartridge
Elongation at Break:
300% at 72°F

good luck.
I will be installing a new windshield seal in my 66 coronet as soon as UPS get the parts to me. Arg so far 2 days delay due to bad roads.
 
Just remember that to get the glass evenly positioned top to bottom to use the spacers. The factory manual recommends rubber blocks to keep the glass from sliding down before the adhesive sets. Of course the usual 'do not slam doors for an hour' applies, to avoid pressure that could pop out the glass.
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I think I will go with the urethane. My windshields came out way to easily. I used a razor knife to cut the outside of the gaskets away from the windshield at the edge all the way down to the pinch weld next to the glass edge. Then went inside and sliced the gasket apart and pulled one end with a pair of pliers until I could get ahold of it and then just peeled it out of the channel like peeling a banana. Too easy and left the glass sitting high and dry to pluck out.
 
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