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Current Prices on '66 Satellites

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1966 Mopar

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I am in the market and have been using the "Collector Car Market Review" as my guide but I'm consistently seeing listings for '66 Satellites which I would call #3-#2 condition in the 25-35k range when my guide says they're good for 12.5- 18k. Do Satellites owners think they have the desirability of a GTX? A case in point:

http://www.ebay.com/itm/191526227826?_trksid=p2060778.m1438.l2649&ssPageName=STRK:MEBIDX:IT

This "survivor" '66 361 Satellite failed to make reserve at 19.5k and is now relisted. It is apparently a nearly original condition, 63k miles with a rebuilt motor, quicky, exterior paint job and a mechanical refreshing - a #3 in my book which, according to CCM should fetch about 15k. I mean, it's just a 361! There are several other similar cars on Craigs and Ebay recently all following this 25k price point. Is 50-60% over CCM what I should expect to pay these days? I can see paying 25-30k if it was a frame off rest-o, but jeesh!

Brian
 
First thing I see on the car on ebay is that it is missing the moldings over the rear wheel wells. That tells me there has been work done there and they don't fit very well. My suggestion to you is to find one that is complete and rust free, meaning never has had any rust repair to the quarter panels. There is a really clean looking 66 convertable listed here in the for sale section.

As prices go, I bought a really clean 67 satellite driver 2 summers ago that was originally from california and I paid $12,500 for it, but it is a really nice car with 75 % original paint. I also bought a 67 belvedere from California last summer that I paid $5750 for. It is all original paint needing restored, but absolutely rust free too.
 
Wow they went all out on those photos. Better than a magazine spread; talk about car ****.

Maybe they're trying to recoup their losses they paid to the photographer.
 
Until I joined this site I had no idea of the extensive popularity of the 1966/67 Satellite / Belvedere. I bought mine in Spring 2013 & hadn't been looking for a '66 at all, but it had the features I wanted, '70's drag car technology (springs moved, narrow Dana, frames tied, roll bar, big fairly fancy motor, headers) but streetable. I got mine much below the asking price and I think both the seller & I got a good deal. Now that I'm on this site I have seen so many of these really impressive cars. Go '66-'67 b bodies!
 
If you do your homework, you can find a damn nice car for 12-15K....or a super solid builder for under 3K.
 
I own a '66 myself that I pulled out of the desert in Nevada minus engine and trans. An original 318 car it now sports a 69 383 HP BB. I have painstakingly brought it back to what you see in the attached pic. I have way more money into it than what I purchased it for and it still isn't complete. The rolling body was 3200.00 and I have a value of 15K set for it now in its not quite completion. For the eBay offering that beginning price would be my top price and most likely my reserve. So maybe 13.5K - 15K would be a more realistic price for that one. The flaws include the rear trunk panel is painted incorrectly and there are a few discrepancies with the interior...seat belts is one. I do like the wheels and tires as it has a very good stance to it. The fact that it is being offered as an original barn find carries some weighted value, but the first thing I would do if I were to purchase it would be to dump the single pot master cylinder and upgrade to a dual Disc brake master and system. That is just me though. Finally I didn't see the wheel lip molding being missing. I think the reflection in the shoot has blinded them out in the rear but the fronts were clearly there. Keep looking and they are out there and can be had in various stages for some really good prices...cr8crshr/Tuck:blob1::blob1::blob1:

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1966 Mopar said:
I am in the market and have been using the "Collector Car Market Review" as my guide but I'm consistently seeing listings for '66 Satellites which I would call #3-#2 condition in the 25-35k range when my guide says they're good for 12.5- 18k. Do Satellites owners think they have the desirability of a GTX? A case in point:

http://www.ebay.com/itm/191526227826?_trksid=p2060778.m1438.l2649&ssPageName=STRK:MEBIDX:IT

This "survivor" '66 361 Satellite failed to make reserve at 19.5k and is now relisted. It is apparently a nearly original condition, 63k miles with a rebuilt motor, quicky, exterior paint job and a mechanical refreshing - a #3 in my book which, according to CCM should fetch about 15k. I mean, it's just a 361! There are several other similar cars on Craigs and Ebay recently all following this 25k price point. Is 50-60% over CCM what I should expect to pay these days? I can see paying 25-30k if it was a frame off rest-o, but jeesh!

Brian
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"Just a 361", eh? My 361 with a 4-bbl ('66 Coronet 500 w/auto & 3.23 gears) ran a 13.96@112 mph several years ago at Ark City, KS...all a 361 is, is a 383 with smaller bores. Otherwise, same same.

No such thing as a "frame-off" resto on a unibody car, but we know what you meant.

I wouldn't call this one a "survivor"; not with new paint, hoses, wheels, tires, incorrect dual exhaust, and more. I'd call it a well-cared-for, mostly-original car.
If I were to sell my '66 Coronet 500, I'd have to have $20K for it, period. Is it worth that? If someone wanted it, it would take that to buy the car (second owner, owned for 35 years). Is your car in question over-priced? Probably not, as it IS a big-block car, with air conditioning, and presumably an Oregon car from the description. And since you ask about a GTX, that's fairly irrelevant, since there was no GTX in 1966. The styling cues for the '66 and '67 cars are different, in any case. A guy who wants a '66 is going to look for a '66.

Like anything, it's worth what the buyer and seller agree to.
 
13.96@112! 60ft must have been 4.5 or more! Just kidding. 112mph in the 1/4 with a 361 in a B body is pretty darn good.
 
Breaking into the 13s with what is a bone-stock '66 361 with a Mopar DC 284/484 cam, stock '68 383 intake, Carter AVS and stock converter is pretty damn good, if ya ask me!
 
OK, everyone seemed to miss my point. I'm simply trying to find out if the values shown on the Collector Car Market Review site are accurate. I was told the CCM was THE place to go to find realistic car values but they don't seem to jive with what I'm seeing in the real world. Do I ditch them and fall prey to advertised prices?

@Patrick66,
I have absolutely no issue with the 361 (I'd be happy as a hooker on Fleet Day to find a Satellite with a 361 or 383), but according to CCM, a 361 only bumps up the value 5% over a 273 or 318 car. The 383 bumps it up to 25% more. It just seems that everyone is trying to sell their car like it is an original, numbers matching, low miles, high optioned, top shelf, low production number, #2 condition car. I'd just like to have some accurate values from a respected source to use in my negotiating.

Brian
 
1. Books don't buy cars, what you are seeing is an "average" of what known cars have sold for.
2. "Asking" price and "selling" price are often very different. When a car is exposed to a larger audience, the "asking" price is often higher.
3. A wise man once told me " a car is worth what a man with cash in hand is offering, if you accept it!" Make what you feel is a fair and reasonable offer, if it is accepted and you are happy, then it was a good deal.

Norman
 
-This is a nice car 1964 : http://www.forbbodiesonly.com/moparforum/showthread.php?80224-1964-Plymouth-Belvedere
$10,500

-Here is a 67 belvedere I: http://www.forbbodiesonly.com/moparforum/showthread.php?85827-67-Satellite
$12,000

-A 67 "Street Brawler" for http://www.forbbodiesonly.com/moparforum/showthread.php?81894-67-Belvedere-I-Street-Brawler-for-sale
$7,500 (negotiable)


-You missed this one, ALL Done! Beautiful: http://www.forbbodiesonly.com/moparforum/showthread.php?50306-1967-Plymouth-Satellite
$14,500 was asking price

--THE BEST OF THE BUNCH: http://www.forbbodiesonly.com/moparforum/showthread.php?83073-1966-Belvedere-II
Asking $12,500

NOTE: This was all done within 5 minutes right here on the forum.
 
You need to look around and see what the sellers are asking for the cars; and compare, if possible, to what they are actually selling for. Just as SB-ski did above. Geography matters, too, plus whatever past ownership documentation, receipts, and such the seller may have available for you to look at. If I had a choice between a very nice car that has zero documentation, no known history, or has an iffy past; and a car that may have needs but has all the info I mentioned, for similar money, I'm going with the car with the info.

As to what prices guides post, those are mearly a guide, period. Look to see what '66 Satellites are insured for on Hagerty's site, that is a good guide that shows what the cars are being insured for. That'll help you somewhat.
 
It also very much depends upon where you are buying. Here in DFW area, prices tend to be steeper. Our '67 is very close to original. It came with receipts for almost everything but fuel. Original bill of sale, build sheet, and much more. The body is in excellent, original condition. Somebody really LOVED this car. That said, once I re-bush the front end we will have about 26k into it. If you saw it, you'd understand why we went with it over another, cheaper car.

My son's resto-mod Fury III was a good deal at about 10k. It came with over 26k in receipts from the restoration and that was not including the cost of it or the parts car.

Bottom line: it costs a lot to restore a MOPAR! Buying a nicer car to begin with will get you there both faster and cheaper.

As to book value, it is best used as a ballpark figure. There are too many variables to allow them to be consistently accurate.
 
You know Brian, I think like this. You can still buy a Dodge but you can't buy a Plymouth. Therefore it is a brand that stands tall, Buy a Dodge, everybody has one. Own a Plymouth be different. I think prices in the 25 K range is for a nice Satellite, Belvedere well done is close. But you know, opinions are like asses, everybody has one. Guess this is mine. Larry
 
A good way to get a feel for the private seller market is to avoid eBag and do your own research away from 3rd party mark-ups. A great tool is Search Tempest that will crawl all of Craigslist for a specified distance from you. You can also just go to CL cars and trucks for sale and enter your search term then change locations and crawl as far away from home as you would be willing to travel. I don't think anyone that really wants to sell their car ever shares their get it done price and most expect to drop 5-10% or more to get a deal done. I keep my eyes open all the time for 66/67 b-bodies and while the Satellites/Belv are somewhat more rare they are still around for reasonable money in many different conditions. Now try to find a 68-70 Charger in good condition for reasonable money and you have a much greater challenge!!
 
OldFolksMopar said:
You know Brian, I think like this. You can still buy a Dodge but you can't buy a Plymouth.
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Irrelevant. You can't buy a new '66 or '67 Dodge, Plymouth, or anything else older than the current model year. Are Oldsmobiles, Pontiacs, Plymouths, AMCs, Hudsons, Nashes, or any other non-existant nameplate worth more, because they no longer are a current nameplate? The answer to that is a simple "no". They are worth what they are by the merits of the vehicles wearing the nameplate, just like an old Dodge, Chrysler, or Ford are.
 
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