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66Satellite47
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"When Indy Cylinder Head builds a crate motor of LESS than 625HP they ONLY USE AN INDY DUAL PLANE INTAKE MANIFOLD. When they build motors of 700HP and more then they use a single plane intake manifold. Andy Finkbaum in his book " Building Big Block Wedge Motors" he recommeds a dual plane intake on anything less than 650HP and a single plane intake only on motors of OVER 650HP.
For what it is worth....My motor for sure produces less than 650HP and its currently has a Mopar M-1 Single Plane intake and 950cfm 4150 Race Holley.
I have sitting on my workbench, right now, a brand new Indy Dual Plane Intake and a brand new Mighty Demon 850 Carb that is going to replace the single plane and 950..I am going to Test and Tune on Feb 20,21,22 2015 at Famoso Drag Strip to try out the new setup and I will have a full report if the dual plane and smaller carb make the car go faster."
This thread is GREAT! Can't wait to hear how the intake evaluation works out. I now have a '66 Satellite that has 500" that ran fine on the street & track with Torker 440/850 DP, Comp XS274(236/[email protected]/511), Performer RPM heads, 3850# w/me, 4.10, BFG 325/50, 10" Turbo Action. Dyno says 500 HP. Ran 11.85 @ 111.5. No pull above 5000 rpm (very disappointing). The engine builder told me the original owner wanted to get stoplight to stoplight quick. For the new year I switched to an antique Cam Dynamics .565/.585-300/308 & Victor intake hoping to make power up to 6500 rpm.
I ran 10.80's in the early 1980's with 440+.030, 11.5 DC pistons. stock shot peened rods, iron heads(ported by me), General Kinetics mushroom cam (276/[email protected]/645), TM7 Tarantula intake, 850 DP, 3800 Turbo Action, 4.56, 11.5W x 29.5, 3550# w/me.
For what it is worth....My motor for sure produces less than 650HP and its currently has a Mopar M-1 Single Plane intake and 950cfm 4150 Race Holley.
I have sitting on my workbench, right now, a brand new Indy Dual Plane Intake and a brand new Mighty Demon 850 Carb that is going to replace the single plane and 950..I am going to Test and Tune on Feb 20,21,22 2015 at Famoso Drag Strip to try out the new setup and I will have a full report if the dual plane and smaller carb make the car go faster."
This thread is GREAT! Can't wait to hear how the intake evaluation works out. I now have a '66 Satellite that has 500" that ran fine on the street & track with Torker 440/850 DP, Comp XS274(236/[email protected]/511), Performer RPM heads, 3850# w/me, 4.10, BFG 325/50, 10" Turbo Action. Dyno says 500 HP. Ran 11.85 @ 111.5. No pull above 5000 rpm (very disappointing). The engine builder told me the original owner wanted to get stoplight to stoplight quick. For the new year I switched to an antique Cam Dynamics .565/.585-300/308 & Victor intake hoping to make power up to 6500 rpm.
I ran 10.80's in the early 1980's with 440+.030, 11.5 DC pistons. stock shot peened rods, iron heads(ported by me), General Kinetics mushroom cam (276/[email protected]/645), TM7 Tarantula intake, 850 DP, 3800 Turbo Action, 4.56, 11.5W x 29.5, 3550# w/me.
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I will sure and let you know. Feb 20,21,22 Test and Tune at Famoso Drag Strip (in prep for the MARCH MEET)
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i WILL REPORT MY FINDINGS ON DUAL PLANE AND 850 VERSUS MOPAR M-1 SINGLE PLANE AND HOLLEY ULTRA HP 950CFM RACE CARB AFTER TEST AND TUNE ON FEB 20,21,22.
I also have a (genuine) Wilson 2" CNC tapered spacer I am going to test also to see if it make lower ET's also.
Tex013
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sorry Ron for a late reply .
Like you I only have experience with some items - not all . From other people testing the Indy DP is a great unit , I haven't even seen 1 here in Australia . I have tried a Eddy performer RPM which was down on my M1 single plane . I now have a Eddy Victor . I still shift and trap under 6500 .The single will almost always have more up top , and may make it a little easier to launch . Maybe slightly less torque down low .
Guys who appear smarter than me have made notations re the new Holley 950 may not have the best signal :argue: . I do feel there is a point where you will have to go 4500 because the 1 3/4" throttle blades will be your limiting point with a 4150 carb .
testing each individual car/motor is the only way to know for sure .For sure sometimes you can also luck out with a combination . But most of that luck comes down to research .
I'm still chasing your et :headbang:
Tex
Like you I only have experience with some items - not all . From other people testing the Indy DP is a great unit , I haven't even seen 1 here in Australia . I have tried a Eddy performer RPM which was down on my M1 single plane . I now have a Eddy Victor . I still shift and trap under 6500 .The single will almost always have more up top , and may make it a little easier to launch . Maybe slightly less torque down low .
Guys who appear smarter than me have made notations re the new Holley 950 may not have the best signal :argue: . I do feel there is a point where you will have to go 4500 because the 1 3/4" throttle blades will be your limiting point with a 4150 carb .
testing each individual car/motor is the only way to know for sure .For sure sometimes you can also luck out with a combination . But most of that luck comes down to research .
I'm still chasing your et :headbang:
Tex
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finally made it into the 10'sView attachment 242012 happier now after the long winter with no rain and no racing. Looking for some timing advice. moved it Saturday form 30 to 33 advance.
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Congrats Again !!
well done
picked up almost 3 tenths on the way
how did it feel ?,
does the car feel different or better handling etc.
any new changes in the near future ?
well done
picked up almost 3 tenths on the way
how did it feel ?,
does the car feel different or better handling etc.
any new changes in the near future ?
Canyon707
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it jumped out nicely on the launch.
It feels the same but since the front end work I feel it's just safer.
Yea a few in mind my first one on my list is to get my car wrapped Flat black for Wednesday. That won't help my times but it will look better. I do like a nice looking car. Pride of ownership I guess.
I want to try to figure out my best launch procedure. I wish I could just sit at the line and practice launches. Not sure now if I want to use my trans brake or my foot. Any thoughts on that would be great. As for the motor its all good. the trans and the converter need to be explored some since I have no clue whats in it or in front of it. It seems to me its limiting the top end with 4:56 gears. I hit my redline before the end of the track. Really cant tell but I think the motor could pull a bit more. it's just so dam consistent maybe just do nothing. Timing is now the biggest thing and what to set it at. I hear mopars take a lot of advance so its a trial and error thing unless someone knows how much advance I can get away with without going to far.
It feels the same but since the front end work I feel it's just safer.
Yea a few in mind my first one on my list is to get my car wrapped Flat black for Wednesday. That won't help my times but it will look better. I do like a nice looking car. Pride of ownership I guess.
I want to try to figure out my best launch procedure. I wish I could just sit at the line and practice launches. Not sure now if I want to use my trans brake or my foot. Any thoughts on that would be great. As for the motor its all good. the trans and the converter need to be explored some since I have no clue whats in it or in front of it. It seems to me its limiting the top end with 4:56 gears. I hit my redline before the end of the track. Really cant tell but I think the motor could pull a bit more. it's just so dam consistent maybe just do nothing. Timing is now the biggest thing and what to set it at. I hear mopars take a lot of advance so its a trial and error thing unless someone knows how much advance I can get away with without going to far.
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you really should or need to know what camshaft, what's done to the heads etc.
& that will dictate what converter & gears should be, to know what gear the best...
do you have enough room for a slightly taller tire ?
maybe borrow a pair & see if it's the gear {too much} or if more rollout or more footprint will help
or maybe try a smaller diameter tire & see what the incremental are etc.,
maybe it needs more initial wheel-speed, that would make me think you need more stall speed
IMO if you have a trans-brake I'd use it,
not too many times too quickly/repeatedly thou, without proper cool down, it will fry the trans thou,
what does the RPM go up-to on the trans-break ?
what RPM does it run in the traps ?
is it still pulling or falling off ?
too much advance will kill top-end, usually never over 38* total
{34*-36* is "usually better", unless it's low compression, then I've seen them haul *** @ as high as 40* total},
maybe 20* initial advance
also what ignition system, distributor & carb etc. ?
refresh our/my memory
That way if I don't respond, maybe someone else will
& that will dictate what converter & gears should be, to know what gear the best...
do you have enough room for a slightly taller tire ?
maybe borrow a pair & see if it's the gear {too much} or if more rollout or more footprint will help
or maybe try a smaller diameter tire & see what the incremental are etc.,
maybe it needs more initial wheel-speed, that would make me think you need more stall speed
IMO if you have a trans-brake I'd use it,
not too many times too quickly/repeatedly thou, without proper cool down, it will fry the trans thou,
what does the RPM go up-to on the trans-break ?
what RPM does it run in the traps ?
is it still pulling or falling off ?
too much advance will kill top-end, usually never over 38* total
{34*-36* is "usually better", unless it's low compression, then I've seen them haul *** @ as high as 40* total},
maybe 20* initial advance
also what ignition system, distributor & carb etc. ?
refresh our/my memory
That way if I don't respond, maybe someone else will
deaks
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Congrats, it's a great feeling the first time you break into the 10's. Your numbers are all right in line according to the wallace calc, if it's a bracket car then just keep as is. If you're looking for more et, maybe bigger carb, try more timing, adjustable shocks will help the 60ft times. If you're hitting the limiter before the line, chip it up 200 rpm, that will improve your et.
Mick
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Canyon707
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its running a dominator 1050 carb
ladder bar suspension my limit chip is 6800 trap is 6100 rpm+- I just hit that before the trap
Tex013
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nice effort .
what size rear tyre are you running , I trap at 6300ish for 119/121 range , with 4.10 gears and 28" radial
Tex
deaks
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Sorry, sometimes i'm lazy when it comes to reading long threads. I run the mopar.590, 31" tyres, shift at 62-300, hit the limiter ut the line 6700, with your gears i would probably be 63-400 at the line. Do you run a 4500 intake or an adaptor because if you run a 4500 you could try a 2" supersucker, i picked up .15 and nearly 2 mph on back to back runs
within an hour of each other. It cost me 60 dollars from Terry Walters racing. I cant guarantee it will work for you but it did for me.
within an hour of each other. It cost me 60 dollars from Terry Walters racing. I cant guarantee it will work for you but it did for me.
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I didnt do the testing I thought I would do.
I just ran it with the new INDY Heads, Dual Plane INDY intake and 850 Demon...went 11.70. Prior runs on a different outing was with the iron heads, 950HP Race Holley and M-1 Single plane the best et was 11.95...so the INDY heads, dual plane and smaller carb I picked up 2.5 tenths.
Building a 528 Stroker as we speak..with Cross Bolted Mains World Block, H beam 4340 Rods, Diamond 11.25 pistons, Mopar Stage VI Aluminum Heads, Mopar Roller Tip Rocker Arms, Mild Solid lifter cam of .550 Lift. Will use my MSD (with 2 step launch at 3000 RPM), INDY Dual Plane Intake, 850 Demon, My Moroso Oil Pan and My Hooker Super Comp Headers. I have now put in a 9" converter in with 5200 Flash. Brand New 28x13.50 (11.25 width) M/T slicks, Brand new Cal Tracs with Mono-leaf springs and Calvert front and rear shocks. Same 4.10 gears. I hope it will take my 66 Coronet to the 10.50 range. Will be in the car about April 10th.
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Good luck with that 528ci stroker build Mike
sounds like your really stepping up
have fun, keep us posted
sounds like your really stepping up
have fun, keep us posted
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That's a nasty *** looking ride, and in a good way!!!!
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love your car CANYON
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wow
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thanks Mike it came out pretty good. Wrapped it in flat black... Been working on this since fall of last year. Just finished it last week. Had a girl wrap it in Roseville Ca. It took her a couple of days in the mean time I painted out the front end and the grill and the glass bumpers. I really think its way more aero now. and I can see better than with that big scoop. ( not that it helps me cut a better light)
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