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Barrett Jackson Las Vegas

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Not getting the high prices this weekend that they used to get, they were practically giving cars away especially on Thursday!
Also, a lot of reserve prices were not met today, like for the 1970 Dodge Daytona.....(weren't B-J auctions always no reserve?)
 
Use to be No Reserve, now they have a select few with reserves...

New Auctioneers too, apparently not Spanky & Amy Lasators company
doing the auctioning any longer {spelling ?} anymore...

Not really very many big $$$ collectors as it use to be, since Ron Pratt sold out...

There were a few bargains, not as many charity cars either,
probably not as many big $$$ "Well Known" collectors in attendances...

They announced a new date for an east coast casino in Conn. IIRC for next year...
 
Trucks and restomods are continuing to be the growth sectors in the auto hobby.

What I continue to find interesting is the continued failure of mass-produced, "limited production" collector cars that are bought as investments. This event had one of the Dale Earnhardt Monte Carlo commemoratives that was bought and put away as an investment, and now it's sold and can't make back its original cost, yet alone storage costs.

A mass-produced commemorative, even if it is a so-called "limited production" item, which can mean thousands of them being made, just aren't worth buying as investments.
 
A mass-produced commemorative, even if it is a so-called "limited production" item, which can mean thousands of them being made, just aren't worth buying as investments.


You just can't create an instant collectible right out of the box. There may be short term desire for "the latest and greatest", but the test of time that always proves what is a collectible.
 
You just can't create an instant collectible right out of the box. There may be short term desire for "the latest and greatest", but the test of time that always proves what is a collectible.

like this...
 

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I also thought there were some bargains, especially the first day.
 
Yeah, I think all the cars are declining, but I dont see them dropping below what they should have always been worth, like the housing market, property sky rocketed, the demand was met and of course declined since it had no other way to go, and the prices leveled out.

Perfect Hemi cars should be $90-$150K, 6 pack cars should be $50-75K, 440 4bbl cars should be $40K, and 383 HP cars should be $17-25K. Depending on model and option rarity (I am talking about 70 and down b bodies and 70 and up e bodies...) Wing cars should be 100K to 200K for original show cars...

The days of $300K for a basic hemi car are over. AND we will probably never see the numbers matching 383 or cloned cars doing silly amounts in any market again.
A friend of mine is $40K in, on a 70 road runner 383 4 spd car, while another friend of ours is trying to sell his 69 383 4 speed car for $20K that cost him $30K to restore and he owned the car...

If you are going to restore a car to original that is not sentimental to you and you expect to EVER break even or god willing come ahead, it better be a desirable color, year, model and minimum of a 440-4.
I have a 70' charger R/T, plum crazy car, REALLY solid, I have a date correct 440 for it, and the automatic that come out of it, 90% of the parts in and out, body is all there as is bumpers and interior is 95% there.
To restore it I need to rebuild a carb, cover the seats, buy the basic seals, carpet, fuel tank, lines, brakes, suspension, windshield, door panels, head liner, etc etc etc. But its minimum stuff, the car has no rot and it mostly there, so no HUGE purchases like an engine or dash board... AND I CAN NOT justify the resto!!!! I am going to spend $20K to resto the car and whats it worth? Now if it was a V code car, I could make it make sense, even a 4 speed dana car I would do it, but in this market the car is just sitting there!!!

I hate to say it BUT I am going to end up retro rodding it, Ill sell the oem gauges and make a dash panel with digital gauges, I'll swap 440's purple cam for a decent FI friendly grind and throw an injection system in it with an electric fuel pump, put some 17"/18" wheels and tires, decent suspecinsion system, new disc brakes all the way around, add some metal flake to the plum crazy mix, a non original stripe, and A41 automatic (Keisler tranny kit) 4 speed...
Then the car will be worth something more than it costs to build, A/C fuel injected 440, 4 speed automatic, modern suspension, brakes, and wheels and the car is worth $75K easy. Plus the rallye cluster and parts I have, factory wheels, etc will sell for something, and I wont have to buy expensive seat covers, dash , parts, and door panels (upper door panels are like $500 for that car), I can just do vinyl wrapped foam, vinyl wrapped card board door panels with a design in them, powder coated aluminum dash board parts, cheap racing seats or corvette take outs (I have done this a few times, take the covers off, unstitch the "corvette" signature panel and stitch in a new panel that says "charger", the one we did said "SS" but it will work)... etc.. Much less tress finding the correct bumper jack (I can sell the bumper jack from that car for $500, lol...)...

BUT anyway, my rant is over, sadly when people realize they are going the wrong way with their car to get the money out of it, the market will flood with pro touring retro rods and then they will drop like rocks too...
 
Really means nothing......a car is onlyworth what someone is willing to pay for it...at BJ there is a lot of testosteron in play.....a lot of big money buyers picking up several cars.....there were some good deals to be had....what bothers me is the focus on GM and Ford.too many Vets, Cameros and Mustangs..Mopars were not even close...too bad
 
Watched 4 hrs on my d.v.r. Not one mopar for sale, then they changed the channel to velocity channel which I don't have, so I missed all the action,I only have discover channel .
 
Watched 4 hrs on my d.v.r. Not one mopar for sale, then they changed the channel to velocity channel which I don't have, so I missed all the action,I only have discover channel .

I watched it on my computer connected to my TV from BJ's live online streaming. They showed the entire auction from 9 am to 8 pm each day live with no commercials! (no, I didn't watch all of it)

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A 1970 Dodge Daytona???

Sorry.....69.....
http://www.barrett-jackson.com/Events/Event/Details/1969-DODGE-DAYTONA-WING-RACE-CAR-187241
 
Superbirds of the 440 variety are selling around $80k, which is right about where they should be. Add 20% for 440-6 and 50% for Hemi. But also expect those numbers to go down as us old timers continue to die off and the amount of interest continues to decline.

The only cars we like that I see escalating in price are the genuine very limited production, like one-of-ten or less, cars. Kinda glad to see the guys who try to say their car is a one-of-one because Jimbo put his inspection mark 1" further to the right than anyone else's getting theirs. :)
 
i hope the prices keep on dropping. it seems generally speaking, the interest lies in the GM products , which is fine by me. hell I watched an 86 or something GNX sell for 92,000 bucks.... enjoy. its about time the prices fall out , but you cant tell that to the people selling used parts , they are still made of gold...
 
A beautiful turquoise, straight 6, 3 on a tree, 62 Comet 2 door went for $2k!!!
 
If I had money to buy cars, and space to store them, I would be snapping up every F body Mustang and 80s-90s Camaro and Firebird I could find. Those are selling for peanuts today and they're going to get up there in a few more years as the next generation starts coming into some disposable income and wants to buy the cars they dreamed about as kids.
 
If anyone hears of a very nice 68 Charger R/T with factory a/c, without green interior that's for sale, please keep me in mind.
 
I keep hoping that the decline in value of "collector cars" will eventually get down to the parts level and make the hobby more affordable for everyone. A guy can dream.
 
I keep hoping that the decline in value of "collector cars" will eventually get down to the parts level and make the hobby more affordable for everyone. A guy can dream.

The problem there is that most parts vendors have parts that they paid top dollar for, and selling them cheap is going to mean a big loss for them. They're going to get screwed just like owners did because the number of people who want these parts is dropping, and the folks who offer lower prices now are getting the business from these folks. You see this a lot on ebay. The higher-priced parts keep getting relisted. The more realistically priced ones get bought quickly.
 
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