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Electric Power Steering

HYRDGOON

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This may be exactly the answer I was looking for. I follow Steve Strope's Pure Vision online (The guy that built HAMMER) and he posted up this unit for the 69 Charger 515 GTB Project.

It's an electric power steering unit from Flaming River Industries that we stuck onto the end of the shortened factory steering column.

I posted a question to Pure Vision asking what comes as part of the unit and this was the reply

"Flaming river sends you the motor, the brain, the setting adjuster and some wiring to hook them up. I don't recall if it came with the new u-joints. It's up to you to determine where and how to mount it between your steering wheel and steering box/rack. We shortened the original steering column to hide the motor under the dash. The motor does need a very strong mount."

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That's cool, I do like the electric steering on the new cars but I'm wondering how much noise that makes under the dash, I think engine compartment is where it should be.
 
I saw one of these units being installed on the show "FantomWorks". They also installed the unit under the dash. My question would also be the noise level of the unit while its working.

I searched for the unit (part #FR40105) and couldn't find it anywhere but ebay at a price of $7289 :eek:. Jegs and summit had the listing but is not available. Jegs price was also $7289. Flaming River website no longer lists them. At that price I can see why.
 
they can be had for under 1500 if you look around
 
the coolest thing about electric power steering is the fact that the car doesn't need to be running for it to work.

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Seriously though, I am pretty curious how well this setup works haha pretty cool idea
 
Post your decision and results with electric steering. It would be great to hear from someone who actually has one. My issue with going to electric steering is not only the noise (I'm sure it won't be much though), but the reliability of the unit. If it stops working can you still steer?
 
Many new cars have electric steering. It makes no noise at all, lasts 100k miles, and functions flawlessly 99 percent of the time
 
Many new cars have electric steering. It makes no noise at all, lasts 100k miles, and functions flawlessly 99 percent of the time

Those were my thoughts exactly. There are tons of newer cars on the road with electric steering and I have never heard one noise complaint. I'm choosing my battles right now with where my money goes (especially with our weak dollar Slepr1) but if this is an option I pursue I'll definitely post my complete experience regarding the install and use.
 
I have quite similar looking column with electric power steering in my Camaro, with rack&pinion. Works nicely. Total cost with used column around 200-300$, not noisy at all.

I used Opel Corsa C column. Don´t know why, but that´s very popular here in Finland in retrofit use (mostly in rallycars). Pretty simple to wire also, only thing is, that originally vehicle speed affects how much steering is powered, so you need to generate speed pulse to it. Common thing to do is use ->
http://www.ebay.com/itm/Corsa-B-C-K...m2a238d0e00:m:m9UgapAjsupMVbTBAfx80wA&vxp=mtr
 
Some thoughts.

Hi Guy's,HYRDGOON, sometimes I hesitate to share my opinions in these discussions, we all know about opinions don't we! We have utilized some of this type of column mounted power assist units on our projects. On a vehicle with parameters that align with the capabilities of these units, they can be an excellent solution. We haven't used them all but they all share the same basic design and all have similar capabilities and issues. This type of steering assist was originally designed for use on ATV's, golf carts and other small, light weight vehicles. Simplicity of installation makes them an attractive option for adding power assist to a manual steering vehicle.

In a vehicle with low front axle weight (1200-1300 LBS) and good steering geometry they will work well, in short if you could drive it without power steering and just wanted some assist to make it more pleasant to drive these systems are an excellent fit. A "B" Body in any configuration except possibly a lightened drag car, in my opinion exceeds the capability of these units. All of these systems we have seen are thermally protected and aggressive steering input (slalom maneuvers) will cause the unit to over heat and shut down, this can also be caused by steering geometry that creates high efforts, in short if you really need power assist these units probably don't have the capability. There is a highly modified unit that was an OEM system on a Toyota minivan that the endurance race teams use in the GT cars, but it's 14,000 bucks and they typically life at one race probably a non-starter.

One of the other design concerns with this type of system is that they, by virtue of driving the column shaft, place very high loads on the intermediate shaft, pinion and rack shaft teeth. In a standard hydraulic or electric steering rack the loads are applied rack shaft either through the piston (hydraulic) of the ball screw (electric). If the assist system is working properly the only loads the intermediate shaft and pinion see are the load to twist the torsion bar to open the spool valve in the hydraulic rack or operate the torque sensor on the electric rack. Most of the manual steering racks that I see utilized in the applications are very light duty. Mustang or Omni manual racks seem to be the usual choices dependent on weather front or rear steer is desired. Both of these racks will work on an occasional driver but will wear very quickly on a heavy vehicle that gets serious usage. Add in the difficulty of getting an almost straight intermediate shaft run, on most of our cars and driving the column shaft can become an issue.

One of my friends and I have been building a vehicle for quite some time and it was our intention to use one of these column assist units if we got to old to deal with the manual steering. We design a steering system that we believed would be low effort in the manual condition. By design it has long steering arms a 16:1 rack ratio, a nice rolling scrub radius and a large diameter steering wheel. All good for easy steering wheel efforts, but I still couldn't to use one of those little manual racks, so we made our own. We utilized a rack shaft and pinion from Woodward Steering so the parts are replaceable if they wear. Please forgive the rust and dust it's been sitting for awhile.

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Most of the OEM electric power racks don't lend themselves to packaging in anything other than an east-west application, large SUV's or Pick-ups. In my opinion the column assist systems are not robust enough in your application for the aforementioned reasons. So in my opinion, by default, a hydraulic steering rack would be your best choice. If you don't have room to package the pump you can always use an EHPS pump.........................But that's another discussion!
 

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Thanks Brian,

That was very insightful and extremely helpful. As in your car build the steering system you designed seems very well thought out and executed.

I still have your number I'm going to have to give you a call one of these days and pick your brain.

Much appreciated,

Mike
 
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