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383 figured out finally!

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I started a thread on the finished stroker and why I took the 383 out. I spoke of the lack of power and not being able to get out of its own way. I had been through everything but the bottom end of the engine. Well, last week it was pulled and replaced with the 512 stroker. So, We dove into the old 383 to see what the issue is/was. The camshaft and timing gears were set at zero as planned. Considering what else we found, degreeing the cam I don't think would have made much difference. We will never know know. But it will have some degree going back!

First, there was absolutely no end gap in the rings! Zero! Way too tight on all 8. Fortunately the bore was fine and rings weren't broken or stuck.

Second, there was about 150 thousands space between top of the flat top pistons and the deck. Plus the gasket. That would explain the very low 7.6:1 compression and why it took the motor awhile to get any speed going!

Everything else seems marginally ok. Little bearing wear, it does have a good forged steel crank. It kind of looks like it was dry started once or twice before I got it. I'm thinking the p.o. Didn't realize to prime before starting.

The other little issue was many things were loose. The oil pickup tube was floating in the base and the end of it (screen) is severely damaged and dinged up.

That's all I've found so far. It's enough! Hope this will help someone out. Bottom line is, "you gotta know what you're doing and what you want when you build a Mopar engine"
 
Ah, yeah! Sounds like wrong kinda glue, and wasn't holdin' their mouth right.
 
my experience with those 8:1 383's has been very dismal performance.
 
I agree. I fortunately was able to retain my 10:1 pistons on my 68' 383, and the engine runs great. In My 69' I went to 9.2, and I can really tell the difference between the two engines. I now need a set of .030 10:1 pistons, for another 383. Anyone know who the best source is?
 
I now need a set of .030 10:1 pistons, for another 383. Anyone know who the best source is?

Not many choices there, about the only one is "KB's". They have 2 choices, either the 162's or I can't remember the other #. The 162's will give a lower compression then the other's, need to surf KB's site for what they have. Good Luck
 
Not many choices there, about the only one is "KB's". They have 2 choices, either the 162's or I can't remember the other #. The 162's will give a lower compression then the other's, need to surf KB's site for what they have. Good Luck

The other KB number Is KB400. They have a 6cc raised dome. Does help a little with compression.
I have a new in box set of 30 over KB162's if you want flat tops. PM me if interested.
 
my experience with those 8:1 383's has been very dismal performance.

If it were dismal, that would have been good! It was much worse than that!
 
We have a 12.5 to 1 C/R 383 in a 70 Super Bee, and it runs great! 915 heads, used dome pistons, .488/.491 lift cam, hyd lifters, stock rocker gear. Runs 13s at 5400 feet, and with a shot of nitrous, low 12s at 110 MPH. 383 s can run good with higher C/Ratios, and a good rebuild.
 
It's going to be a little while before I have the cash saved up to start throwing parts at it. I think I overspent on the stroker build. Hard to believe. But thanks for options. I'll look into them when the cash tree blooms!
 
We have a 12.5 to 1 C/R 383 in a 70 Super Bee, and it runs great! 915 heads, used dome pistons, .488/.491 lift cam, hyd lifters, stock rocker gear. Runs 13s at 5400 feet, and with a shot of nitrous, low 12s at 110 MPH. 383 s can run good with higher C/Ratios, and a good rebuild.
What you using for fuel with that combo?
 
We have a 12.5 to 1 C/R 383 in a 70 Super Bee, and it runs great! 915 heads, used dome pistons, .488/.491 lift cam, hyd lifters, stock rocker gear. Runs 13s at 5400 feet, and with a shot of nitrous, low 12s at 110 MPH. 383 s can run good with higher C/Ratios, and a good rebuild.

Nice to see you built in around 2.5 points of additional mechanical compression for the altitude. Your net effective CR is about 10:1, about the max for a strong build at sea level.
 
What you using for fuel with that combo?
My son uses a 60/40mix of 100 Sunoco and 91 octane premium.

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I also have a 13 to 1 C/R 451 with 915 heads and Ross pistons. (14 cc domes). That one needs 3 gallons of 100 Sunoco, 2 gallons of E 85 which is 105 octane, and 3 gallons of premium. It runs great with that combo, 2 years and counting.
 
Nice to see you built in around 2.5 points of additional mechanical compression for the altitude. Your net effective CR is about 10:1, about the max for a strong build at sea level.

Thanks for the info on how altitude affects C/R, I knew it did, but wasn't sure how much the difference was. Is there a formula for determining effective C/Ratio at various altitudes? I've been wondering about this.
 
Most piston companies have online compression calculators that also have a line for altitude adjustment. Wallace Racing and Keith Black come to mind.

Generally, there's a loss of 4%/1000 ft of elevation. During the summer months in high heat and low humidity the density altitude can double the 4% rule of thumb.

I know a lot of guys in Denver who follow the latest, greatest 11:1 magazine build without adding additional compression then wonder why the engine is a dog when it's done. It's all about trying to get the cylinder pressure up to match the sea level combo.
 
Yes, over the years I tried and tried to get a strong running 440 going, with ten to 1 C/R, to no avail. Tried all kinds of combos. Then a friend gave me a 413 with dome Arias pistons, since he blew up my 440. I slapped on a set of 915s, with a .510 lift Crane mech cam, 292 degrees duration. I came up with 13 to 1 C/R and that thing ran 12s right off the bat! I was amazed.

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Now all my drag strip builds in Denver have at least 12.5 to one C/R . Were a mile high, and the air is pretty thin to begin with.
 
I lived in SE Aurora from '95 - '10 and come back frequently to work. In fact, I'm staying in Parker right now. I've tried to explain the altitude loss to several car guys and they look at me like I have 3 heads.

I'd like to try the new trick flow heads with the smaller chamber with a flat top piston up here next. Maybe this summer...
 
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