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67 GTX - Texas Cooling Adventures

I am in south Texas & my 68 Charger 512 with ac runs 180 ish all day , 7 blade 18" direct drive fan # 1818 flexalite & the same radiator as the OP . the fan clutch did not work

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Don,
I don't know for a fact that the 20" fan would be a problem, just thinking out loud. BTW, I believe the original application for that short Hayden clutch was for a Jaguar plastic fan... I once witnessed an aluminum/steel Flex-o-lite fan exit a vehicle's hood when a clutch failed. It wasn't a pretty sight...

According to the FABO post I linked above Hayden came out with the 2947 because the Jag clutch was too weak for a metal fan. The 2947 was upgraded to high perf cooling fins and also heavier duty mounting. I agree with you though, don't want hood ventilation that way - that's why I'm waiting to see if anyone else has any feedback on the 2947!
 
Going back to your OP, you're on the right track attempting to cover the entire shroud opening with the larger diameter fan. How much do the fan blades rub? If only slightly I would first try tweaking the blades to make it fit because that looks like a stout setup. Can't see in your photos so I have to ask - the car has the rubber rad gasket attached to the hood and air dam at the bottom between the rad and grille? With the car idling in park and the fan rotating, can the incoming airflow hold a piece of paper against the radiator?

I had the same issues as you on my Coronet; new rad from Glen-Ray, 18" direct drive fan, shroud, high flow water pump. Car ran at 180* on the freeway in 100* heat, but climbed to 215* (and climbing) in stop-n-go traffic. Replaced the original with an unknown-make, 18 1/2", 5 bladed steel fan w/clutch. Had to tweak the blades slightly because the trailing edge of the blades hit the after-market A/C compressor. Now the highest temp recorded in traffic is 190* and quickly drops to low 180's once moving again. BTW, the current fan holds up a Mopar Muscle magazine at idle (pics are in my resto thread).

Thanks. With the stock longer clutch the fan hit the lower rad tank and was really close to the core fins. I am pretty sure the 2975 short clutch will solve the problem but due to the depth of the fan I could have the trailing edge problem you had. So the clutch is a bit of a gamble. I do not have the gaskets you refer to which I assume a factory air car would have had, that is another thing to add to my list.
 
You still did not answer my ? about your distributor timing & set up.
 
All a clutch does is disengage the fan at higher speed because it it theoretically not needed due to ram air. I don't see how it could help (or hinder) a cooling problem. What am I missing?
 
All a clutch does is disengage the fan at higher speed because it it theoretically not needed due to ram air. I don't see how it could help (or hinder) a cooling problem. What am I missing?
i agree, the clutch frees up horsepower at higher speeds when the airflow is cool enough to disengage the fan from the water pump. At low speeds the clutch is engaged, same as a direct drive fan.
So TxDon, is still comes down to airflow at low speeds and cooling capacity. Per your pics, capacity isn't the issue.
As pointed out earlier, the fan blade tips should be within 1/2 - 1" of the shroud opening with the blades 1/2 inside, 1/2 outside the shroud. Checking out YO apparently your car takes the same shroud as my 69; the opening is about 19".
https://www.yearone.com/Product/chrysler-b-body/fd603
As insignificant as it looks, the hood to radiator seal is required on all cars, not just A/C. It's a cheap add if you don't have one.
https://www.yearone.com/Product/chrysler-b-body/fw935
And as cdr stated, initial timing plays a part; if initial is too retarded the car will run hot. My method of setting initial is using a vacuum gauge to find the highest vacuum at idle, but there are plenty of other methods. Depending upon your cam, 18* - 20* is a good ballpark.

ironically, I'm telling you all these fixes and I was in the same position as you just a month ago. What worked for me:
- Lower air dam wasn't installed properly; adjusted the position and tightened down
- #2 spark plug wire was arcing on the header; engine was fighting itself at idle. Repositioned the wire, added spark plug wire boots.
- Swapped in a larger diameter fan.

So far, so good.
 
Thanks Coronet Darter and CDR. The timing could be an issue, I have seen a lot of opinions on here. It is currently set at 13* initial with 36* total, I had tried higher initial but had pinging problems. But that was prior to richening up the carb which greatly improved the idle and response so I need to revisit the timing.

On the shroud mine is not original to the 67 but is a stock type with a larger fan opening. I'll look into the year one hood seal. Do you have a picture of the air dam on your car? I don't think I have that...
 
Thanks Coronet Darter and CDR. The timing could be an issue, I have seen a lot of opinions on here. It is currently set at 13* initial with 36* total, I had tried higher initial but had pinging problems. But that was prior to richening up the carb which greatly improved the idle and response so I need to revisit the timing.

On the shroud mine is not original to the 67 but is a stock type with a larger fan opening. I'll look into the year one hood seal. Do you have a picture of the air dam on your car? I don't think I have that...
I'm not as familiar with the pre 68-70 B bodies but I assume there should be some sort of air dam. Besides funneling air into the rad it protects it from road debris.
On the 69 it attaches to the bottom of the bumper and the bumper brackets.

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you need to shorten the mechanical advance in the dist, so you can run 20 inital, 35 total & go from there.
 
I'm not as familiar with the pre 68-70 B bodies but I assume there should be some sort of air dam. Besides funneling air into the rad it protects it from road debris.
On the 69 it attaches to the bottom of the bumper and the bumper brackets.
Thanks. Hey, 67GTX440 - you have a factory air car, does it have an air dam like this?
 
you need to shorten the mechanical advance in the dist, so you can run 20 inital, 35 total & go from there.
Advance curve tuning is on my list. Unfortunately the current heater hose setup on my car blocks the distributor so I can't get it out and can't even remove the cap all the way. One of my winter projects will be to fix this and then hopefully get to the distributor.
 
Waking up this old thread since summer is back big time in Texas. After much delay I finally completed an ignition update and tune, still using the MP electronic that came with the car but I finally tuned the advance. I reset the centrifugal advance to a 16 degree limit and bumped the initial to 20 degrees. This greatly improved the car's performance and may have helped with the cooling. But I think the biggest discovery on my part was that the lower radiator hose did not have the factory metal spring inside to keep it from collapsing on acceleration. I was tipped to this reading other threads, bought a spring from CJ's Pony Parts and installed it. The result of these changes are that I can now cruise on 90 plus days with the A/C on and the temp stays around 190 and never tops 200! If you haven't checked your hose for a spring do it now.
 
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