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Need a new converter - Hughes models?

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Posted this over in the Driveline & Engine forum but thought I would duplicate it here and maybe get a wider audience.

Rebuilding the 727 A in my 67 GTX which is the subject of another thread. The torque converter I removed has wear on the hub and is an 11 inch unit I suspect from a later model car - seemed fairly tight. I checked with Lenny at Ultimate Converter Concepts and he could rebuild it but it would run about $550 which is more than I need to spend for a fairly stock car. I think his normal clients are racers and guys running serious motors that need high strength stuff.

This car is full power & working air (heavy car), all stock 1968 magnum motor with 800 Edelbrock and TTI 2-1/2 inch exhaust. Only concession to performance upgrades is a 3.55 rear. Mostly around town and cruise night drive-ins. Seldom ever get on the open highway. It's a luxury muscle car and will never be more.

Not sure how I got focused on them but I've been looking at Hughes torque converters and the model 24-20 (2000 stall) and 24-25 (2500 stall). That seems to straddle where I think I would like to be - around a 2200 - 2300 stall - a little more than stock. I know I know, all that is just guessing.

Called up Hughes expecting to get reassured that the 24-20 would work fine for me. But after he asked what cam I have (told him stock Magnum cam several times and finally guessed around 215 degrees @ .050 and .474 lift (I don't really know - never looked it up) - he said he thought I should go with the 24-25 unit. That kind of surprised me - so now I'm confused.

Anyone want to weight in on this? Go with the 24-20? The 24-25? Something else?
 
I'm running the 24-25 in my 68 Coronet, I'm happy with it. Good street manners
 
It's behind a 9.44:1, .030 over 383 ... everything besides block is aluminum, tti headers, 3.23 gear
 
Thanks - that's probably fairly comparable. My low end torque and 3.55 gear may flash the stall just a little higher until it gets all the weight moving.
 
if the engines stock put a stock 11 3/4" in it. unmodified engines don't need a looser converter. i don't use anymore than a factory 10 3/4" in a cammed, carbed 440 and it does fine.
 
Well - we have a 1 to 1 tie. Anyone else care to weigh in? Both Hughes converters are 11 inch.
 
I was lucky to find a Hughes FM-24 on the return rack @ Summit in Reno. For $50 it was worth the gamble and I am happy with the 2000 stall behind my Warmed up 440. FM= fuel miser.
 
Posted this over in the Driveline & Engine forum but thought I would duplicate it here and maybe get a wider audience.

Rebuilding the 727 A in my 67 GTX which is the subject of another thread. The torque converter I removed has wear on the hub and is an 11 inch unit I suspect from a later model car - seemed fairly tight. I checked with Lenny at Ultimate Converter Concepts and he could rebuild it but it would run about $550 which is more than I need to spend for a fairly stock car. I think his normal clients are racers and guys running serious motors that need high strength stuff.

This car is full power & working air (heavy car), all stock 1968 magnum motor with 800 Edelbrock and TTI 2-1/2 inch exhaust. Only concession to performance upgrades is a 3.55 rear. Mostly around town and cruise night drive-ins. Seldom ever get on the open highway. It's a luxury muscle car and will never be more.

Not sure how I got focused on them but I've been looking at Hughes torque converters and the model 24-20 (2000 stall) and 24-25 (2500 stall). That seems to straddle where I think I would like to be - around a 2200 - 2300 stall - a little more than stock. I know I know, all that is just guessing.

I just received my new PTC converter the other day and I am fully impressed with the quality. It's anti-ballooning, has a totally one piece milled connecting plate on the flex plate side and best of all not nearly as expensive as most other brands including the "off the shelve" brands. It's a 31-3300 stall and it is my belief ( having used a higher stall on my sons Ford 302 ) that factory OE low-stall converters are not worth replacing due to poor quality caused by mass manufacturing. Second to the cam, a decent torque converter can define how a car performs especially when it's "dialed-in" to the engines torque curve and the cars weight. My last converter was 2400 and the car was a dog, my new one makes it run like grey hound with no other mods.

Called up Hughes expecting to get reassured that the 24-20 would work fine for me. But after he asked what cam I have (told him stock Magnum cam several times and finally guessed around 215 degrees @ .050 and .474 lift (I don't really know - never looked it up) - he said he thought I should go with the 24-25 unit. That kind of surprised me - so now I'm confused.

Anyone want to weight in on this? Go with the 24-20? The 24-25? Something else?
 
Posted this over in the Driveline & Engine forum but thought I would duplicate it here and maybe get a wider audience.

Rebuilding the 727 A in my 67 GTX which is the subject of another thread. The torque converter I removed has wear on the hub and is an 11 inch unit I suspect from a later model car - seemed fairly tight. I checked with Lenny at Ultimate Converter Concepts and he could rebuild it but it would run about $550 which is more than I need to spend for a fairly stock car. I think his normal clients are racers and guys running serious motors that need high strength stuff.

This car is full power & working air (heavy car), all stock 1968 magnum motor with 800 Edelbrock and TTI 2-1/2 inch exhaust. Only concession to performance upgrades is a 3.55 rear. Mostly around town and cruise night drive-ins. Seldom ever get on the open highway. It's a luxury muscle car and will never be more.

Not sure how I got focused on them but I've been looking at Hughes torque converters and the model 24-20 (2000 stall) and 24-25 (2500 stall). That seems to straddle where I think I would like to be - around a 2200 - 2300 stall - a little more than stock. I know I know, all that is just guessing.

Called up Hughes expecting to get reassured that the 24-20 would work fine for me. But after he asked what cam I have (told him stock Magnum cam several times and finally guessed around 215 degrees @ .050 and .474 lift (I don't really know - never looked it up) - he said he thought I should go with the 24-25 unit. That kind of surprised me - so now I'm confused.

Anyone want to weight in on this? Go with the 24-20? The 24-25? Something else?
 
I just received my new PTC converter the other day and I am fully impressed with the quality. It's anti-ballooning, has a totally one piece milled connecting plate on the flex plate side and best of all not nearly as expensive as most other brands including the "off the shelve" brands. It's a 31-3300 stall and it is my belief ( having used a higher stall on my sons Ford 302 ) that factory OE low-stall converters are not worth replacing due to poor quality caused by mass manufacturing. Second to the cam, a decent torque converter can define how a car performs especially when it's "dialed-in" to the engines torque curve and the cars weight. My last converter was 2400 and the car was a dog, my new one makes it run like grey hound with no other mods. Gave them a call with all my info and what I got was what they recommended and what they recommended was "spot-on" for a bit heavier car with a "torquey" high H.P. engine.
 
Let me try this - I can't justify spending $600 or more on a custom built converter for a stock 440 so pretty much limited to an off-the shelf replacement. How would you rank these 3 manufacturers in terms of quality & reputation - TCI, B&M, Hughes? Hughes and B&M seem to be the price leader compared to TCI but maybe it's a more efficient and quality converter?
 
I'm in the same boat as you, I called several shops for a converter and was quoted 600-700 across the board. I couldn't justify the price. I mean honestly, how bad is an off the shelf converter anyway ! Maybe if I was squeezing every tenth I could at the track then I'd justify the cost. I went with Hughes after ready numerous crap stories about TCI, I have no regrets ....
 
I'm in the same boat as you, I called several shops for a converter and was quoted 600-700 across the board. I couldn't justify the price. I mean honestly, how bad is an off the shelf converter anyway ! Maybe if I was squeezing every tenth I could at the track then I'd justify the cost. I went with Hughes after ready numerous crap stories about TCI, I have no regrets ....

Thanks for your help - one vote for Hughes.
 
440-6, stealth heads, lunati 60303 (.494 lift), TTI 2.5, stock manifolds, 727/3.23. Hughes recommended 24-25, works perfect.
 
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