Is this guy serious

Auggie56 said:

Not to argue, but everything comes to an end. Look at the age of the car show crowd. Nothing but gray hairs. I don't see many young guys out there, and if they have a car they are showing a rice burner. And the big reason is the cost, no body has a job that pays like it did, when we were working. Almost no factory jobs, no new people are learning the trades like we did. Even the Air Force is short pilots.

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Auggie in no way can I argue with a true statement above......

X3 - it's just the way it is......

moparnation74 said:

Obvious the theme is cost....But just how many of these nos parts are around anymore. Furthermore, most that are available are not the best nos around. You have to be careful what your purchase.

If it was at a third of the price would you still buy it? Or just bitch more about the cost.

Assuming because one can purchase due to need makes them stupid is ludicrous? Maybe they cannot wait three years of searching for a part a hundred dollars less than the one ready to purchase? You cannot relate when you don't build cars like these. Some state they have but they really are not......

It is no different if you had these same parts and tried to sell them. If you did you would be asking the same inflated prices.

Easy to say when the shoe is in the other foot.....

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----Again my point was look at the price of this part and i found a nice used one that i forgotten i had, and no i dont think its even worth close to half of what that guy is asking. Frankly i hope he never sells it as he does a disservice to the hobby in general and yes it is to sell and ask for anything he chooses.

Auggie56 said:

Not to argue, but everything comes to an end. Look at the age of the car show crowd. Nothing but gray hairs. I don't see many young guys out there, and if they have a car they are showing a rice burner. And the big reason is the cost, no body has a job that pays like it did, when we were working. Almost no factory jobs, no new people are learning the trades like we did. Even the Air Force is short pilots.

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Many younger people are not into cars from our generation, just like were not into the things they are today. I dont care for there modified imports but i dont knock them as there still cars and these guys are still wrenching on them like we did at there age. The thing about jobs, i dont know. The car hobby is not a inexpensive one and it comes down to priorities so many younger guys cant afford it once they get married and have children. I know that was the case for myself

I can't go for the concept,as I heard this all when the Japanese were buying American cars in 1990-93 , and none would be left over for the rest of us. It didn't happen.I have young people calling all the time for parts, and the Enthusiasm I see can't be gauged by a car show.I have never had my cars in a show, and most of the people I deal with haven't either. Sorry, Optimism rules here. cheer up, people still love old mopars, and will for a long time to come! Not everyone wants or needs a Hemi Cuda or challenger, but wherever I go young people are enthralled by my four door 69 Dart or Cordoba. That is where the real hobby is.

I wanted to add, that in the last year I have sold a 72" dart hardtop, 67' Barracuda, and 69' Dart as restoration projects. and the Buyers were 20,22,and 23 years old. Young kids excited to build an old car. I sold a 55' Dodge to an Army officer in D.C. That was 34 years old, and full of excitement. They are out there, believe me. take heart!

steve from staten island said:

----Again my point was look at the price of this part and i found a nice used one that i forgotten i had, and no i dont think its even worth close to half of what that guy is asking. Frankly i hope he never sells it as he does a disservice to the hobby in general and yes it is to sell and ask for anything he chooses.

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Curious, what service do you provide to this hobby? Just look over your posts on this forum in all categories and I don't see an ounce of help, advice, pictures of your projects, or anything relating to any service for this hobby.....

But I do see you always asking for help? If you provide nothing in return which is obvious then aren't you providing us a disservice being here?

The idea of a "hobby" would be personal edification or pleasure, I think.
And perhaps, to even help others.
Maybe his point would be better stated as to primum non nocere rather than "disservice".

onlyone said:

The idea of a "hobby" would be personal edification or pleasure, I think.
And perhaps, to even help others.
Maybe his point would be better stated as to primum non nocere rather than "disservice".

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Correct...Do no harm....

His opinion of this guy is based off of a part price and he has no idea how helpful this guy really is to our hobby. I personally do and most don't because it is not part of this market he caters to or helps. His advice and high quality parts are second to none.

Sphere is more behind that price in a very positive way.

Your pleasure sounds expensive.
As mother would say, expensive taste.
It's best not to have champagne taste on a beer budget .

On a side note.
Have you heard about the new web site?
"for1971hemicudaconvertablesonly.com"
Membership is expected to grow to new lows.

moparnation74 said:

Curious, what service do you provide to this hobby? Just look over your posts on this forum in all categories and I don't see an ounce of help, advice, pictures of your projects, or anything relating to any service for this hobby.....

But I do see you always asking for help? If you provide nothing in return which is obvious then aren't you providing us a disservice being here?

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We dont have to get ourselves upset because we have difference of opinions. I have offered some opinions on what a problem might be with a members car, you'd have to research the Tech forum. However those times are rare as this is my first Mopar and im lacking in the expertise that many of you have. So if that makes me a disservice being here, then so be it. When you say "us", please remember your speaking for yourself only. While some may side with you others dont. This man who is selling that part is over pricing it, thats my opinion only and not "ours". The argument that he is supposedly wealthy holds no water for me as i know many wealthy people ,money wise that is and they usually dont sell on E Bay. Id even question if he is as well off, why sell on E_bay? Id think he would put that part on a shelf for another restoration. Lets just remember that while we are very fond of our cars they are valuable only to a point. They were never expensive automobiles when new and myself being of age when they were actually new the only one which was somewhat something was the Hemi Cuda. I always recall them drawing a crowd. The others were like every muscle car of there day. Its like someone said about buyer be aware and if someone is stupid enough to pay $650 for a radio front.

steve from staten island said:

We dont have to get ourselves upset because we have difference of opinions. I have offered some opinions on what a problem might be with a members car, you'd have to research the Tech forum. However those times are rare as this is my first Mopar and im lacking in the expertise that many of you have. So if that makes me a disservice being here, then so be it. When you say "us", please remember your speaking for yourself only. While some may side with you others dont. This man who is selling that part is over pricing it, thats my opinion only and not "ours". The argument that he is supposedly wealthy holds no water for me as i know many wealthy people ,money wise that is and they usually dont sell on E Bay. Id even question if he is as well off, why sell on E_bay? Id think he would put that part on a shelf for another restoration. Lets just remember that while we are very fond of our cars they are valuable only to a point. They were never expensive automobiles when new and myself being of age when they were actually new the only one which was somewhat something was the Hemi Cuda. I always recall them drawing a crowd. The others were like every muscle car of there day. Its like someone said about buyer be aware and if someone is stupid enough to pay $650 for a radio front.

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Lol, no one is upset here, just stating the truth.

Again you make assumptions on this guy who you don't know. However, some of us do know these people. You are wrong again on your limited knowledge and assumptions.

People that don't typically buy nos do not have a clue how rare these parts are and that equates to a rare part price...but they get upset just over the price..

I am not going to spend days searching for one post where you provided nothing....But it takes one second to find a bickering post from you or apostate where our need something.....Total user.....

Just my $0.02, I don't know the guy selling the item so I won't speak to his character or motive, and that really doesn't matter, but I see that price, and as a young guy with a wife and kid, I say holy crap! My Uncle, on the other hand, who used to own a Super Bird he restored himself and is now restoring a 70 convertible Challenger almost exclusively buys only NOS parts, but that's what he wants and he can afford to do that, and is not stupid for doing that, he just has the money.

My mom said, when I started collecting baseball cards years ago, something is only worth what someone is willing to pay for it. If you have the money and want it, buy it. If you don't have that type of money, like me, then don't buy it. It's pretty simple.

Most of these parts are not being remade and in NOS quality are extremely rare. The sellers know that and determine what they would like for it and list it. If someone has the money and buys it, then good for them for selling it at that price. If it doesn't sell then they may adjust the price or may decide not to sell it. Basic economics.

If you are like me and can't drop thousands on NOS parts, do like I do and look around and find the best quality part for the money you have. I personally like to find the deals that someone is selling cheap, but is in good condition and just needs to be polished or repainted, buy those at what I feel is a good price for MY budget, and then restore them.

I am not mad at those people that can buy NOS, I am happy for them, and love to see their cars. I also like to see the cars from the guys like me that don't have unlimited funds and put sweat equity into them. They are all Mopars after all.

moparnation74 said:

Lol, no one is upset here, just stating the truth.

Again you make assumptions on this guy who you don't know. However, some of us do know these people. You are wrong again on your limited knowledge and assumptions.

People that don't typically buy nos do not have a clue how rare these parts are and that equates to a rare part price...but they get upset just over the price..

I am not going to spend days searching for one post where you provided nothing....But it takes one second to find a bickering post from you or apostate where our need something.....Total user.....

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Im making assumptions from what you said. You are the one making a big deal out of this not me.
Now for the remark "Total User". Ive always held the belief it takes time to get to know a guy, and as good as i thought i knew you from at least here, i now know i was wrong. Consider this conversation over, and please ignore me and anything i may post from here on in.

Paul Boucher said:

Just my $0.02, I don't know the guy selling the item so I won't speak to his character or motive, and that really doesn't matter, but I see that price, and as a young guy with a wife and kid, I say holy crap! My Uncle, on the other hand, who used to own a Super Bird he restored himself and is now restoring a 70 convertible Challenger almost exclusively buys only NOS parts, but that's what he wants and he can afford to do that, and is not stupid for doing that, he just has the money.

My mom said, when I started collecting baseball cards years ago, something is only worth what someone is willing to pay for it. If you have the money and want it, buy it. If you don't have that type of money, like me, then don't buy it. It's pretty simple.

Most of these parts are not being remade and in NOS quality are extremely rare. The sellers know that and determine what they would like for it and list it. If someone has the money and buys it, then good for them for selling it at that price. If it doesn't sell then they may adjust the price or may decide not to sell it. Basic economics.

If you are like me and can't drop thousands on NOS parts, do like I do and look around and find the best quality part for the money you have. I personally like to find the deals that someone is selling cheap, but is in good condition and just needs to be polished or repainted, buy those at what I feel is a good price for MY budget, and then restore them.

I am not mad at those people that can buy NOS, I am happy for them, and love to see their cars. I also like to see the cars from the guys like me that don't have unlimited funds and put sweat equity into them. They are all Mopars after all.

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Paul, its the guys property and he dose as he pleases. Nobody is forced to pay what he wants. The thread seems to have taken a turn, for the worse of course. My whole point was look at the price for this and i have a good used one. Some seem to take offense because i said is the seller serious with the asking price. Frankly if one can afford to spend that kind of money, good for them. My personal thoughts are its a exorbitant amount of money but then again all i had to be told is that is what a NOS part costs. NOS or not id never spend that kind of my hard earned money on it, but thats me, to each his own.

Steve,

My opinion is that is crazy money for that part. Would I like to have a spare for Dads car? Sure, but not at that price.

Again, people can list stuff for any price they want. It doesn't mean that you have to buy it. If someone has that kind of money for it, well, I wish them the best.

You are right though..... yet another thread that took a turn for the worse.

steve from staten island said:

Im making assumptions from what you said. You are the one making a big deal out of this not me.
Now for the remark "Total User". Ive always held the belief it takes time to get to know a guy, and as good as i thought i knew you from at least here, i now know i was wrong. Consider this conversation over, and please ignore me and anything i may post from here on in.

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Lol...The more I saw you postings of your bs and what others have told me about you, they were correct all along...but I gave you the benefit of the doubt.....

Did you employ some trolls?

^^^^^^

Wow! Just wow!

you guys...seriously we are all mopar guys..
lets chillax and maybe step back a yard or ten?

as for Nos,i used to be naive and think it was " too much money "
but ive learned over the years,if you want the Best,
you will Pay the price.

I'm not sure where you guys are from but I don't even see kids into the "ricers" anymore, the kids I see around here are into 4wd trucks and diesels "rolling coal". I honestly see the 80's and up Camaros and mustangs coming back around here.

A kid from down the street who I watched grow up, never knew his name but seen him on his bike running around the neighborhood for that last 15 years. Came by the garage when I had the door open, over the summer, he just bought a 1992 Camaro and bought a crate engine for it from jegs. (blueprint 383 425hp, aluminum head, complete carb to pan), and wanted to know how much I wanted to put it in, he walked over and only lived down the road so we hopped on the golf cart and I swung by his place. The car is rock solid, someone already did a bunch of work, new trans, has a moser direct fit rear end, frame connectors, T-tops, nice paint and wheels, clean gut..

He got $10K to put a car on the road from his mother and step father and he paid $3500 for the car (with a blown engine) and $4000 for that motor, so he had $2500 left to put it in the car..

So I asked where he worked and he said he was getting ready for college and just worked for his mom but didn't get paid (nice kid). I talked to the mom nice women, she told me the shop around the corner (a friend of mine) told him $3000 to install the motor and she told him to get more than one price (small town, only 1 repair shop that will touch something like that). I told them I don't want to put the motor in BUT I have every tool to do it and lifts and hoists and the know how.

He was welcome to do it in my garage, but he was short some parts. So I looked at everything made a list and he got it all, it was the longest motor job I ever did, lol, I talked him into getting an FI tech for it with the money he was saving and we used the factory fuel pump (it didn't work, had to swap in a walbro, lol we cut a hole in the hatch area to do it, lol, and when we took it out it already had a hp pump but it was cooked up)..

the car ran good and now I see him out there with his buddies and they are burning up the street, he comes by to tell me how he is faster than everyone and I tell him not to do it on the street because someones gonna get hurt (I think its more fantasy bragging than anything else)..

But all the kids around here are either playing with 80s muscle or pickup trucks...

There are a few vws and subarus, but that is it, not a bunch of lowered Hondas on 13's running around the streets anymore..


we are a dying breed, but that is how the story goes, my cars still make me feel better about the sweat I bled to live all these years, so Ill keep them, my kids can trade them for turbo kias when I am gone if that is what they want to do, it wont make a difference to me...

moparnation74 said:

Lol...The more I saw you postings of your bs and what others have told me about you, they were correct all along...but I gave you the benefit of the doubt.....

Did you employ some trolls?

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Im sorry that my choice of words when i said "do the hobby a disservice offended you. However your verbal attack on me is unwarranted and unexpected. I do appreciate your advice and our many conversations both in the forums and via PM. Thanks and i will not be a bother to you from this point forward, i would only ask you do the same.