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Good Morning Everyone !!!

I have attached a couple of photos that outline the nature and purpose of this, my latest post.

I know the info I am looking for, is a little sensitive in nature, so if you are not comfortable in posting or sending me such info, I completely understand.
Should this be the case, please simply round off your numbers, to disguise and ensure the security of your actual numbers. Either way, the results for
me will be a big help. I will look forward to any such information you have along these lines, that will help me create a new & accurate '68 fender tag for
GTX...

With this additional data, I am hopeful upon my later review, to more accurately determine, the average number of cars that were produced on a daily basis
at the Lynch Road plant, back in '68. I can then also estimate with more accuracy -when my car rolled through the Lynch Road plant... using my partial VIN
instead of the usual (and unfortunately in my case) unknown 'Series' number, for this purpose.

To recap... after reading my comments below, I am asking for '68 Mopar owners who have identified that their rides were built at the 'Lynch Road' plant
by the method described below - to kindly share the 4 assoc. data fields [highlighted in red] blocks beneath my comments "MORE RESEARCH REQUIRED".

To date, my estimation of daily production, based upon only one known fender tag, dated May 9th 1968 - seems a little high to me.

More data, would be helpful in this regard.

Thank-you In Advance.

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Sorry to share a cold reality with you -- what you call the "series" number, more generally known as the VON (Vehicle Order Number) or SO (Shipping Order), never matches the VIN or the Production Date for 1968 models.

There is no pattern for 1968, no system, and the VON numbers are random. Only the VIN and the calendar will match (or nearly so), the VINs are chronological, and the VONs are not. They simple never match, and they can never match because there was no system and no relationship.

To be very specific -- in my database of BBodies built in '68 in St. Louis (nearly 900), the following is a list of confirmed VONs for cars dated one week before your 425 and one week after. The sequence is 098572, 099718, 290292, 105332, 296227, 391971, 297912, 217863, 192805, 194053, 095452, 257877, 188502, 115429, 205840, and 267604. Lynch Road did the same -- random, no system, no relationship to date or VIN.

If you are determined to recreate a tag then you would just make up a 6 digit number, since it's a fake tag anyway and done for entertainment purposes only. It isn't being presented as real, is it? You would not mount a fake tag (even if relatively accurate) and pass it off as real. Hope not.
 
Buy one off of an existing 68 that's being parted out. At least that's real even though it won't match your car. A fake one would be a worse parity.
 
Even if you had the correct VON, there is so much more info on the tag that you (presumably) wouldn't know. so you'd end up having to guess on much more than just the VON, no?
 
68X426 said:
Sorry to share a cold reality with you -- what you call the "series" number, more generally known as the VON (Vehicle Order Number) or SO (Shipping Order), never matches the VIN or the Production Date for 1968 models. True

There is no pattern for 1968, no system, and the VON numbers are random. Only the VIN and the calendar will match (or nearly so), the VINs are chronological, and the VONs are not. They simple never match, and they can never match because there was no system and no relationship. VIN and SPD will track pretty well. The SO is not entirely random. There is some method to the madness of assigning the SO number.

To be very specific -- in my database of BBodies built in '68 in St. Louis (nearly 900), the following is a list of confirmed VONs for cars dated one week before your 425 and one week after. The sequence is 098572, 099718, 290292, 105332, 296227, 391971, 297912, 217863, 192805, 194053, 095452, 257877, 188502, 115429, 205840, and 267604. Lynch Road did the same -- random, no system, no relationship to date or VIN.

If you are determined to recreate a tag then you would just make up a 6 digit number, since it's a fake tag anyway and done for entertainment purposes only. It isn't being presented as real, is it? You would not mount a fake tag (even if relatively accurate) and pass it off as real. Hope not. see below
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Good post.

To the OP. 68X brings up some very valid points and if I may add a couple of thoughts...

1) Given the controversial topic of remade/bad/fake fender tags, please determine exactly WHY making a tag for this car is important. Sometimes it is better to not have a tag than to have a bad/fake tag. If you search this forum, you will find numerous examples of good people paying good money for poorly remade tags and, in my estimation, doing more damage to the reputation of the car and owner than good. A search will reveal new owners getting burned by bad tags. Strongly consider the reason for having a tag made; especially one with no underlying documentation. Simply 'because I want one' is usually not a valid reason.

"Because I want one" typically causes people to hurry to make a tag and not do enough research to find out what was coded and when it was coded. People rely on tag makers for accurate tags. History tells me tag makers have little to no interest in accurate tags. They do not do the required research either and simply pop out a tag and cash the check.

2) If you believe the template posted above only lacks the SPD and SO number, then that info is the least of your worries. There are, to my belief, other errors already on the template. More research is needed on what was coded before proceeding with paying good money for a bad product. Each plant had specific ways of doing things. Look at only LR built cars and those built only around the time your car was built. What was or was not coded in August and September of the production year may or may not have been coded later in the year. Adding or deleting improper codes does not help.

3) You need to find more LR built Belvedere based (Belvedere, Satellite, Sport Satellites, Road Runners, GTXs) cars with a similar VIN to determine the SPD. Coronet based cars will help bracket the SPD, but you need Belvedere based cars to be accurate. Using an 'average' of cars built will not be accurate as production went up and down through the year.

4) Remember, any errors on the tag will raise a red flag on the car and your motivation as to why the car has a bad tag. Bad tags follow the car. Unless you intend to crush the car upon your death, somebody somewhere down the line will use the tag as 'documentation' for this car. Again, strongly consider the reason for having a tag made.

Reproduction tags can be made, but accurately making a tag, especially with no underlying documentation, takes time and proper research. If you are going to spend the money, take the time to do it right.

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GetX'd said:
Buy one off of an existing 68 that's being parted out. At least that's real even though it won't match your car.
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That will not work in this case.
 
Nothing but BAD vibes coming from this
 
Wow... after being away for quite some time, and reading your comments, I feel that it is necessary to clarify a few things here. First of all, when I bought the car back in 84, I didn't notice, the fender tag was missing. The car had been stripped for racing purposes, including the interior. Somewhere I suspect in the car's history, it had been ditched, and the front left outer & inner fenders were likely swapped out with junk yard replacements, less the fender tag. I came along, and bought the car, wanting to restore it to it's former glory. That's it, no other motive here. After a whole shitload of money spent, the car, is not looking too bad these days, BUT... it is still missing a fender tag. I found a broadcast sheet, under the rear bench seat, but it is clearly not associated to a GTX, so I suspect the rear seat was obtained from the junk yard, prior to my buying the car. I appreciate all of your comments! I was wanting some advise, from the FBBO user group - to do this properly. It was never my intention to create a false or 'bogus' fender tag. Quite the contrary. If I can't do this correctly, I won't do it at all. Period! I was simply hoping - through this post - I could eventually establish enough knowledge, and re-create an 'accurate' fender tag, worthy of my rare and highly revered 68 Plymouth GTX. I have yet to do so. When it comes time - to sell this ride, I will make no false claims surrounding the fender tag, or the lack thereof. fyi. Thank-you again for your comments and concerns. I do understand :)
 
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Make sure to bend the top left of the tag a little then straighten it after you put in one painted screw then the 2nd screw should be unpainted.

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once its gone
you can only create a fake tag
unless you somehow have a copy of the original tag available.
 
69Coronetrt said:
Is that correct for 68 Lynch Road tags?
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I have no idea, just have seen them like that many times and heard the explanation, made sense to me. Not sure if it was common practice in any or all factories.
 
Mine was missing but I did have the build sheet. Galen Govier certified my Sport Satellite. Since it is only a "fake" GTX, I didn't care that it didn't still have the fender tag. But I thought it would be cool to fake out the Chevy and Ford guys, so I found a "SPECIAL ORDER" tag online (I think they were used for fleet cars like taxis and police cars) and that is what I put on my fender.

Anyway, I think that SO numbers are stamped into the radiator cross brace in 1968.
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daytona kid said:
I have no idea, just have seen them like that many times and heard the explanation, made sense to me. Not sure if it was common practice in any or all factories.
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Each plant handled tags and coding differently. When working with fender tags, it's best to research a specific year, plant and time of year as coding did change during the production year.
 
As a follow-up to this post, please refer to contents within attached photo - to avoid word wrap issues, should Murphy kick in here. lol.
Since laying out this amended (and hopefully corrected) tag info - I have since checked out the rad mounting bracket and observed a
number on the top driver side...A8RA11710, which is nothing like I was expecting to see. Certainly not a 6 digit VON, from what I know
about such things... Concerning this latest rad # info; the additional contents attached, and my known pref. for diagram #1 - your comments are always welcome :)

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A11710 is the SO number. It starts with "A" because the car was built for sale in Canada.
 
Thank-you a tonne, my friend. I will now peel back the ds weather strip on trunk lip edge and compare #s to determine if the rad core support belongs on this car. There is hope, I can get this figured out yet... Will keep you posted. Now, if I can only zero in the the SPD, this could be worth doing correctly.
 
It's great that you have the SO #.

The only proper option is to leave the date blank. As in EMPTY, as in BLANK. Nothing there, everyone approves, and it is accurate and true.
 
68gtxman said:
Mine was missing but I did have the build sheet. Galen Govier certified my Sport Satellite. Since it is only a "fake" GTX, I didn't care that it didn't still have the fender tag. But I thought it would be cool to fake out the Chevy and Ford guys, so I found a "SPECIAL ORDER" tag online (I think they were used for fleet cars like taxis and police cars) and that is what I put on my fender.

Anyway, I think that SO numbers are stamped into the radiator cross brace in 1968.
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If my fender tag was missing, I would go for something like this one (posted by another member here some time ago)
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or maybe this one;
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or....
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:lol:
 
Kiwigtx...LMAO!:rofl: I'd go with the first or last one
 
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