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Race-Gas Additive

I had big pinging problems with my wife's 421 before the rebuild. Biggest problem was the timing was way too far advanced, and now it's 10:1 w/iron heads, no problem, but it was 11-something:1.
Point is I experimented and read up on a lot of products to resolve the problem, which the timing was the biggest culprit. Before I found the timing problem, 100 octane AV gas helped, but the fuel that fixed it was 110 octane Sunoco race fuel.
Mixing 110 race fuel with premium pump gas is relatively economical. Torco has rave reviews. 100 octane AV gas is what some stock compression HEMI owner friends of mine use mixed with premium pump gas. I have used Royal Purple booster which claims 3 NUMBERS increase AND treats ethanol laced fuel as well, and is $10/bottle.
Here is one list of 2017 "top 5" octane boosters: http://mycarneedsthis.com/the-best-octane-boosters-and-reviews/
I bought a 55 gallon drum of Sunoco 110 (has lead in it) and that mixed with premium pump gas would be my best quality choice.
 
I use torco I get it from the local bike shop for 30$ a can which will treat 5 gals to 104 octain true
 
13's to 9's in the 1/4 with just one bottle! If
you don't mind a little green on the plugs..

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I will let you guys in a "dirty little secret" from the octane booster industry. When the label says "raises octane 4 points" what it REALLY means (in almost all cases) is "raised octane 0.4 points (aka point 4) under ideal conditions". I would suggest running the highest octane rated pump gas you can find and spiking it with a good dose (maybe 1-2 gal. per quarter tank) of xylene. You can buy it at hardware stores in the paint department. It won't make the car any faster, but it will jack up "borderline" premium (like 91 octane) to something you can run on. Xylene is roughly 110 octane if I recall correctly... but has NO fuel detergent in it.
 
PurpleBeeper said:
I will let you guys in a "dirty little secret" from the octane booster industry. When the label says "raises octane 4 points" what it REALLY means (in almost all cases) is "raised octane 0.4 points (aka point 4) under ideal conditions". I would suggest running the highest octane rated pump gas you can find and spiking it with a good dose (maybe 1-2 gal. per quarter tank) of xylene. You can buy it at hardware stores in the paint department. It won't make the car any faster, but it will jack up "borderline" premium (like 91 octane) to something you can run on. Xylene is roughly 110 octane if I recall correctly... but has NO fuel detergent in it.
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Yep, Xylene or Toluene
 
wilmacmike said:
Will these fluids have more of a washing affect on the cylinder walls, cleaning them of the needed oil protection?
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I've never heard an issue using either one. As I've posted previously, I've been using Toluene in all my muscle cars/boats for the last 30years without issues. just don't get it on the paint.
 
how do you learn the quantities to mix the Toluene at? my older iron headed motor I was mixing rec 90 and race fuel to get 98-100 octane and it ran well. my new motor, 511" with aluminum heads supposedly was built for pump swill but at 11.2-1 I'm a little nervous to go too advanced on the timing but it seems every degree I go up, it runs better.

Im thinking a little insurance from a bit higher octane rating would help, just don't want to hurt something
 
wilmacmike said:
Will these fluids have more of a washing affect on the cylinder walls, cleaning them of the needed oil protection?
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I don't believe so. Gasoline contains both toluene & xylene already, just not very much of it. To me, the only real issue is that gasoline comes blended with a whole bunch of additives (mainly detergents) and xylene/toluene don't. You need a pretty good dose of either to see a good jump in octane, ballpark 20% of your total fuel. It's an old racer's trick.
 
Nobody has mentioned water/meth injection.They have proven that pump gas with W/m injection is like 110 to 112 octain equivalent.......................
 
HEMI-ITIS said:
Nobody has mentioned water/meth injection.They have proven that pump gas with W/m injection is like 110 to 112 octain equivalent.......................
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Well here goes, a very controversial subject is Hydrogen gas injection that I have been working with now for about 10 years.

Getting ready to send out another system to a fella in Connecticut to install on his Austin Healy with a Judson blower. He cannot keep it from pinging with the use of the blower now until he retards the timing way back. Obviously when the timing is retarded until the motor stops pinging he loses all of the bennifit / power of the blower.

With the Hydrogen injection he will be able to keep the timing up utilizing all of the power the blower adds to his powerplant without the destruction of the detonation.

I have heard of tests and have heard statements being made that Hydrogen kicks the octane level up to 140 points. I am still trying to determine this for myself. All I know is we have had very good results with blowers.
 
wilmacmike said:
Well here goes, a very controversial subject is Hydrogen gas injection that I have been working with now for about 10 years.

Getting ready to send out another system to a fella in Connecticut to install on his Austin Healy with a Judson blower. He cannot keep it from pinging with the use of the blower now until he retards the timing way back. Obviously when the timing is retarded until the motor stops pinging he loses all of the bennifit / power of the blower.

With the Hydrogen injection he will be able to keep the timing up utilizing all of the power the blower adds to his powerplant without the destruction of the detonation.

I have heard of tests and have heard statements being made that Hydrogen kicks the octane level up to 140 points. I am still trying to determine this for myself. All I know is we have had very good results with blowers.
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This is interesting for race applications. Does it use a tank of H2 in the trunk like nitrous oxide? For street use, is there a way to retard the to retard the timing electronically when the bottle runs empty? OR, are you using a hydrogen generator? If so, what do you renew the H2 generator with? I'm just curious.
 
PurpleBeeper said:
This is interesting for race applications. Does it use a tank of H2 in the trunk like nitrous oxide? For street use, is there a way to retard the to retard the timing electronically when the bottle runs empty? OR, are you using a hydrogen generator? If so, what do you renew the H2 generator with? I'm just curious.
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It is all done with an onboard Hydrogen generator. This is Hydrogen on demand, which means no high pressure storage tanks.
The amount of Hydrogen produced is kept constant for about 600 - 800 miles of driving. So for racing applications, you will not run out of Hydrogen like you would using a nitrous bottle. The generator lasts somewhere between 5 and 7 years. The Hydrogen eliminates the pinging when running greater timing (advanced timng) numbers. Being able to run higher compression as well as more advance is the reason for needing higher octane fuel. The Hydrogen introduced into the fuel system accomplishes what racing fuel additives provide, but with better results and additional benefits.
 
wilmacmike said:
It is all done with an onboard Hydrogen generator. This is Hydrogen on demand, which means no high pressure storage tanks.
The amount of Hydrogen produced is kept constant for about 600 - 800 miles of driving. So for racing applications, you will not run out of Hydrogen like you would using a nitrous bottle. The generator lasts somewhere between 5 and 7 years. The Hydrogen eliminates the pinging when running greater timing (advanced timng) numbers. Being able to run higher compression as well as more advance is the reason for needing higher octane fuel. The Hydrogen introduced into the fuel system accomplishes what racing fuel additives provide, but with better results and additional benefits.
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Lets see a pic of ur generator. I played w/ a hyd generator I built, all one summer, got 4 more mpg out of it, but ended up being too time consuming to me ! I know it will work, and wondering why it`s not catching on. Guess u have read the stories on the first guy that made it work on a dune buggy that drove clear across the U.S. in it, running nothing but water !?!
 
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