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Fake RR on Ebay

Oh and by the way thanks moparmark for posting this. Suspect cars should be brought to light as not everyone is an expert and someone on here might even be considering this car. Not that we should trash every car for sale out there, but we should try to help protect others from some of those less scrupulous sellers out there looking to rip people off.
 
item did not sell ended at $14550.00 it still is for sale at there web. site Sierraclassics.com they had sent all the tag photos but still waiting the vin. # stamp photo on the cowl they have it listed at $29000.00
 
Even if it is a real Roadrunner it’s not a $29,000 car. Nice car, but not that nice.
 
I know RC was trying to being funny but we also know he has/had more expensive, desirable B Bodies than most of us. There is some room to use some common sense here. I really like '71-72 RR GTXs. Any fakes of any car should be brought out and examined.
 
There must be a member on here that can lives close enough to go take a look at it??
 
Playing devils advocate here, what if the car didn't have a dash when the rebuild was done, what of they found a Sattys to put in its place or what if it was an old drag car that had the sway bars removed? Does that make it any less than what the vin states it is????
Im sure that's a different motor, does that change it to something other than what the vin states???
Seems like the only way is to verify the stampings...if they match...what sayeth the forum???

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Yes you are correct. There is a chance that this is a real RR body that was raced or parted. Then parts from a Satellite could have been used to put it back together. LCA's don't have any sway bar tabs. Don't know why someone would change those out. Has 8.25 rear not an 8.75. Think if raced they would have used the 8.75 unless maybe they used a Dana. Cluster along with the harness and plane Jane dash insert could have came from a Satellite. Yes very possible. Would really like to see the cowl and core numbers. That would tell the story.
Does the fender tag say N96???? If so then the A/C body and dash would not jive with an Air Grabber.
 
I whole heartedly agree with someone pointing out a non disclosed clone/fake. Some of us, myself included, are just not willing to spend the money for a concours quality car. So, to have a clone (fake is just an ugly word) is not a bad thing. Remember...to each his own. Pointing out the clone/fakes is helpful for people looking for a car that might not have quite the knowledge of what they should be looking for. We all have that friend that was sold on the pretty exterior, and never looked deeper or asked a friend who has more experience/knowledge to look at it with them. How my times have they later found stuff cobbed together.
To put it all together, posting these clone/fakes is a good tool for many. I just think it should be done with decorum. State the facts and leave the opinions (i.e: ruining the hobby) out of the posting. This is for everyones benefit, as some pockets are not as deep as others. In the end, a clone/fake drives the same and provides the driver with just as much joy.
 
Nothing wrong with clones but this isn't a clone. If the vin has been swapped then it is a bogus, illegal car. He is selling it as a real RR, not a clone. Big difference.
Problem with a car that has a swapped vin is that if the Feds find out about it they can and probably will impound the car and it will be crushed. Then they will go after everyone involved until they find who did the swap. All this is coming from a long conversion that I had with an FBI agent a few years back. Don't think that it doesn't happen because it does. They don't care if it is an 84 Yego, the law is the law and it is a Federal law so is country wide.
 
Yes, I agree misrepresenting a vehicle is a real asshat thing to do.
I do know that there are quite a few of our collectible mopars, chevys, fords, etc that have had the vin's swapped for various reasons. I am sure that because of this post that a whole bunch of folks checked their cowl numbers...including myself. You never know, and I didn't know previously that there was a cowl number. It makes me a smarter shopper when I am looking at these cars.
I think however it would be a foolish gesture to do anything to anybody that would result in any of these cars being crushed. Think of all the original parts that would be lost to us. Some people, for the right price, will completely rebuild a basket case. Now a car like that, unless the dash, frame, cowl, engine, transmission etc is retained and used, than the car is not original. Even so much as moving the vin from a trash dash to a better one would a swapped vin.
Where do we start and where do we stop ?
 
Agree it is a really fine line. Some states require permission just to R&R a vin just to have the dash pad redone such as on an E-body but I doubt very few ever do that.
As far as the car being crushed those were the words of an FBI agent but you'll see Vettes at Barrett Jackson being sold as rebodies and nobody gets into trouble over that. Sometimes I don't think there is even a line let alone crossing one.
The numbers are also on the core support.
 
I am very glad we have been able to have this discussion. It has helped me see other viewpoints.
Thanks Moprarmarks !
 
I knew NOTHING about Mopars when I found this car sitting on the side of the road. I was a Chevy guy until this car.:rolleyes:
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The seller told me it was a roadrunner and was asking just under 6k for it. I told him, no way due to the condition of the car. After 2 months of back and forth with the seller and no one contacting him, we agreed on 3500. A week after bringing the car home, going front to back inside and out and running the Vin. Turns out the car was a Sebring Plus. I asked the seller for 1000 back or I would give him the car back. I end up paying 2500 for the car, I'm satisfied.

Richard Cranium said:
Actually, the 71 & up B-bodies are more akin to an E-body. In fact, they really are oversized E-bodies.
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RC, you can pick on my 73 BEEEEEEEEE body, she won't melt. :nutkick::poke:
 
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PlagueOfBadgers said:
I knew NOTHING about Mopars when I found this car sitting on the side of the road. I was a Chevy guy until this car.:rolleyes:View attachment 670249
The seller told me it was a roadrunner and was asking just under 6k for it. I told him, no way due to the condition the car. After 2 months of back and forth with the seller and no one contacting him, we agreed on 3500. A week after bringing the car home, going front to back inside and out and running the Vin. Turns out the car was a Sebring Plus. I asked the seller for 1000 back or I would give him the car back. I end up paying 2500 for the car, I'm satisfied.


RC, you can pick on my 73 BEEEEEEEEE body, she won't melt. :nutkick::poke:
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That car looks like about 5 cars that I owned as a teenager in the 80's. :thumbsup:
 
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