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1964 rear drum brakes help

Evan Frucht

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1964 Plymouth fury with original tapered rear axle. 10 inch drums.

a week or so ago I noticed one rear wheel cylinder gave out and started leaking. so I got a couple of new rear cylinders, hardware kits, and shoes. had trouble getting the drum off and ended up buying a heavy duty puller to do so. now that its off I cant figure out what hardware I need for my rear brakes. I bought a couple hardware kits from rock auto hoping they would be correct but it seems like the springs don't quite match up or something. the pictures in my manual are a little confusing to go on, and also it seems someone has screwed with the brakes in the past. when I opened the drum 3 of the springs were broken, only 1 was intact. it also looks like whoever "rebuilt"---(screwed with) my rear brakes seems to have used the same hardware kit I have which makes this harder. if the original springs were still in there I could just take them to a place and have them matched up.

my main question are....

where can I get that tiny, almost oval shaped compression spring that goes on the end of that horizontal piece in between the shoes? it didn't come with the kit and mine is broken in two pieces (on the right side of the picture under that yellow spring, see 2nd zoomed in pic below for detail)

in the manual it shows a picture with self adjusters, mine did not have any self adjusters when I opened it up but in the manual it looks like it maybe it should? any thoughts on this?

HERE IS WHAT IT LOOKED LIKE WHEN I PULLED THE DRUM
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Napa should have what you need.

Heres a pic how my '62 was. (Driver side)
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This one had the self adjuster. Yours just had the spring over the "star wheel" to hold it from turning. They have to be adjusted by hand and works just fine. Take your springs even if they're broken to Napa and see if they can't match them up. Other than that, try Joe Suchy or find a parts car. Good luck.
 
Napa should have what you need.

Heres a pic how my '62 was. (Driver side)
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This one had the self adjuster. Yours just had the spring over the "star wheel" to hold it from turning. They have to be adjusted by hand and works just fine. Take your springs even if they're broken to Napa and see if they can't match them up. Other than that, try Joe Suchy or find a parts car. Good luck.

thanks, another thing is the hardware kit I have came with 3 springs total. 2 of those long yellow springs, and 1 even longer black spring--- the black spring seems to fit no where. oh well! did you get a new hardware kit or just retain the old hardware? if so what kit did you use or how did you get new hardware?
 
thanks, another thing is the hardware kit I have came with 3 springs total. 2 of those long yellow springs, and 1 even longer black spring--- the black spring seems to fit no where. oh well! did you get a new hardware kit or just retain the old hardware? if so what kit did you use or how did you get new hardware?

I changed my tapered axels out for the newer flanged axels. Then I changed the backing plates to the 1970 style with the forward adjustment set-up. The newer backing plates that I got had all the hardware already on them.
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I looked at what I have left over and I do have a couple of the springs that you need. I don't think I'm going to have the bottom spring that goes over the star wheel. I have the ones that go over the end of the bar and the black ones that are in front.

I see that we are on opposite sides of the country but if you fail in your search, I can send you what I have.
 
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Here is a picture of my 62 Plymouth rear brake assemblies w/ auto adjusters on the original tapered axles...
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You should be able to find the self adjusters (there is a L and R) and hardware on Rock Auto.com Without the self adjusters the adjustment wheel (also L and R) is held in place by a fat spring which is not included in any kit I have found. The oval spring was included in the kit I bought.
 
I used Napa brake parts kits from a Ford Ranger with 10 in brakes and the self adjusters.
 
Years back my '63 Plymouth didn't have the self-adjusters in when I started work on the rear. I did get what I needed from NAPA. I dropped the tapered shaft though installing a '65 Coronet rear perfect fit. Hope you have the brake hand tools otherwise it's a bitch to remove and set the springs in place.
 
I have a complete list of part numbers for all of the brake parts needed, saved it for the next project.
However, fbbo constantly fights back, it takes me dozens of attempts to post pics most times, and sometimes like today, never.
I'm on other forums and never an issue.
 
Holy Toledo, attempt # I lost count 30 minutes ago. Summit:
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And of course the only studs worth getting to eliminate having to use the hub puller ever again, once the hub is separated from the stock drum, NAPA part number BK 641-1128, that have a 0.623" knurl.
The drums I listed above will pull off just like any other drum brake setup.

I have power drum all around, and Dewey rebuilt my booster, it's not made anymore, add it to the list.
Adjusted with minimal effort, it stops beautifully.
 
Oh, last thing, I think, switching to the dual master is a life saver, literally.
Plug the existing distribution block to the rear, one line to that block is for the front, and the second line straight to the rear.
I used the no rust brake lines, forget what their called, look like copper.

This is all for my benefit as well, since I'll be doing it a second time.
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Here is a picture of my 62 Plymouth rear brake assemblies w/ auto adjusters on the original tapered axles...
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You should be able to find the self adjusters (there is a L and R) and hardware on Rock Auto.com Without the self adjusters the adjustment wheel (also L and R) is held in place by a fat spring which is not included in any kit I have found. The oval spring was included in the kit I bought.
where'd you buy that hardware kit?
 
Years back my '63 Plymouth didn't have the self-adjusters in when I started work on the rear. I did get what I needed from NAPA. I dropped the tapered shaft though installing a '65 Coronet rear perfect fit. Hope you have the brake hand tools otherwise it's a bitch to remove and set the springs in place.
thankfully I do have those tools, thx !
 
Also note, the star adjusters are different, between manual, and self-adjusting. Star wheel lugs for manual are wider teeth, for the spring itself to hold in place.
 
Here is a picture of my 62 Plymouth rear brake assemblies w/ auto adjusters on the original tapered axles...
View attachment 702134

You should be able to find the self adjusters (there is a L and R) and hardware on Rock Auto.com Without the self adjusters the adjustment wheel (also L and R) is held in place by a fat spring which is not included in any kit I have found. The oval spring was included in the kit I bought.
Where did you end up sourcing those white springs for the self adjusters? I bought self adjusters and another random drum brake kit and have everything EXCEPT those big springs for the self adjusters. if I could get some measurements I could go to this hardware store near me and get a very similar spring
 
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