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Rake or stance for Belevede or other bbody

Mr. Belvedere II

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How is this configuration attained? This is the stance I’d like for myself but I’m not sure how to go about it. My car is so much lower in the rear, in fact almost half my tire is below the fender edge at the wheel opening. How does one get that *** up nice and high like that???

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Could be air shocks, re-arched springs, shackle extenders or a combination of the three.
 
They look good that way and may be good for drag racing but it will surely handle better with less rake!
 
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They look good that way and may be good for drag racing but it will surely handle better with less rake!
Amen to that. My Firebird has an extra few inches added in the back and it doesn't handle very well. But the pizza-cutter front rims/tires and no front sway bar has a bit to do with that too...lol!
 
On a 66-67 I like the rear wheel well lip to be at the top of the rear wheel and the front of the car about 1 inches lower than the rear. To attain this you can use air shocks, but the old style coil over shocks do the trick provided your springs are in good shape. It also may require some adjustments on the torsion bars. If that is necessary an alignment is in order. With a 1" to a 1 1/2" rake the car will still handle good.
 
Only need to put some good springs on the rear, and drop the nose with a little with the torsion bars. Mine handles well.
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Had my leaf springs re-arched, big difference!
 
I love the rake as well, I don't give a **** that handling is compromised, because lets face it these cars even in ideal configuration handle poorly compared to modern vehicles. Its all about the look and sound.
Super stock springs, air shocks, or coilover shocks will get you there. The rake you want is going to occur at around a 20" to 22" shock extension (at least with a 67).
 
If you want the rake, my suggestion is to do it with re-arched springs rather than air shocks. The shock bracket on B-bodies isn't designed to "hold up" the car, just to dampen bumps. Too much pressure on it and bad things can happen.

From a handling perspective, I have almost completely stock suspension, including a stock front roll bar. With good shocks and a Firm Feel steering box, I am amazed how well my car handles. These cars can handle very decently, you just need to work on having suspension components in good shape and properly adjusted.

Hawk
 
If you want them to actually be fun to drive (and less dangerous, therefore), you get "rake" with the springs
and a little bit of torsion bar adjustment; the rest you get with tire diameter differential.
I like a little bit of rake over stock; mine is all tire with a touch of bar:
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These cars actually were known to some of the better handling cars of the day and they do drive pretty well
IF you don't go all crazy with aftermarket stuff. Mine, even with the factory springs and such, can be tossed
into a corner pretty quickly (just watch out for the tail to step out on you - these things will actually oversteer
near the limit without a rear sway bar on them!).
Rides beautifully, too - I always loved torsion bar ride over any of the GM stuff I owned in younger years.
No wallowing when you hit a bump or dip - you get the original impact, then solid straight again.

They sat pretty much dead level when new, so you could tell when the rear springs were worn out on them
from the droopy tail look:
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The factory engineers did that primarily to make the cars handle as neutral as possible
(or even with a bit of limit understeer) so that the average driver didn't as easily get in trouble.
Of course, this excludes factory drag packages and such, but for the mass produced vehicles,
a little understeer was thought to be easier for the average driver in emergency maneuvers.

That's still the case today, by the way - short of specifically built ultra high performance models,
factory engineers dial in a little of at the limit understeer in pretty much everything.
 
If you want the rake, my suggestion is to do it with re-arched springs rather than air shocks. The shock bracket on B-bodies isn't designed to "hold up" the car, just to dampen bumps. Too much pressure on it and bad things can happen.

From a handling perspective, I have almost completely stock suspension, including a stock front roll bar. With good shocks and a Firm Feel steering box, I am amazed how well my car handles. These cars can handle very decently, you just need to work on having suspension components in good shape and properly adjusted.

Hawk
Yes I’ve heard that before about the shock towers! So what does one tell a shop when you want your springs rearched? Is there a degree or curve number?
 
Spring companies such as Eaton or ESPO will help with what you want. They have a + - scale. Say you want 2'' above factory stock height,hence +2. I have used Eaton several times.Their price is on the high side about $500 pair shipped from Detroit. You may get a better deal from ESPO.Maybe someone will chime in that have bought from them.
 
How is this configuration attained? This is the stance I’d like for myself but I’m not sure how to go about it. My car is so much lower in the rear, in fact almost half my tire is below the fender edge at the wheel opening. How does one get that *** up nice and high like that???

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In the photo you posted, I see shackles added to that cars rear leaves. But they don't look long enough to get the 'total height' achieved by that car. I would guess there are air shocks under it as well.
You can temporarily get there with air shocks...drive it a bit to see how you like it (I find if I go too high, I feel like the seat is trying to dump me forward).
NOTE: Ride will be stiff with that much air.
By doing this as a 'test' you can play with the height before spending money on re-arching springs...to what you 'think' you want...only to find you don't like the results.
 
I like the fender lip on my '66 even with top of the wheel. A good spring shop can tell you the amount to add. If traction is a consideration, custom leaf combination is needed. The Espo springs that came on my '66 were a great ride height & provided good traction. The good spring shop can make your stock springs what you want. If the springs aren't shot.
 
Omg your paint is soooo sick! Love that color! And that is the stance I’m looking for, are those super stock springs??

Far as I can tell the SS springs varied quite a bit over the years in the arch/ height. Leaf package seemed to change.
 
The higher the rear end, the worse the handling will become and traction also goes away. For those that are worried about the rear shock mount, put a bottle jack on a scale at the rear bumper and see how much force is applied. It won't be real accurate because of where the jack is placed but it'll give you some kind of an idea how much will be applied at 1", 2" and so forth. It might surprise you and using air shocks for a 2" rise shouldn't put undo stress on the upper shock mount. I find it kinda odd that I've never had any issues with using air shocks and have used them on many cars. A 67 Dart was used as truck for years and even hauled a complete 383 to the other side of Houston once. Hauled lots of junk in that trunk :D. The shocks were aired up to the max just to level the car out lol.
 
As Cranky states air shocks will allow you to try different looks to find the one you like . I am 70 years old and have tried all the tricks listed , shackles not the best thing to use , super stock springs , depending on the poundage of the springs will give you my be to high . Air shocks are your best bet , they allow you to change the rake . Or you could replace your old springs , I rebuilt the front end and changed out the rear springs on a friends 67 car , it appears that his rear springs were dead and raised up the rear of his car to where his tire and rim was at the edge of the wheel well opening and no longer a tail dragger . Hope this helps , I have done all of them and air shocks worked the best for me . Just food for thought . Thanks John
 
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