Narrow Escape (Pit Bull)

Most affective thing I know of is skunk scent. You may stink for days but they hate it.

You need one of these to walk with, you can beat em with it and also shock them.

A pit bull is still just a dog. And it's re-acting to how it's perceived. If everyone bows? It will show dominance. So thought a pit bull in the neighborhood that would scare other neighbors and their pets. Her name was Mia. And she got more and more aggressive as people's fear grew. I had a male golden retriever. Louis was very nice to kids and smaller animals. Even tolerated cats. But a big male dog that displayed aggression? And Louie could get really mean. Because of Louie being papered pure bred. I never got him fixed. And his hunting skills were far better than mine. So he lived most his life as one of the 4 children we had. All around his relative age. Thus he believed he was just one of them. A very happy life. But he also believed he was "King Dick" And it was incredible how he held his own against dogs that were bigger with bigger teeth and bite.

One day, Mia corned my next door neighbors sheltie. And there was pandemonium in the neighborhood. Mia being about 70 lbs easily out powered the the sheltie. So I let Louie out and said. "Go break that up." Louie ran over promptly mounted Mia and began humping the hell out of her. She tried to escape and was screaming in fear. I ran over screaming at Louie. "WHAT THE HELL ARE YOU DOING?" He did release, and Mia ran home.

I always believed Louie was not trying to actually impregnated Mia, but showing dominance in the only way he knew how to an aggressive female dog. For those who witnessed the event. Half laugh and applaud Louie. Other half believed my dog was a rapist. Even when I tried to explain that's not how dogs think. Mia? Was far more respectful after that incident. And would never come in my yard. Even after Louie passed at the ripe old age of 14.

My neighbors and their dog are dumber than that. Their bitch was over last summer and then gone till yesterday. Guess they like puppy's.

that earlier graph was a BS account of biting dogs

https://www.caninejournal.com/dog-bite-statistics/

good to hear & see you & your dog are OK

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Disclaimer; bare with me, I have a lot to add/say-
it's not intended to piss anyone off not even the OP;
OK what I have to say next will rile & piss some people off
but some obviously need to educate themselves

I'm not gong to blame you, per say...
BUT;
Just maybe if you took a different route, be proactive,
I assume that you're a relatively intelligent/smart guy
you could avoid the aggressive dogs, "pits" , all together
or get something done with the owners, "that part is your responsibility"
the rest is all on you, you know the dogs are there & still chose push it,
you reiterated several times in your org. post, that you still chose to
walk your dog on that route, tempting fate & your dog's Mia's life in jeopardy
because you're too stubborn or think it's some god given right, to walk that route...
Be smart...
That's up to you...

Then after I talked to the owners of the so called "pits", if it isn't resolved,
then talk to the authorities, or have them there when you confront the "pit's owners"
I'm pretty damn sure, "even Mexico" has to have some sort of dog laws
& then if nothing happened after that, only after I went down the legal route 1st...
Then I would take action into my own hands...
You are the human in the equation, supposed to be the top of the
thinking & reasoning ability, you're not an animal in mentality,
use your brain...

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I have a CCW too....
mr. 1911 Combat Commander if need be, I will use deadly force

A good long walking sick or I carry a golf club sometimes
both works well too, I run across dogs off leash too
(my lab Elvis is young male/intact & can be very protective or even
territorial big-time, he's game to fight, I don't want him too be, it's their dogs are off leash
& I don't need a vet bill or have to cover the other dogs vet bills etc.,
it's usually some little ankle bitter or a couple aggressive larger breed dogs)
& the walking stick or club seems to do the job...
A quick whack to the ribs, ***, nose or balls/gentiles if necessary,
if that's not working...
I go home & go back to talk to the owners...
If that doesn't work, I take matters into my own hands,
get Johnny law involved, I usually don't need to go that route
or I will just walk a different route...

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My family is a dog family, we all have dogs
of many different breeds, my oldest sister Lori is a veterinarian
I'm a big Lab guy, a real dog lover...
I've also had quite a few American Staffordshire & Bull Terriers
a few as pets & quite a few as rescues
people always assumed they were "Pits" too,
some people are clueless
they are more of the sweetest & most loyal dogs you will ever see/know,
great family dogs too, that love & protect their kids/family

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there are no bad breeds, only bad owners
don't be part of the problems & spread bad/wrong propaganda...

Just saying "PITS" are all bad (like before most aren't even pits)
shows how much you really don't know about dogs or the breeds

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In my experience, the most aggressive breeds I've been around are
larger breeds;
Shepherds, Dobermans, Rottweilers, Chows, Boxers, Belgian's too
I've had experience with all the above too

I knew people ( & including my sister & neice)
with German Shepherd & Belgain's, that can be & are known bitters/nippers
you really have to be careful around them, they're some of the best dogs too

I had a buddy that has Chows, that were shockingly aggressive
I always though they were calm gentle dogs, I was wrong

I have an Aunt that has a guard dogs business, she has shepherd's, dobby's & rott's
they are all extremely aggressive, trained to be, easy to make aggressive too...
IMO, Most all German breed dogs are...
I can do almost anything with them, you have to show no fear,
they sense it for damn sure...
I'm one of the only people that doesn't work for her,
that can be around them, without getting scared or mauled...
She calls me Dr. Dolittle , I'm just a dog guy...

My grandfather on my moms side had a bitch Dobby,
that bit me at-least dozen times before that bitch finally died
she was never provoked, I am a real dog person, she was just a bitter...
His next bitch dobby, was a total pussy, go figure...

Dobby's "allegedly" get a deal where their brain swells or grows
too big for their skull & they can become aggressive with age...

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I blame the owners 99%, more than the dogs

midsize breeds;
almost any midsize cattle dog breed are bitters/nippers,
healers It's in the name even, they go behind to herd & nip/heal
they do it with children or even adults too, part of their DNA/breed/brain
Australian Shepherds, Queensland Healers etc.

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small dogs
like Chihuahua, Dachshund & most any small Terrier breeds
many are not big enough or scary enough, so they are under rated,
or don't have all the bad press "wrongly identified dogs, like Pit Bull terminology"
so the little ankle bitters are way under reported but "actually" bite far more people
than any of the larger breeds
but;
there's no needless paranoia about any of them...
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FACT;
There's a fear factor with Pit bulls, they get a bad rap...
( Pit Bull or just Pit breeds; a term that is highly overused (many times wrongly identified)
to describe a select breed of dog, most of which aren't pit-bulls, many are mix breeds
that get wrongly put into the "Pit" category, it's the media perception & uneducated people,
that assume the dogs are "pits", because they only assume it, all because they look like a "pit",
it's them that throw off the states/media BS that do most of it, they do a get a bad rap
& YES some can be aggressive, it's not the breed as a hole)

Owners their lifestyles, inner-shitty thug or gang mentality
or lack of any real training, are the problem 99.9% of the time

Thank God everyone is all right first of all!! My understanding is pitbulls are one breed that is not covered by most home owners insurances. Nice or not, their reputation is usually negative. For the record, I'm a major dog lover and like dogs more than most people. You should carry wasp spray or a police batton. I carry a 380.

flypaper said:

Look at my location
You have to be a LEO or retired LEO
Or judge to be able to CCW.
So just having the gun
Will net you YEARS in jail..
Simply put
You cannot be a cowboy around here..
You Use a pipe and stay out of jail..

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...or you move to a state that still observes our Constitution.

Keep in mind, dogs like THIS get lumped in as Pit Bulls:

This is a King Corso. They can grow to be 150 lbs, sometimes more. A genuine Pit Bull rarely is over 70 lbs unless it is a mixed breed.
Again, sorry for the unfortunate situation. A man should be free to walk without fear for himself or his pet but referring to all aggressive dogs as "Pit Bull" is the equivalent of saying that ALL Blacks are lazy, ALL Asians are terrible drivers, ALL Mexicans steal, ALL Jewish people are greedy, etc.

Budnicks said:

that earlier graph was a BS account of biting dogs
https://www.caninejournal.com/dog-bite-statistics/

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Nothing "BS" about that graph I posted, sir - but I believe you're misinterpreting it.
It depicts HUMAN DEATHS by dog breeds over a long period of time.
This information is easily researched online.
Your rebuttal reflects breeds most likely to BITE.
World of difference in some cases - but I do note most of the same breeds occupy both sets of statistics, too.

In regards to the various sub-breeds of the common "pit bull" (and some other breeds as well, make no mistake),
one of the original reasons that breed was bred to begin with was for notably aggressive behavior - first with
bulls, bears, that sort of big animal and later after that, when it was discovered how well they fought, that became
the focus of breeders. in the 1800's.
They're also known to be fiercely loyal to their human owners.
It is in their DNA to be the way they are and nobody should be shocked when they revert to their true
nature.
They are animals, after all, and lack the ability to reason, to work things out logically. Insticts rule, sometimes
years after their showing no aggressive behavior at all.
In short, there are exceptions, but it is fully within their programming to be 4 legged time bombs and nobody
should be shocked when they go off.

Facts and statistics don't lie - they are, far and away, the most dangerous breed of dog in this country.
That fact is only amplified by the idiotic misuse of those "weapons".
Yes, they're status symbols amongst the "hood types and gangstas of any color.
In those immature hands, they're even more dangerous as a result.

You mention Chows - those are quite aggressive as well, and quite adept fighters too. After all, that's what they
were bred to be in the beginning, too.

In the end, the human owners of animals should and must be held solely responsible for their animals' behavior -
because they ARE.
If an owner is negligent and allows their dangerous animal to roam free, they must be held just as responsible as
someone who negligently discharges a firearm and wounds/kills another.

A quick little story of my own experience:
First, know that I too am quite the dog lover; we've adopted strays and such out here on the ridge for decades now.
Big ones, little ones, abused ones, we've had them all out here and thankfully, we've never had issue with one of
them harming anyone.
Dogs usually gravitate to me; I can make friends with most of them almost instantly.

One day at Lowes, however, we were in the main aisle in the front of the store, the wife and I, and were conversing
with a store employee casually when "Mr. Hat Backwards" and a female companion came up the aisle we were in
front of.
MHB had, on a leash, a full breed pit bull of beautiful markings. Dude made a beeline for the employee, I assumed to
ask for help.
I could sense right away the dog was trouble - ears back, head down, bristling fur on the back of its' neck,
so I took a couple steps away and quietly grabbed my wife's arm as I did, pulling her behind me.
Just then, the dog lunged at the employee, who quickly retreated just as the dog ran out of leash.
The idiot owner jerked the dog back by its' spiked collar and leash, yelling at it...then looked at me.

I had brushed my sweatshirt back and my hand was on the grip of my PPQ, now exposed and ready to draw.
MHB gives me a smirk and says all tough like "you shoot my dog, I come at you, bro".
I replied calmly, still eyeing the dog: "then you would have been next".
The smirk left his face as he realized I wasn't playing...
Dude spits out a bunch of garbage, the female yanking at him, begging him to leave, which he finally does.

Again, humans are responsible for everything dangerous in their control, be it animal or otherwise.
The last thing I'd ever want to do is harm a dog, having spent most of my life helping them - but if necessary,
I will.

well I guess we can agree to disagree

moparedtn said:

Nothing "BS" about that graph I posted, sir - but I believe you're misinterpreting it.
It depicts HUMAN DEATHS by dog breeds over a long period of time.
This information is easily researched online.
Your rebuttal reflects breeds most likely to BITE.
World of difference in some cases - but I do note most of the same breeds occupy both sets of statistics, too.

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Budnicks said:

well I guess we can agree to disagree

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I didn't know we did?

im not saying you shouldnt defend yourself.
im saying he should go talk to the owner before he or someone else in the neighborhood gets hurt.
and if that doesnt work,he mgiht be able to get ahold of one of those cattle prods like someone posted.
then at least he can defend himself in a nonlethal way.....?

and i completely agree about the chows,that was a pretty interesting reply TN and Budniks.
i raised an entire family of blue chows and the mother was one of the most dangerous dogs ive ever seen.
unbelieveably loyal to select family and lethal to anyone else.
when she was outside,id keep her on a chain you would use for towing trucks,
with a chain choke because anything else and shed slip it or break it.
she wasnt that big either but she was determined.

ive also been bitten before by a pit bull,
whos owner sicced him on me as i rode past him on the town sidewalk.
that was brutal,and i got fairly lucky there,
the dog only got a bit of a latch on my leg and i managed to tear away.
i promptly called the cops and it turned out the guy was a murder suspect and the cops had been looking for him...go figure why the dog was like that.

and kerns picture of a king corso,that thing..looks terrifying.
i cant understand how that type of dog is allowed or bred...it looks almost uncontrollable.
i love my pitt,but even i would say shes strong even for how old she is,
and shes about half the size of that monster.

Thank God everyone is all right first of all!! My understanding is pitbulls are one breed that is not covered by most home owners insurances. Nice or not, their reputation is usually negative.

this is truth,thats how i ended up on the mountain,
i went looking for a place outside of the town i was living in,
because after they got mad at me for painting my car i figured it might be time,
i discovered that literally No-one will rent you a house or whatever,
if you have a pitbull,even After meeting her,Because of the insurance.

on the flip side,
sometimes,when im buying cars and trucks,ive noticed the pets look like their owners.
esp the ones with the ankle biters.

BeatersRus said:

ive noticed the pets look like their owners.
esp the ones with the ankle biters.

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Here I disagree. My Golden Retriever was better looking than me.

When I was 24 my dad would walk 3 miles a day. One day while I was over he asked me if he could take my pit with him on his walk. He said there was a Doberman that was allowed to run and it would jump out and then the owner would come running out and call it off. I went with him on his walk with Butch. As were walking past the house we heard the dobie coming. I didn't have a leash on butch. The dobie hit Butch from behind, Butch spun around and grabbed that thing in midair and slammed it to the ground. I called Butch off and he stopped immediately! The owner ran out of his house yelling, I went after him and my dad called me off, I stopped immediately. My dad then explained to this idiot that the next time, Butch won't be called off. My dad never had a problem again. My family had had 13 pits from the later 70's through the late 90's. We never had an issue. Now with PEOPLE ruining the breed ( as they tend to ruin all for money) I would not own one now. I still love and respect the breed as a whole, unfortunately I have no respect for the people who have caused this.

BeatersRus said:

and i completely agree about the chows,that was a pretty interesting reply TN and Budniks.
i raised an entire family of blue chows and the mother was one of the most dangerous dogs ive ever seen.
unbelieveably loyal to select family and lethal to anyone else.
when she was outside,id keep her on a chain you would use for towing trucks,
with a chain choke because anything else and shed slip it or break it.
she wasnt that big either but she was determined.

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I do love dogs



Yeah; I had an Akita "Bear" 150#+ male,
young maybe 2 y/o or so the org. that rescued him think
(from Anchorage)...
I only had him for a short time, we fostered him like 6+ months (?)
we tried to get the aggression out of him, we sort of did...
It was hell on me, to adopt him out, but he needed more room...
I had 2 dogs already, that he got along with great...
'The Pack' mentality maybe (?) calmed him...

He was 100 times better than, when we got him...
He was really bitty, nippy when I 1st started working with him...
It took a month or so to gain full trust...
A few times I was wondering if he could be tamed...
He was a good boy, but only for a select few...

Unfortunately he had 2 years or more of abuse,
by a woman (we think) some reason he did not like girls or women,
that's the only thing/reason, I could think why...
Most dogs love ladies...

But he was great around me, really affectionate
always wanting his ears rubbed & laying leaning against me
& the guy he ended up with (a friend Dave) were the only people
he seemed to like...

"Bear" came from an abused household, chained for a long time
on a really short chain, very territorial...

I gave him to a guy/friend who had an Ice Co. in Concord Ca.
he was the guard dog more or less, he loved laying under the trucks
that was his chosen place, it seemed fitting to have him stay there...
Dave the guy who adopted him loved him & visa versa...
But me & Dave were pretty-much the only people,
I would trust him being around...
Bear lived to 19 years old, got to like 190#'s when he was filled out,
he loved the job he had at the ice plant, did it very well...
That was his domain, you could open the gate
& he or anyone else wouldn't go past that line of the gate,
it was his place...
Never ever on a chain again, stayed in that 1 acre yard...
He did very well, was cared for very well...

I don't know what his name was originally,
I named him Bear
when he stood up on his back feet & looked over the top of a
6' wood dog eared fence, his head looked just like a 'Bears head'
he responded to the name almost immediately...

He kind of looked like me, strange