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What a car worth ???

John Langley

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So I have butch leals 1982 pro stock car
Built by willie Rails in 1982 for butch Leal !! It still has a hemi in it but has not been run or raced in many years !
Butch came and looked at the car at the nationals and confirmed it was his old car ! Had offers that fizzled out on the car after the show was over ! But in a open forum what price it a piece of mopar history worth ????
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Put it back together and make it look like it did when Butch was racing it.....and then race it!! But if you're just wanting to sell it, tally up what it would take to build it from Scratch then divide that sum in 1/2!
 
what did you do John,inherit a cool warehouse fulla mopar goodies?
you keep coming up with the most awesome pieces left and right.
and this car!!
sheesh,Nice Find!!
thats a piece of mopar history there.
whatever you do,Dont part it out!
sell it to someone who will restore it.
cheers,Rob
 
I mean no dis-respect. A car is only worth what someone is willing to pay.Several + years ago a friend bought a Sox&Martin 68 Cuda. He paid $286K.at auction. Market was high at the time and people were spending money. After 5 years he decided to let it go.He had hopes of breaking even. Max bid was $168. If you follow market trends you may get lucky if your intentions are to flip.To someone the car can be priceless.To others it maybe a gamble investment.
Cranky has a good point. Is it worth it to you to do it up as when Mr. Leal raced it ? Are you into history ? The Sox car went to a private collection. The new owner said it will never be seen again.Sad. I for one would love to see it as raced in Butch's hay day !
You Are a lucky man to own a piece of history.
 
Well I am not the lucky guy to if owned it !! I am representing it for the owners !! I have to sell it ! I had a offer of 45k
And now he wants to say it’s not worth it! I am only wanting to sell the car for the family! I personally am not in a position to own it myself or I would have bought it ! A while back ! I want to figure out a real price on the car ! I have two hemis one a true Rod shop motor !! The other is a 68 date coded
Hemi that is in the car as it sits !
 
if it was me id let the Rod shop motor go with the racecar and make someones 68 hemicar complete again
the 68 date code hemi is worth quite a bit by itself.
you would make max cash i think that way.
 
Well I am not the lucky guy to if owned it !! I am representing it for the owners !! I have to sell it ! I had a offer of 45k
And now he wants to say it’s not worth it! I am only wanting to sell the car for the family! I personally am not in a position to own it myself or I would have bought it ! A while back ! I want to figure out a real price on the car ! I have two hemis one a true Rod shop motor !! The other is a 68 date coded
Hemi that is in the car as it sits !

My initial thought was $40-50K. Between the drivetrain and the history, I think it's worth every bit of $45K
 
Now I see. Look at it as the sum of the whole. Hemi Engine has to be at least $15k in todays money.More if you can get it to run.
What transmission ? Lenco ? Just a guess $5-6K ? Rear can be another $3-4K. What's a tube frame and cage worth to have done today ?I have no idea, maybe $10K ? The least expensive part on the car will be the body panels. Add up the rest of the parts and you can come up with that figure of $40-45K. Now finding someone to pay that is the hard part.It can be done.
 
with the extra rod shop motor & to the guy that wants to collect these type of cars or race them 75-80k all day. maybe call Todd weiner:thumbsup:
 
Clean it up and get it running, that, in my opinion would make it more desirable. I'm with BeaterRus about the 68 date coded block, throw the Rod Shop mill in the car and pull the date coded Hemi out, would be nice to see it between the shock towers of a real deal 68/69 Hemi car...
It's your thing, do what ya wanna do.
 
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To me it's about catching the right guy at the right time. To most people there are parts that mean more to some than others, engine, body, history. Your looking for the perfect storm.
 
It's cool and all but sadly might be worth more parted .
That's a big nut to spend make it into smaller nuts then you'll get more buyers give to option to buy together but honestly I probably wouldn't give more then $35k for everything even though it's worth it in parts that's just alot of cash !
 
disclaimer;
Please don't take any of what said personally
not meant to offend or degrade anything


remember you asked for opinions :poke:

it's a DAMN Cool old car

Is all the car there ?
or maybe better to ask what's not there ?

that's what a real interested buyer wants to know
if you're trying to market it as Butch Leal's old 82 P/S Charger

if most the org. stuff isn't there, it's hard to say it's his old P/S car
it's basically just a an old racecar chassis, with some history

how much has been altered from when (Larry) Butch Leal campaigned it ?

won't really ever know
(edited; & sorry
internet rumor BS, wasn't confirmed "allegedly False" & I am out of date)

obviously it's not the org. engine

does it still have any of the org. running gear,
rear, trans, can, clutch, seat, peddles
or any verifiable documentation

did you get something from Butch, to say it was "actually his old car"
especially in writing

It's a cool car...
the car has history too
unfortunately it doesn't look like the California Flash anymore
some of that history is lost

Price is so arbitrary, especially in the car hobby
& especially ex-racecars, especially if their outdated sfi certs etc.
everyone wants a deal
everyone will have an opinion

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sorry I have no real good opinion on value

please don't take what I'm about to say or have already said
the wrong way
it's not meant to insult you, the owner or the car
(I'd love to have/own it, but I'm not in the market either)

to me $45k for a chassis & none org. combos
(outdated old P/S or sfi certs etc.) is a tad high
combined value may be that much, but it's not org. stuff
so it's a $0.50 cents on the dollar for old race stuff, if your lucky
the Hemi engines do have good value thou too
(I'm sure you know you advertise & try sell old race stuff here, all the time)
UNLESS
without some of the real Butch Leal's 'documentation'
or some or most of the historic Iconic 'as run' race parts
(it's just another old racecar, sorry not meant to be a downer, just honest)
with the car to make it what it was, or it's just another old racecar chassis
from that era don't sell for a lot on $$$,
good proven rolling chassis, current certs etc., for $10k-$15k all day long
especially if it's with out all the (org.) parts to back it up


by the way it's Willy Rells, chassis builder
he was one of his builders (San Diego area Chassis Dynamics (?)
maybe contact them, he maybe can tell you more

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in 83 he was campaigning/running
a Pontiac Trans Am Rod shop black car
as seen here at Ontario OCIR 6-25-1983
I saw it in person


not sure how long Butch ran or owned the in question Charger
he was running a Camaro in 1981 IIRC

Good Luck,
I hope it all does well for you
& it's current owner
 
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disclaimer;
Please don't take any of what said personally
not meant to offend or degrade anything


remember you asked for opinions :poke:

it's a DAMN Cool old car

Is all the car there ?
or maybe better to ask what's not there ?

that's what a real interested buyer wants to know
if you're trying to market it as Butch Leal's old 82 P/S Charger

if most the org. stuff isn't there, it's hard to say it's his old P/S car
it's basically just a an old racecar chassis, with some history

how much has been altered from when (Larry) Butch Leal campaigned it ?
won't really know, Butch is gone since 2011-12 (?)

obviously it's not the org. engine

does it still have any of the org. running gear,
rear, trans, can, clutch, seat, peddles
or any verifiable documentation

did you get something from Butch, to say it was "actually his old car"
especially in writing

It's a cool car...
the car has history too
unfortunately it doesn't look like the California Flash anymore
some of that history is lost

Price is so arbitrary, especially in the car hobby
& especially ex-racecars, especially if their outdated sfi certs etc.
everyone wants a deal
everyone will have an opinion

-----------------------------------------------------------------

sorry I have no real good opinion on value

please don't take what I'm about to say or have already said
the wrong way
it's not meant to insult you, the owner or the car
(I'd love to have/own it, but I'm not in the market either)

to me $45k for a chassis & none org. combos
(outdated old P/S or sfi certs etc.) is a tad high
combined value may be that much, but it's not org. stuff
so it's a $0.50 cents on the dollar for old race stuff, if your lucky
the Hemi engines do have good value thou too
(I'm sure you know you advertise & try sell old race stuff here, all the time)
UNLESS
without some of the real Butch Leal's 'documentation'
or some or most of the historic Iconic 'as run' race parts
(it's just another old racecar, sorry not meant to be a downer, just honest)
with the car to make it what it was, or it's just another old racecar chassis
from that era don't sell for a lot on $$$,
good proven rolling chassis, current certs etc., for $10k-$15k all day long
especially if it's with out all the (org.) parts to back it up


by the way it's Willy Rells, chassis builder
he was one of his builders (San Diego area Chassis Dynamics (?)
maybe contact them, he maybe can tell you more

--------------------------------------------------------------

in 83 he was campaigning/running
a Pontiac Trans Am Rod shop black car
as seen here at Ontario OCIR 6-25-1983
I saw it in person


not sure how long Butch ran or owned the in question Charger
he was running a Camaro in 1981 IIRC

Good Luck,
I hope it all does well for you
& it's current owner

Well over the nationals weekend Butch
Came and sit in the car and verifying it was the car that he had built !! He is also trying to find guys to buy the car !!
But he has no interest in buying himself! But yes it was his car ! It has a hemi with a power glide in it now ! The rod shop motor is on the ground! 45-50
Is where I am trying to land with both motors ! Car needs attention for sure !
But who owned it and raced it is not in question!! The man himself told me and the family it was his old car !!
 
Well over the nationals weekend Butch
Came and sit in the car and verifying it was the car that he had built !! He is also trying to find guys to buy the car !!
But he has no interest in buying himself! But yes it was his car ! It has a hemi with a power glide in it now ! The rod shop motor is on the ground! 45-50
Is where I am trying to land with both motors ! Car needs attention for sure !
But who owned it and raced it is not in question!! The man himself told me and the family it was his old car !!
I read somewhere (I thought was viable) that
he had passed in like 2011-2012 {IIRC}

I'm truly sorry, for any confusion

oh well another "allegedly" false internet report,

I fell for it hook line & sinker
reel me in buba'

thought he has been gone for years now
 
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still everything I wrote was still correct
I stand by what I wrote

(except him being gone, I edited/added to that part)

whether you want to use any of it as good opinion
is all up to you

I'm not trying to say it isn't his either

again:
did he write anything down ?,
in print on paper ? in his own hand writing ?
or any documentation stating as such ?,
that it is his old car ?
is there a chassis # or chassis tag (some reputable builder do it)
or any old sfi certs etc. (as proof)

I believe you, I don't have any reason not to

BUT;
not him just saying 'it is his, just verbally'
most people that are spending near $40k+ - $50k or more
are gonna' want more then hearsay...
They will want proof
did you take photos of him in the car ?
hopefully you got something saying it is his, other than verbally

I'm done, said what I needed to say
I wish you & the owners the best
get a good price, someone save the car,
bring it back to it's former glory

good luck
 
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