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Torque Converter Issues

ksurfer2

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So the plan this weekend was to swap out my tired torqueflight for a brand new unit from John Cope in my 69 RR. I am using the same torque converter that I installed last year after the rebuild of my 440. As you can see from the photos, it is not seating nearly far enough in the trans. There are no distinct "clunks" as the converter seats in the trans. I fought with this for over an hour and could not make any progress.
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In fact, I cannot even get it to seat back in the trans it came out of. It is a Hughes 2800 rpm unit. What gives? Is the converter bad? Time for a new one?
 
Any chance your old trans was a 66? Splines are different so convertor won't fit.
 
it should go work.
 
66 different than 67 up. I usually line up pump teeth to 12 and 6, then twist and push for a few minutes, should work if the correct # of splines
 
Any chance your old trans was a 66? Splines are different so convertor won't fit.
I just checked my order history from Summit. The converter I ordered was a 24 spline. There is nothing on the order forms from CRT Transmisssions that indicate how many splines, but I did indicate that it was for a 69 RR.
 
I just checked my order history from Summit. The converter I ordered was a 24 spline. There is nothing on the order forms from CRT Transmisssions that indicate how many splines, but I did indicate that it was for a 69 RR.
All things being equal between the two transmissions, the 24 spline should fit. Right?
 
In fact, I cannot even get it to seat back in the trans it came out of

It just needs more trial and error if this is the case. Nothings bad, you'll get it. Mopar_3_B's idea is probably the easiest, but look at the ears inside the trans front pump and at the outside edge of the converter for any damage too.

BTW, your fisheye lens is really screwin with my head.
 
Count the spines. If they are the same, hold moderate pressure against the torque converter not a lot of pressure, while turning. Should drop in when things line up.
 
Some times it takes LOTS of tries. Look to see where the lugs are to get a starting point. Slide in, pull back slightly, rotate slightly, push again get the first clunk then do it again. The second (full spline engagement) is the tricky one. Pic shows you're not even close to getting the lugs engaged. When you are rotating the converter be sure there's no pressure on the lugs to rotate the along with the converter. Keep trying!
 
Lift up on the pilot hub. While pushing in gently spin the converter with the other hand.
Doug
 
This morning, I took another shot at it. First, I set the pump lugs to 12 and 6. I set the converter on and it slid all the way into place with, literally, zero effort. Thanks for all the advice. I wish I had done that yesterday...it would have saved a lot of time and even more swearing!
 
I think we have all been there done that
forcing = failure
BTW
late converter and pump with the flat sides area better and have more pump flow
 
Line up the bolt holes on the converter with the flex plate and mark the position where all the bolt holes line up, before you put the convertor and trans back in the car. Save some more frustration.
 
Wrapped up the install of the new trans in my RR on Saturday. Of course, everything takes 3 times longer than I planned. What was supposed to be a day and a half project, turned into a 3 day project. For the most part everything went very smoothly (with the exception of fitting the torque converter). Doing the work in my driveway, I was using my new Liftjacks (see thread about them in the tools section). Honestly, I don't know how anyone without access to a real lift could do this job without them. They made life soooo much easier. Having a real transmission jack would have made the job easier too, but I got by with my floor jack and a homemade dolly that I could roll the trans around on and was just big enough that I could position the jack under the dolly and life the whole thing up and into place. Two snafu's that I ran into...first, the f'ing needle bearings in the driveshaft universal. When jostling the driveshaft around to get it into place, one of the "covers" slipped off and dislodged all the needle bearings it contains. That is an hour of my life I will never get back as I tried to get all those little f'ers back into place. Second snafu...after getting everything back into place, double checked every bolt, adjusted all the linkages and filled with fluid, it was time to start. With Rear end on jackstands, fired up and ran through the gears. Perfection! Until....I turn off the motor and there is a big puddle of fluid. Dammit!!!! No signs of leaks anywhere though. Not a trace of fluid from the pan, dipstick, bellhousing, anywhere. I wake my napping wife and have her come out to assist (usually she is happy to lend a hand, but waking her from a nap is only to be done in cases of dire emergency and this, apparently, did not qualify). She starts the car as I am checking for leaks....not a drop. I ask her to put it in drive...there is a small plug missing from a port just in front of the speedo cable that fluid is now pouring out of. No problem, take the plug out of my old tranny and install. Problem solved.

New trans is smooth as butter, shifts great. Even with my limited skills, this was not too daunting of a task. If I needed to do again, easily a weekend job!
 
Are you going to wrap tape around your u-joint next time? :BangHead::BangHead::BangHead::BangHead::rolleyes::rolleyes:
 
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