STOCK means STOCK

70chall440 said:

I will walk past an entire row of restored, survivor, etc. cars to see something someone has built. I respect stock, restored, etc. cars and those who do the work but they are very boring to me,

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I'm right there with ya bro !!

Robert Schaad said:

So I will not post any more things that I have run into.

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Ah, my wife has made those empty threats for years but she's still around, still does the laundry, still cooks dinner, still comes in the shop, still watches tv in the family room, etc, etc, etc..

#41 said:

That IS strange! I've never experienced something so bizarre as someone disagreeing with me!

Of course I'm always right so that might have something to do with it.

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Your always right,,,,,,,,,,,EH???????????? Oh boy.........................

Kern Dog said:

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I for one hopes Robert sticks around. This is at that great point in a “discussion” were someone boldly says “PUT UP OR SHUT UP” and throws a g- note down. I don’t have time now but later I’ll chime in about my friend JL and his STOCK 1971 Super Bee. Cocky was JL’s middle name and what took place was a race on a frontage road off the Dan Ryan in downtown Chicago.

haywire 440 said:

I for one hopes Robert sticks around. This is at that great point in a “discussion” were someone boldly says “PUT UP OR SHUT UP” and throws a g- note down. I don’t have time now but later I’ll chime in about my friend JL and his STOCK 1971 Super Bee. Cocky was JL’s middle name and what took place was a race on a frontage road off the Dan Ryan in downtown Chicago.

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I'll ask you what a cop asked me one time.....Did ya win or did ya lose lol but in this case, did your friend win or did he lose? The guy I race was a LOT faster than me and it was pretty obvious who lost. Heck, I let off soon after banging 2nd gear and seeing him coming by fast so no use in even wasting the time. He spun hard so I put two car lengths on him real quick but when he went by, he never backed out of it. There was a slight S curve coming up and it looked like he was about to lose the car going through it. Another Mustang moron. Why do so many morons own Mustangs?? His was probably a 70 or 71 and mine was a 66 Fastback and the year was about 75.

Here ya go true Dyno tests headers vs HP exhaust manifolds. Our friend Nick has tested this for you.



If that isn't enough here is a 426 headers vs manifolds.

WP29440SE said:

I only find the "drive by" big red "X" strange. I like to know WHY, they disagree and continue the debate rather than getting butthurt about it

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I’ve never let the big red X hurt my feelings.

The thread is pointless. The original thread is about headers vs manifolds and you’re rambling about stock means stock. Guess what, anyone who has spent any time playing with their car, or playing on a dyno has quickly realized that engines respond to air flow. Move more air, make more power. Even bone stock engines respond to exhaust upgrades. Don’t confuse preference with reality.

Beekeeper said:

I’ve never let the big red X hurt my feelings.

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You KNEW that was coming, right?

moparedtn said:

You KNEW that was coming, right?

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If you wanted the real truth, you should have just asked me. My opinion is the only one that matters.

So if we don't get what we feel is the proper homage in one thread, start another one and demand a different result from the unwashed masses?
*snicker*
Oughta know better than that 'round these parts - or anywhere else on the net, for that matter....
especially when there is such a large body of tangible, verifiable evidence out there contradicting the opinion we're stating.

Lookit, the factory HP manifolds were definitely worth some power over the previously used log style ones, of that there is also no doubt - but they lose out to about any header out there you wanna use instead, super duper bone stockity-stockity engine or what have you.
They were chosen by the manufacturer then primarily for the reasons KD already stated - they were more likely to generate less warranty issues, they gave more clearance (and therefore were easier on the assembly line) and generally were a COST consideration (unit cost of production) over headers.
It was pretty cool they used them at all, really - Chryslers' famed engineers won at least a partial victory there.

Now, if the question was ever if they should be used by any owner now on a stock engine??
I'd suggest once again that the decision is being made every day, again using the same criteria as the factory did - cost versus return on investment, performance gain versus pain in the *** once in the car (and even getting headers in the car to begin with), life expectancy once installed, originality a factor?
All those figure into everyone's individual decision....

I enjoy the hell out of FBBO, I really do. It's gotta be the best concentration of knowledgeable "experts" on these cars of anywhere to be found on the net - and what someone doesn't know, they usually can come up with supporting documentation for and bring to us here on the forum.
I had a wise old engineer boss several decades ago who gave me some great advice:
"You don't need to know everything in this line of work, Ed - but you better know someone who does."
Dude could find any code, formula, design guide on anything at the drop of a hat - he had strong Google-Fu skills way before there was even a Google to search, real old school book, manual, documentation searching skills and a hell of a Rollodex full of numbers for those experts in whatever he needed at his disposal.

I emulate him to this day - I love the search feature here on FBBO and wish to hell people would utilize it more. I wear out GIS, the browser search feature, hell ANY search feature.
I'm big on knowing, not guessing, not "feeling", when it comes to decision making on what to do with a physical thing in this world.
Wife says I research **** to death before we buy anything, whether it's a car, home improvement, appliance, doesn't matter - I don't go until I'm pretty darn sure what I'm going after first, exactly.
The chasing is most of the fun in it for me....just like in life, it's the journey, not the destination so much.

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Why you, you're gonna get TWO for that one....

The sooner you realize that everybody here is a expert, and that they treat everybody else as the idiot that don't know $h!t that they aren't, life will be tons better on FBBO! Good Luck

If you have thin skin you should stick to the sites with kittens.

Starting to sound like a meeting of climate change experts. “I am right because I have all the data right here in my hands. Look at these graphs guys, it proves all others wrong”. Some old guy said “The whole is greater than the sum of the parts”. So on to my cocky friend JL... he could push somebody’s buttons and he owned a 1971 medium blue stock 383 automatic, slapstick, white interior, power windows, white stripe Super Bee. I’m pretty sure it had a/c too. This dark ‘72 Charger represents the challenger. It was a 440, 4-speed behemoth, fat a$$ tires on the back and the front riding much higher in the air than this car. Unruly looking thing it was and sounded like a freight train running. ‘76-‘77 was the time frame. When I arrived Saturday at 4 pm there was a serious crowd around both cars. I couldn’t get close to the ‘72 but I noted the multitude of bent noses on “their side”. Seemed like a riot was going to break out, Swear to God. Benjamin’s were in the air trading hands. Rules were established. It will be a heads up race, no spots. Traffic is innocently moving along on the Route 94 Dan Ryan northbound. Everything is set, the two Chargers line up. JL was cocky he pushed buttons, most of his true friends had reason to kick his a$$ at one time or another. Not me though, but he did date my sister for a short while. Shortly after they stopped dating all of us were in our living room, multiple chairs were circled around the coffee table. Joking, laughing, drinking and all of a sudden my sister jumps the coffee table and starts wailing on JL. Nobody saw or heard anything, oh Lordy. He took it like a man. So the flag man is standing in front of the two running cars, a bigger crowd was there. The cops, I don’t know, maybe asked to stay away, maybe the donuts & coffee tasting particularly good. The ‘72 revving like a locomotive, loud, straight header? glass packs? Who cares at this time....WHOLLY PHUQUE! that clutch dump was phenomenal, car jumped three car lengths easily. 2nd gear, then a couple more. JL’s 71 came out, no smoke, beautiful rumble of the Wednesday built small big block. It wound up quickly, the ‘72’s taillights getting smaller for just a few seconds. The 4-speed is shifting like a hot knife through butter. The 383 is winding high now the slap stick kicks up to 2nd. Mary, Joseph and Michael that pretty blue Superbee is right there.... bam....trans into 3rd. Crap he just passed and takes the flag. I don’t remember a celebration, I remember thinking time to go, exit stage left. So what’s my point, oh hell I don’t know, I just like to tell stories. JL did go on to race a stroked Harley on Halsted Street. That Harley driver missed 2nd gear 3 times, the ‘71 passed him..... for about a second. Good times all.

Am I the only guy who is wondering how much HP the decal in the quarter window of the OP’s car adds?