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Pete Rose - Hall Of Fame or not

He lies for decades about his baseball betting. Why should I believe him when he says he only bet on his team to win? Because of his record of scrupulous honesty?
 
The rule was no gambling on baseball.....period. I'm not arguing about how good a player he was. But being a good player doesn't make you exempt from the rules.
 
Bonds and all the other juicers are the ones who should definitely be banned for life. Rules are rules and when you break them you should get punished..... but equal the punishment to the crime. Pete screwed up, is arrogant, major ego, maybe somewhat of a jerk. He's been embarrassed in front of his peers and the public, which to any athlete at his level, must have been devastating because of their ego and self importance. The guy is not asking to be put in the perfect man HoF, but the baseball one. There is worse in there already..
 
Don Frelier said:
I was referring to YY1's, post above. I never said Pete Rose cheated.

But he did break established rules and honorable principle, then expects the ruling agency to overlook what he did.
First lying about it and then claiming that what everyone else did was worse. Sounds like a child's response to me.
Now we have people clamoring to change or lower the standard. He will never be a "good guy" in my eyes.
Hopefully that clarifies my view.
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As YY1 stated, take the Patroits for example. Twice now got caught taping defenses and defensive signals, got caught "accidentally" wiring the boxes wrong so they could listen to their own or opponents conversations and not to forget intentionally deflating balls to make the easier to grip and catch. There's more, just check YouTube for Patroits cheating. That's dishonest and blatant cheating, so obviously breaking established rules and the honor principle. They got fined a couple draft picks and made probably 100 times off cheating then the fines they got assessed. Different set or rules for NFL I guess. No clue about this, but is OJ still in both NFL Hall of Fame and College Hall of Fame?

Not saying what Rose did was right, but he should be in Hall of Fame. I'm not a baseball fan so really don't care but I still say let him in for what he did on field. IF and not sure there is, but IF there is any proof he bet against his own team and did actions to ensure a loss, keep him permanently banned.
 
He should be in. He's the greatest hitter in history. He just got caught and made an example of. I'm pretty sure a LOT of sports stars placed bets. You just don't hear about it.
 
I don’t know of any other players outside the Chicago Black Sox that bet on baseball. If you actually know of someone state him. I say he stays out for breaking the biggest rule in the baseball book. And then denying it for all those years. They also need to do something more about the Astros cheating scandal.
 
GetX'd said:
And then denying it for all those years.
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that part right there is what really got him hated
he should have just come clean, a lot earlier

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I seem to remember reading something about early 20th century
baseball players & the gambling stuff & IIRC they even used
"the BABE" as an example, he allegedly bet on anything & everything...
Not just baseball either....

I can't remember where I read it...

but that part stuck in my memory
 
GetX'd said:
I don’t know of any other players outside the Chicago Black Sox that bet on baseball. If you actually know of someone state him. I say he stays out for breaking the biggest rule in the baseball book.
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My thoughts exactly.
 
There were many scandals, and rumors of fixed games before the Black Sox scandal blew up. There are a couple players now in the Hof that are believed to have routinely thrown games during the regular season However, all of those players played in the eighteen hundreds, into the nineteen-ohs. Ed Delahanty, first baseman, one that most agree fixed games to win his bets.
Since the Black Sox, the rule against betting (for or against your own team, or others, is immaterial ) has been posted in EVERY major league locker room for a hundred years. It is the most sacred rule in baseball.
If Rose had come clean, said "I'm really sorry, I won't do it again, please forgive me!" like all the other famous actors and politicians with crisis managers do, he might have gotten a rap on the knuckles and be in the hall today!
BUT! He lied his *** off, to our faces, for a couple decades, then finally admits he lied, and bet, but only on his team to win, "so am I forgiven now so I can get what I want?" I personally DON'T believe he only bet on his team to win, because he is a proven liar. The only reason he is being considered, is because people want to believe he DIDN'T fix games. Did he , or didn't he? I don't know, and neither does anybody but Rose, and I don't believe him.
Edit: those players in the hof that bet on games before the Black Sox scandal are in because AT THE TIME, betting was not against the rules, (if you didn't get caught.)
 
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I don't believe they ever proved Shoeless Joe guilty. Just the whole team. He hit over .400 on the series and had numerous HR.
I'm prejudice because I live in the Greenville SC area, his home town.
 
Shoeless Joe hit .375, the only homerun hit in the series (after that game was already completely lost/thrown) and committed no errors. He was banned for life for knowing about the fix, and not saying anything. Paraphrasing Judge Landis... "any player that fixes a game, meets with someone to fix a game, or knows of such meetings, and does not immediately report to his team, will never play organized baseball again".
 
Oh, btw, none of the Black Sox were convicted of anything in court. They were found not guilty of running a "confidence scheme." They were convicted by public opinion, and punished only by basball.
 
So, if cheating is not specifically forbidden as is gambling, then the Astros are OK?
 
Any of the Astros' players suspended for life yet? Cheating in all professional sports has been going on for decades, more than a century in baseball's case. College basketball points shaving, Smokey Yunick, spitball pitchers, the patriots, come to mind among others. What the Astros did that crossed the line of acceptable cheating was the use of electronics, instead of just smarts, or gamesmanship.
Most people who follow baseball think the Astros got off EXTREMELY lightly .
 
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I read the Astro players were granted immunity for cooperating. The Organization should suffer more than they have to date.
 
any batter on that team that accepted the cheat signal for the pitch is guilty

edit- not just management
 
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