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I've had several BMW cars that switched from left dip to right dip by moving a small lever on the headlights themselves. They all had clear glass lenses...not like the pics above.....so the beam pattern is controlled by the reflector...not the lens. My last ALFA ...a 156 had the same feature.
 
sure it is!!!

to keep the Mercedes example, which is the one I know better... here is the R107 lense for RHD
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and here is the same for LHD
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and both are Bosch... so is not a manufacturer difference

For those who doesn't know what an R107 is:

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If the headlamp patteren was controlled by the lens, wouldn't they be sold as a right and a left? I've never seen this yet in the US. Are those Benz lenz designated R and L ?
 
both lights should favor the same pattern projection.

but with most plastic lights they are left and right.
 
PARTS??!!! Oh boy! That must have gotten interesting at times.

Was'nt there a specific cut-off day when they squared that away, which did cause chaos??
British Columbia and the eastern provinces changed in the early 20s. I'm sure it caused some confusion travelling across Canada, but also to the U.S. My Dad was driving then, and he said it was a little weird, but there wasn't a whole lot of traffic in our part of the world.
 
What bothers me most about vehicle headlights is that more and more importance seems to be placed on brighter lights to assist the driver with no regard whatsoever for those in oncoming vehicles, who may be blinded by the ever increasing brightness.

I can't believe NO ONE has considered this.

In Holland you will get pulled over if your lights are out of adjustment and bothering on coming drivers
as this is a danger to everyone
 
Clark W. Griswold and the family truckster had it covered.
It had both sets.:bananadance:
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With regards to headlight projectors, RHD cars should have a dip cutoff, when lights are shone on a wall, like this:

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so that the dip "finger of light" as shown by the raised part of the pattern, shines along the LEFT hand side of the road, illuminating the edge of the road, cyclists, pedestrians, signs etc.

LHD cars will have this pattern:

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where their extra light is down the RIGHT side of the road.

For example, go to 1:40 in this video

 
What bothers me most about vehicle headlights is that more and more importance seems to be placed on brighter lights to assist the driver with no regard whatsoever for those in oncoming vehicles, who may be blinded by the ever increasing brightness.

I can't believe NO ONE has considered this.

Like the Super duty Quadbeam option? All 4 lamps on in low beam! They will melt eyelids off in bright mode. I bet owners get flashed a lot....and NOT the good way.
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The job of the low beam headlamp has a contradiction at its core: let the driver see far and wide enough ahead for safety, while not glaring other drivers (who are located…ahead).

First: Do we need brighter headlamps? Yes. A lot of people die because drivers can't see well enough at night. Mostly pedestrians; pedestrian deaths keep going up even as every other kind of traffic-related injury and death keeps going down. Do they have to be so painful to look at? No.

Glare is a complicated subject for a bunch of reasons. Glare light and seeing light aren't 1:1 in their effect on safety. The safety benefit of additional seeing light is much bigger than the safety threat from additional glare light—speaking in objective terms of the measured effect of increasing or reducing seeing light and increasing or reducing glare light (and all the various combinations of doing those things) on how likely a driver is to hit someone they couldn't see.

"OW, FRACK! GET THOSE DAMN LIGHTS OUT OF MY EYES, I CAN'T SEE!" is a common reaction to glare, but there's a big difference between the level of glare required to spur that reaction of discomfort and the (much higher) level of glare required to actually degrade a driver's seeing performance. Plus, it takes much less intensity to cause uncomfortable glare than it does to provide adequate seeing, and it takes a much bigger increase in intensity to get a usable increase in seeing than it does to get a squawkable increase in glare.

Traffic safety researchers and regulators have been arguing about headlamp standards for many decades, and it's easy to point to a beam standard and say "See, this standard requires more seeing light at this particular angle, so it's superior" (or "See, it allows less glare light at this other angle, so it's superior") and that's true as far as it goes, but it doesn't go very far. Compared to the U.S. regulation, the "European" (U.N./rest-of-world-except-North America) low beam specification allows much less light toward oncoming drivers and calls for a much lower aim angle. This means much less glare, and much shorter seeing distance.

Despite these large differences, in many years of careful study nobody's demonstrated an actual, real safety advantage to the one system or the other. The reason is because low beams—even good ones—conforming to either standard are inadequate for the job we ask them to do. Low beams are inherently, geometrically limited in the seeing distance they can provide. It's a pretty simple matter using not-very-fancy math to figure out that the best possible low beam, aimed correctly and on a flat, straight road, is good for about 40 to 45 mph, tops, and that's a lot slower than we routinely drive at night. Let the headlamps be less than the best possible (most of them are), let them be aimed incorrectly (most of them are), let the road be not flat and/or not straight (most of them aren't) and the maximum speed drops fast for which the low beams can allow the driver to see an obstacle in time to avoid it.

There is (finally) a solution. It's called ADB (Adaptive Driving Beam) or GFHB (Glare-Free High Beam). It is a camera-driven system that keeps track of others on/near the road in front of the equipped car and actively, selectively shadows them out of what is otherwise a high beam light pattern. The equipped driver has high-beam seeing; everyone looking at the equipped car sees low-beam glare. It works very well, and it's legal just about everywhere in the world except the United States, which (alone in the world) does not recognise the U.N. vehicle safety standards and instead has its own different ones.

Europe and the rest of the world has about a decade's experience with ADB, something like 15 million miles driven by equipped cars without any major "oops, we didn't foresee that" types of issues. American suppliers have ADB systems developed and ready to go as soon as the US Government approves it, but that's not going to happen in the foreseeable future.

It's really frustrating because there's no debate as there often is with safety stuff. Everybody is onside: the auto industry wants it, the safety researchers say we should have it, the consumer-focused organisations want it, and NHTSA, the US Government agency responsible for auto safety standards, says they want it. But if that's true, it's not evident. NHTSA asked the SAE Lighting Systems Group to "translate" the U.N. regulation into language compatible with the U.S. legal system (a valid request and necessary step). The SAE LSG did a very good, very prompt job of it. NHTSA then said "Eh, thanks but no thanks", rejected the SAE document, and issued their own proposal that basically says "You can put ADB on a vehicle as long as it's not an adaptive driving beam system" (essentially, NHTSA said sure, go ahead and shadow people's eyes out of the beam pattern, as long as the shadow is no less intense than a regular low beam would be at that same angle). And the system test they proposed is completely impractical: very difficult and expensive, and without a clear yes/no threshold—no automaker is going to spend the money to develop, test, and deploy the system with the risk of "Yeah, we know you tested it and it passed, but we've decided it failed, so you have to recall all the cars".

Meanwhile, the entire rest of the world seems to be doing just fine with one version or another of the standard NHTSA says is poopy and dumb and unworkable. Pretty much the same as NHTSA has been doing for a long time: "we're right and the whole rest of the world is wrong, la la la got our fingers in our ears la la la is too is too is too" like a spazzed-out six-year-old. But even if NHTSA decided to go ahead with a thoughtful standard, that's not likely to happen, either; the current U.S. Government is very anti-regulation, to the point of issuing regulation freezes, even though sometimes a regulation doesn't say "no, you can't", but says "Yes, go ahead". Agencies that try to issue regulations tend to get their heads (funds) cut off these days.

Anyhow, given the realities of the American market, even if NHTSA said OK tomorrow, it would be years and years before ADB would show up on anything but very expensive models. And it's not a retrofittable system, so it's not applicable to old iron like we talk about on a board like this one. So back to conventional low/high beam headlamps:

I already described how American regs allow relatively high levels of glare from low beams. Another factor, a big one, is that we don't give a damn about headlight aim on this continent, even though it's the single most important factor in how well a driver can see at night. It is really, really difficult to get a proper headlamp aim job in North America. I've got a page on the subject. If all headlamps were correctly aimed, driving at night would be a lot easier, safer, and more comfortable for everyone.

Also, the rest-of-world regs require self-levelling systems for high-output low beam headlamps. The lamps actually have a little stepper motor that tips the aim down in response to cargo or passenger load. The more advanced systems even compensate for acceleration squat and brake dive, and those systems make a solid safety improvement (bcuz duh—read about it here) but they're not required in the U.S. despite the popularity of pickup trucks and SUVs that can and do carry a lot of cargo and passengers (and have long rear suspension travel for ground clearance and carrying capacity, which increases the amount of up-aim with vehicle load).

Also, in North America we don't spank people who monkey with their headlamps ("HID kits", "LED bulbs", and other such hacks; see here). Most states don't periodically inspect cars any more, and those few that do don't really apply more than a quick glance at the lights. There's nothing in the federal regs requiring new cars' lights to be aimed correctly; the feds leave that as a matter for the states to control, which mostly they don't. The IIHS headlamp tests started in 2016 exert strong pressure on automakers to do a better job of aiming the lights on cars coming off the assembly line…at least until IIHS publishes headlight grades for a given model, then the automakers know they can slack off again without consequence.

Also, the marketers love and push the trend of headlights getting bluer and bluer and bluer, because they get to babble about "closer to natural daylight" (which it isn't, not in any real way) and each wave of bluer headlights makes all previous lights look old, thus applying pressure to buy a new car to keep up with the Joneses. But for any given intensity, bluer white light produces about 50% more discomfort glare than yellower white light, without any seeing benefit to go along with it. If the engineers rather than the marketeers were in charge, we could reduce glare while keeping seeing light the same, or keep glare the same while giving night drivers more glare, or some mix of both, by going back to a warm-white headlight colour.

So yes, headlight glare in the United States has been getting worse for years—that's real. And there are relatively easy things that could be done to make the situation a lot better, but none of them will likely happen any time soon.

On your own car: install the best headlamps you can reasonably put on ("reasonably" accounting for budget, amount of night driving you do with that car, etc). Don't assume any particular kind of headlamp (H4, "E-code"/European spec, LED, etc) is necessarily better than any other kind of headlamp (sealed beam, DOT, halogen, etc)—no matter what technology or technical standard is involved, good headlamps are better than bad headlamps, and there is an absolute mountain of junk on the market, all of which is hyped as an upgrade, so you have to shop very carefully. Use the right kind of bulbs, the kind your lamps were intended to use, and avoid bulbs with blue or purple glass on them. If your post-'83 car with plastic headlamp lenses has "cataracts" (lenses gone cloudy/yellow), move that to the top of the fix list—headlamp lens degradation is a major reason why pedestrians get hit to death. There are ways of refurbishing the lenses if they're not too far gone; if they are, put in new OE headlamps if you can afford 'em—they're far better than aftermarket.

Have your headlamps (new or old) aimed correctly; keep trying til you find a shop that has and uses the right tools for that job. Keep your windshield clean inside and out; replace it if it's sandblasted. Don't use blue or blue-white LEDs in your dashboard lights, and whatever bulbs you have in them, keep your dashboard lights turned down as low as you can while still being able to read the gauges at a glance—this one's not as obvious, but every single light source in your field of view contributes to disability glare (the kind that degrades your ability to see), even if it's much too dim to cause any discomfort.

And…now I gotta go eat again!
 
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If the headlamp patteren was controlled by the lens, wouldn't they be sold as a right and a left? I've never seen this yet in the US. Are those Benz lenz designated R and L ?


Both I used for the example are right side lense intentionally to not get confused about the side of the car the lense is, but one is for left side of the road drive ( RHD cars ) and the other is for right side of the road drive ( LHD cars )

Up to 76 where USA regulations didn't allow the square headlights design, Mercedes for USA market got round sealed beams inserted on Mercedes ( and many other overseas cars with same setup ) original square screen design. Talking about the R107:

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It happened the same on earlier Mercedes with vertically oval headlights.

i.e.: W111

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where the original model is:

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Aside the diff headlight setup, USA market Mercedes got a divorced road lamp and parking light... you can see them on the R107 and W111. This is not on the REST OF THE WORLD version because the headlight assembly on these gets all the lights into the reflector assembly, behind the screen. Even turnings are hidden by the lense on the W111. Not on the R107 thought

These cars and parts were built specific for the USA market. When the square lights were allowed in USA by 76/77 year, you of course allways got lenses made for LHD cars ( right side of the road ) so of course if you go to a LOCAL parts shop will never found RHD car parts available off the shelf.

Well, actually in normal conditions you won't find on any country a diff RHD or LHD parts off the shelf but is not out of mind you can get under special orders these parts on official dealers on some countries. And with the on line market selling worldwide, this become more obvious.

Attached, the difference betweem lenses for RHD and LHD but once again BOTH are the SAME SIDE LENSE on the car

I can post pics of left side lenses ON THE CAR with same diff for RHD and LHD cars, but really need to? Of course the lense for left side OF THE CAR, will match the same pattern on the lense on the same side.

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Well, just in case here I post the pair, both left and right CAR lenses together for the R107

but RHD

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and LHD

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I've had several BMW cars that switched from left dip to right dip by moving a small lever on the headlights themselves. They all had clear glass lenses...not like the pics above.....so the beam pattern is controlled by the reflector...not the lens. My last ALFA ...a 156 had the same feature.


Correct, later cars got the difference built in to the reflector, not anymore on lense with the newer and modern headlight design on clear/non optical refractor lenses.

I guess this makes a cheaper/easier production line because on small crashes the reflector could be safer than the lense so is easier make universal lenses for both RHD and LHD cars as a same replacement all around the world. If you got cracked ( or sun faded or any kind of damage ) just the lense which is the exposed area of the headlight won't care anymore which side of the road you drive, manufacturers get the same made for both.
 
And, once again, as mentioned, i still haven't advertised a different light projection on the regular ROUND sealed beams used on my Charger ( H5001 and H5006 ). Sure the lense got its refraction areas on the lense design pattern BUT when I adjusted my Charger headlights against a wall I couldn't notice the difference between left or right light projection on the horizontal line like I REALLY DO on my Mercedes lighting up against the same wall.

If there was a difference, I really didn't notice it... and I WORK on show bussines as a sound tech but quite often switch to ilumination area and have to get focused lights on stages, so it won't be hard to me to notice the light refraction difference.

Maybe that's the reason why most of you in the States don't know about this. Aside is, for obvious reasons, not common you would need to deal with this, having all the cars and spare parts available on shelfs just for one kind: LHD! so you don't have even to think of this getting spares. All the USA and countries around you can pass the borders on your car ( Mexico and Canada ) being the same. You don even have to get a Ferry to go get into another country with a diff light setup! Like Europe, Africa and Asia are.
 
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As far as blinding oncoming drivers it should not make much difference how bright (or how high) the lights are if they are aimed the right way...slightly down and to the kerb and the dip pattern going the right way. Lots of the more modern cars that blind me have poorly adjusted lights or...more likely...a shoddy shade tree "upgrade" to HID or LED headlight bulbs. Headlamp reflectors that were designed for halogen bulbs cannot focus and aim LED or HID light as it leaves the bulb in a different way or pattern. LEDs and HIDs in halogen housings will get you a big fine here now and wont pass the MOT (our annual safety check). The other issue with HIDs is that they are so bright that even dirt on the lens can deflect the light enough to dazzle....that's why all cars supplied here with HID lights also HAVE to have auto headlight levelling and some form of headlight wash.
 
Both I used for the example are right side lense intentionally to not get confused about the side of the car the lense is, but one is for left side of the road drive ( RHD cars ) and the other is for right side of the road drive ( LHD cars )

Point of clarification, there's a terminology trap here: right/left-hand drive (RHD/LHD) versus right/left-hand traffic (RHT/LHT). It's common to talk about "RHD" or "LHD" headlamps, but it's improper and leads to confusion and "Yeah, but…!" types of conversations.

RHD/LHD refers to the position of the driver within the car, which has nothing to do with the headlamps.

RHT/LHT refers to the position of the car on the road, which has everything to do with the headlamps.

Most cars in RHT countries (traffic flows on the right-hand side of the road) are LHD (driver sits on the left-hand side of of the car), and vice versa. But most countries allow other-hand-drive cars (LHD cars in LHT countries, RHD cars in RHT countries). Other-hand-drive cars still have to keep to the same side of the road as everyone else, so they have to be equipped with correct-hand-traffic headlamps: RHT headlamps in RHT countries, LHT headlamps in LHT countries.

Aside the diff headlight setup, USA market Mercedes got a divorced road lamp and parking light

That's a park/turn signal, not a road lamp.

Speaking of old Mercedes lights: some years back someone on one of the forums was stridently insisting that vintage-parts vendors had it all wrong, they were selling people two left headlamp lenses instead of a left and a right. He posted pics very much like Nacho's, with the pie-wedge section of optics circled, and instructed everyone to make sure and get "one right and one left". He didn't know WTF he was talking about; he was wrongly advising people to use one LHT lens and one RHT lens. That's a setup that can be useful in certain kinds of rallying and racing, but not safe on public roadways.

Also keep in mind that headlamp optics—whether in the lens or in the reflector—used to be a lot more formulaic and consistent than they are now. With an H4 lamp or various other kinds of older European headlamp, once this pie-wedge-on-the-left/on-the-right difference has been pointed out it's easy to spot. But technology has moved (far) on from H4 lamps and parabolic reflectors, and more modern optical systems don't have such a clear visual indication of which side of the road they're for.

It used to be possible to read the lens markings and figure out what you were looking at (described here) but with window-clear lenses used in front of all the different versions of a given headlamp, that's no longer possible because mostly these common lenses bear all the markings that apply to all the different versions—UN LHT, UN RHT, US, JIS, sometimes an HID and a halogen version, etc—so you can no longer tell by lens markings what any one specific lamp is.

regular ROUND sealed beams used on my Charger ( H5001 and H5006 ). Sure the lense got its refraction areas on the lense design pattern BUT when I adjusted my Charger headlights against a wall I couldn't notice the difference between left or right light projection on the horizontal line like I REALLY DO on my Mercedes lighting up against the same wall.

That's because the asymmetry of two kinds of American-type low beam pattern—the "mechanical aim" pattern and the "VOR" pattern, described here—is not in the shape of the upper boundary of the beam pattern like it is with a UN ("European") or US VOL beam pattern. With mechanical-aim or VOR there's no upsweep/upstep to the right (in RHT countries). The beam on the wall looks more or less symmetrical. Instead, the entire low beam is asymmetrically placed: when the lamp is aimed correctly, the high-intensity zone ("hot spot") is below and to the right of dead-ahead.
 
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