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A855 - 5 Speed

What a damn shame you are going through this.
How hard could it be for them to just ship you a new trans? Really.
I spoke to John about buying a returned trans that was gone through and available for a small discount, decided after this thread to pass.
Jamie has been slow to respond at times, but always very helpful and a good attitude, just really busy.
5 large is more than I'm willing to risk for an extra gear that may or may not be reliable. Even if it is reliable, they made the price point just a little high for some of us working stiffs.
My junk will get a GV unit eventually.
 
@66 Sat send me what you have if possible, I'm grateful for any input.

How hard could it be for them to just ship you a new trans?
Extremely hard, since they have zero a-body trans that work, and 2 b-body trans John is trying to sort, when he shouldn't be owning this.

To clarify, I'm not pointing fingers at anyone on these forums, I'm extremely frustrated and have reached the end of my rope.

I understand being busy, overwhelmed, having personal or business issues, and just the everyday crap.

I'm busy, overwhelmed, dealing with crap, it's not exclusive to GFI and certainly not to Passon.

I see it mentioned in multiple threads going back years, a decade or more, on multiple forums. How this guy convinced everyone he's so busy and we all must just wait around and deal with it, is beyond comprehension.

Too busy to even return a phone message?

I think not. If it were my business, my name on it, I would feel like such a bag of crap knowing every day that I have an unresolved issue with a customer that I could solve immediately.
At the least, I would want, could not wait, to hear from the customer in their own words so I could determine exactly what the issue is, the options, and the customer's expectations.

Passon doesn't feel like a bag of poop.
Doesn't care.
Told John he doesn't remember me, like that matters.
 
Extremely hard, since they have zero a-body trans that work, and 2 b-body trans John is trying to sort, when he shouldn't be owning this.
Not saying it shouldn't be hard for John. It shouldn't be hard for the company who makes them, or the company that sold you the trans to produce a new one and ship it to you.

Integrity is everything, you bought a trans and paid good coin, just make it right.
 
Thats a tough story, i feel bad for you and agree with you that it should be made right.
I was going to order a 5 speed from passon but the wait time was just ridiculous.
Instead I bought the 4 speed overdrive kit and had it installed by Liberty gear here locally. Had problems shifting into first when stoped, passon did pay liberty to repair and remachine a few parts, it's much better but not quite perfect, plus i got stuck with an extra r&r.
 
Thank you all for your support and feedback. I still have to spend more time and coin on this, no doubt.
 
Thats a tough story, i feel bad for you and agree with you that it should be made right.
I was going to order a 5 speed from passon but the wait time was just ridiculous.
Instead I bought the 4 speed overdrive kit and had it installed by Liberty gear here locally. Had problems shifting into first when stoped, passon did pay liberty to repair and remachine a few parts, it's much better but not quite perfect, plus i got stuck with an extra r&r.

I have read the whole sordid tale on FABO and it sucks. Early on I was interested in one of the 5 speeds, but the delivery times were a deal breaker for me. I was maybe going to pursue one of the 4 speed ODs as I have an spare 18 spline that needs the pieces that the OD kit would replace. Needless to say that won't be happening now.

Regarding Liberty's Gears, stand up outfit. Helped me out quite a few times. If I was in the unfortunate position of the OP and stuck with a 5-6K apparent boat anchor, I would consider paying Liberty's to take a look at the 5 speed, if they would and go from there. You are not getting anywhere with Passon, GFI or whoever. Just a thought.
 
I would consider paying Liberty's to take a look at the 5 speed
I don't know anything about Liberty...
Are you suggesting that they may have compatible or could machine compatible gears and parts for the 855?
Tell me more about Liberty please.
If I have to replace the 855 for a stronger transmission, my first thought is a Jericho, but I really don't know what else is out there that is REALLY strong that isn't the size of a tree trunk (Lenco)
:popcorn2::popcorn2::popcorn2:
 
Regarding Liberty's Gears, stand up outfit.
I just looked them up and sent them an email. Thank you for the info, need to pursue ever option and cover multiple scenarios at this point.
 
http://libertysgears.com/

Pretty close to me, talk to Paul, ive known him for 30 years.
They can make or machine anything! Huge facility millions of parts on shelves.
 
http://libertysgears.com/

Pretty close to me, talk to Paul, ive known him for 30 years.
They can make or machine anything! Huge facility millions of parts on shelves.

I was speaking with Paul just before the plague closed the border. I gave up on the 4 spd od and am going to source the parts from them to complete my spare 18 spline, stock. For now I can't get across the border though.
 
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I don't know anything about Liberty...
Are you suggesting that they may have compatible or could machine compatible gears and parts for the 855?
Tell me more about Liberty please.
If I have to replace the 855 for a stronger transmission, my first thought is a Jericho, but I really don't know what else is out there that is REALLY strong that isn't the size of a tree trunk (Lenco)
:popcorn2::popcorn2::popcorn2:

Liberty's developed clutchless manual transmissions among other things.
 
Sorry this happen to you, **** happens.

You had a complaint, they tired, and tried, and tried again to make it right. They bent over backward to help you. They did everything they could to help you!

However, you changed the the fluid to something out of spec, you adjusted things not to be adjusted, you didn't drive it enough to fully break it in, and on top of that, you painted it which avoided their warranty. Paint holds in heat, which is worsen by the out of spec fluid you put in it.

At this point, it's easier to deal with you in court. And you're butt hurt, so you are attempting to damage their business spreading your story everywhere.

Have a nice one.
 
I received the wrong break in procedures, which included the incorrect fluid type: https://www.forabodiesonly.com/mopar/threads/a855-5-speed.442999/#post-1972629798

I questioned it before putting any fluid in the trans, heck, before ordering any fluid.
I confirmed the correct fluid type with Passon himself, and another member here confirmed it with Passon himself, see pics, and another FABO member confirmed it with GFI, who I also asked via im on FABO before buying fluid: https://www.forabodiesonly.com/mopar/threads/a855-5-speed.442999/page-7#post-1972946549

I agreed to drive it using the only suggestion Seth made, hold it in gear, subsequently Seth recommended I send it in, I was doing what GFI requested, kept in contact with Seth all along, and he requested I send it in: https://www.forabodiesonly.com/mopar/threads/a855-5-speed.442999/#post-1972632724

I was more than willing to try anything he suggested before removing it, waiting, being without my car, causing extra work for everyone involved.

It did not have any paint on it when I installed it the first time, zero, none, you can clearly see that in the pics in the thread.

I did not paint it until I installed it the last time, and it popped out of gear immediately, same as before.

Also, the replacement transmission is NOT painted, and it pops out of gear, after two 'fixes.'

And GFI claims all 9 trans sent to WY on 12/30/2019 tested fine, and it only took 4 business days to ship, r&r, and test, all 9.
Yet John, the guy who actually tests them, says mine popped out, he sent it back, they sent it back to him, and it still pops out.

Christine herself, she told me painting it voids the warranty, but when asked why she could not provide the info. So I asked her to confer with whomever she needed to, and I waited on hold. No one knew why, no one.
So I asked her to read it to me, the part in the warranty that states you cannot paint it.
She could not find it.
I asked her to send it to me, she said I would have it by Monday morning as it was late Friday. I told her, if you do not receive a response from me via email that I received it, I DID NOT receive it!
She did not send it, she has not responded to calls since.

They did everything they could you say?

Then why not call me back and tell me how wrong I am, and that I don't deserve the last year of my warranty?

Why leave the last conversation they had, them apologizing to me, telling me how wrong they have been, and how they want to make it right, and send me a perfect trans, and agreed to extend the warranty?

They are damaging their own business, not me.


Fluid.jpg Fluid 2.jpg
 
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I dunno about this thread. Had an employer like that once.

1. Shock and awe.
2. Never heard of this before.
3. Shoot the messenger.

In other words triple blamed the owner.
The length of time required for break in alone is a deal breaker. 700 miles for a 700 hp motor? In city driving. That’s a long time.
 
Just because this is all I spend my free time on now, I found a gem of an email I sent to GFI on 11/17/2019 with a little detail that was among the important info I'm detailing, and I quote, myself:

I painted the trans and linkage as this was supposed to be the last time I had to r&r this trans.

I've spent money on the trans, shipping twice, paint, and more importantly a new 18 spline clutch with pressure plate and new flywheel.


Turns out, I put it in the fabo thread same day: https://www.forabodiesonly.com/mopar/threads/a855-5-speed.442999/page-2#post-1972730775

I also told them I painted it on the 12/27/2019 phone call with them, which I captured here: https://www.forabodiesonly.com/mopar/threads/a855-5-speed.442999/page-3#post-1972788660

Also, on the 12/27 phone call I requested 3 quarts of fluid with the new trans, as I had spent $150 or so on 6 qts, 3 for break-in and 3 for after, had used all 6 and haven't even reached the 500 mile break-in.

Not to mention, which I did mention, primer, paint, I paid to ship it back, time, effort, swapping the trans twice and soon to be third.


And referred to it being in my email to them on 11/17/2019 here: https://www.forabodiesonly.com/mopar/threads/a855-5-speed.442999/page-4#post-1972876654

And the link above also shows it took me calling them 3 times back to back on 2/14 to get any response, which was 3 months after they were notified for the first time that it was painted, and conveniently when Christine determined I voided their alleged warranty, which she stated she would send the following Monday and failed to produce, even after I followed up multiple times, including last Friday.

The more I formally put all of this together, emails, texts, notes from phone calls, fabo thread, it becomes slap you in the face clear that blaming the customer for their dysfunction and failures is their motto.

It is also extremely clear that pertaining to this matter, I am not the one who failed miserably.

I posted because it is a part of my overall complaint, relevant, demonstrates my tenacity, my attention to detail, and my willingness to share information, from my pov, so people can make their own, hopefully informed, decisions.

My only regret is I believe Seth was doing everything he could, and someone told him to stop all communications with me, Christine no doubt, as Christine told me she would be the person I would deal with going forward.
The problem with that is, I spoke to her once, she never followed up in any manner, as she swore she would do.
She makes herself look like a failure, and makes Seth look bad in the process because she took over.
It would appear she does not give a hoot about him, me, her reputation, or her business.

My apologies for my rant, take it or leave it.
 
Sorry this happen to you, **** happens.

You had a complaint, they tired, and tried, and tried again to make it right. They bent over backward to help you. They did everything they could to help you!

However, you changed the the fluid to something out of spec, you adjusted things not to be adjusted, you didn't drive it enough to fully break it in, and on top of that, you painted it which avoided their warranty. Paint holds in heat, which is worsen by the out of spec fluid you put in it.

At this point, it's easier to deal with you in court. And you're butt hurt, so you are attempting to damage their business spreading your story everywhere.

Have a nice one.

Passon fanboy no doubt. Unbelievable!
 
you changed the the fluid to something out of spec
Hold up there.
Passon changed the recommendation for what lube to use.
I'm taken aback by your one sided opinion on this issue, especially because I don't think painting a part has anything to do with it popping out of gear.
 
I still communicate with Jamie, and my only beef with him is the length of time he's had my 18 spline a833, that it never popped out of 2nd until I sent it to him the first time, over 5 years ago, and despite being sent back and forth several times since, including me paying for worn parts due to bellhousing runout issues, which I accepted at face value and addressed, only to have it pop out on the test drive after reinstalling it the 3rd time. Now it's been 2 years or more that he's had it, and it's still not fixed, and he still has it. Now I know the last 2 years have been really rough for him, and I'm not really pissed because I love my 855 5 speed, and it seems like no matter how basic or involved my questions may be he gets back to me quickly, and there's a LOT got on in "Passon world".
Having said that, I may make other choices regarding transmission related items rather than deal with Jamie, but I'm invested in Passon to the tune of over $5,500, not counting the costs of parts and labor on my 833. No cost involved since I got the bellhousing aligned, other than a lot of time without my 833 as backup, in case my 855 has to be out for any significant length of time.
 
Termec TKO-600
I specced out a nice TKO600, for my wife's GTO, through the owner of American Powertrain the last day the vendor booths were at Cruisin the Coast 2019. Great pricing that I couldn't get duplicated on a 2nd Hydramax hydraulic throwout bearing (for the GTO) as I got for my Roadrunner. Yes, he cut their selling price to the bone, below cost on the Hydramax.
Anyway, the transmission will be a great addition to the drivetrain of the 421 Tripower that I had a performance oriented rebuild done, upping the levels of an already performance oriented previous build. The Quick Performance Ford 9" based rear axle housing is being replaced with one that has the correct adjustable lower lift bar brackets and is designed strictly for coilovers vs the one in it now.
With the 3.80 ring and pinion gearset that I chose as a "compromise" ratio, not knowing if we would replace the Muncie 4 speed, well after one 1 hour drive on the interstate, I learned that I went a little too aggressive on the gears, and that 5th gear OD is really going to make a big difference.
With my 855 5 speed, I swapped out the 3.54 Track Pack gears to a 4.10, but still dropped 750 RPMs in 5th vs the original setup in 4th. Only turning 2,750 at 72 MPH. 750 RPMs may not seem like a big difference, but the 440+6bbl and I both are a lot happier at the lower highway RPMs than before, and 1st through 4th are a BLAST!
Would Liberty Gears be the people to get with if I wanted a high horsepower and torque capable TKO600 or can any vendor do that?
What kind of power is the TKO600 rated to handle in its "stock" form?
 
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