base clear coat

Tim Ziegler · Aug 31, 2020

Glad they don't base clear coat the precious early classics in my neighborhood. There are 4 painters in the area that make the origional type paint shine like BCC. The point of my thread was to give anyone who is going to paint their classic some opinions. I accomplished that -input from different angles. Sorry if I got ya pissed off. The painters I'm refering to do add clear to the paint

Phantomx · Sep 2, 2020

Personally, I prefer the “look” of single stage on muscle era cars. Cars painted in base/clear look good, but I feel it makes them look artificial, or like they’re dipped in plastic. In my eyes, you can’t beat the rich color of a good single stage. Nowadays durability is mostly a moot point as few people leave their old car out in the elements all of the time.
Travis..

MoparDanMan · Sep 2, 2020

Tim Ziegler said:
Easy way to DESTROY your classic pre 86 Mopar. Acrylic enamal like the car was born with and a good body man can make that shine with color sanding and buffing. Only a lazy body man uses "base clear coat" on a classic. I wouldn't take a base clear coat classic Mopar to a Russion dog fight -or anywhere. GARBAGE

Don't sugar coat it Tim, tell us how you really feel.

MoparDanMan · Sep 2, 2020

Dibbons said:
The clear coat is peeling off all three of our daily drivers: 1992 Jeep Cherokee, 1996 Dodge Dakota, 2001 Jeep Cherokee.

Ya you can thank the EPA for that. The problem is on two fronts. First, The EPA has mandated the reduction of VOC's. The manufacturers were forced to change the formulas of the paint they were using. And second, due to the demand for higher gas mileage, manufacturers were forced to cut weight anywhere they could. You know, thinner rotors, more plastics, and yes, less paint. In the early 90's through the late 00's most cars got only one coat of clear. I know someone will chime in and say that paint doesn't weigh much, but it all adds up. The weight of the paint on a Boeing 737 averages 550 lbs.

69a100 · Sep 2, 2020

Dibbons said:
The clear coat is peeling off all three of our daily drivers: 1992 Jeep Cherokee, 1996 Dodge Dakota, 2001 Jeep Cherokee.

Those are all Mopars, and with the paint problem they've had back then, is there really a comment here or what?

Sparky Anderson · Sep 2, 2020

I am in the process of redoing my old girl and I am going base coat/ clear coat on my ride, if I had a 70 hemi cuda worth a ton of money, I would go with the acrylic enamel, no brainer. The technology has improved 200 % on base coat / clear coat over the last 20 plus years.

Tim Ziegler · Sep 2, 2020

I have people thinking before poainting -my goal. As sparky said, would you BCC your origional Max Wedge or Hemi car? There is a BCC car in my neighborhood now that I think of it. The car is a 60 Chevy Biscayne. It is BCC black, it has 20 inch wheels, swivel bucket seats, a console that looks 1/2 66 Charger 1/2 Ram pick up, the guy pulled the 348 in favor of a crate motor, he swapped the Biscayne emblems for Belaire emblems. A car is origional once. I call it the Batmobile

Canadian1968 · Sep 2, 2020

When it comes down to it . It's the owners car and they can do with it whatever they see fit. Your attempt to explain the purpose of your orginal post as " allowing people to offer their opinions " is pretty weak if you ask me . Your original post said that if paint your classic in anything other than acrylic enamel you have destroyed your car and base clear is GARBAGE . Their is no way offering a discussion or conversation in that statement .

Even better is how you try to brag about having a painter in your area that can apparently work some sort of black magic like it is a lost art . But then you go on to say how they mix the dreaded clear coat with their single stage ! You realize how contradictory your being right ? why are they adding clear coat ? The reason you add clear to single stage to help it flow out better and will improve shine and help extend the life of the finish ........ you know kind of like a base clear job? But still confused why these magic painters you know can't lay down the product like it was designed to ?
You will never achieve the deepth and effect of BC metallic paint job with single stage and that's a fact. As for a solid colour I would still believe BC is superior to single stage , now that can be open to opinion because really their is no right or wrong answer when it comes down to strictly talking about the appearance . Now if your adding clear coat to the si gle stage then as far as I am concerned you admit the clear coat has better properties and appearance and your probably just using the SS for easy of application and cost saving . Or your not a good enough painter ?

70chall440 · Sep 2, 2020

This original statement is the same as saying if you run radials on your classic car you are an idiot and are destroying the integrity of the car... Seems to me the OP tried to shoot BC and failed and is blaming the product/process. SS is fine if you don't have the money for BC but the newer stuff is better in many ways, kinda like tires...

Tim Ziegler · Sep 2, 2020

You make my point Canadian. Can you see a car is a BCC paint job? When adding clear to single stage and color sanding you can come up with a showroom shine -but you can see its not BCC. Would you BCC your origional Max Wedge or Hemi car? Of course each to his own. No, my $ wouldn't go for BCC. Labor isn't cheap on a single stage paint job

Canadian1968 · Sep 2, 2020

The labour for a SS or BC job should be identical they require the same prep. The price difference is in paint material not labour .

Can I see if a car is done in BC? If it's metallic absolutely, if it's solid it can be quite difficult sometimes. As I just had 1965 VW Beetle in the shop last week. I was sure is was sprayed with single stage but was wrong .

And your comment about buffing up SS with clear coat added . If you take 2 panels paint one with SS and one with BC both the same colour, after you cut and buff both , you should not able tell the difference.

In your earlier post you said you know 4 painters that could make the old stuff shine just like BC. But then you just said when you buff up SS you can tell it's not BC ? You got to stick to one story.

Now you seem to be concentrating on originality with a max wedge or Hemi . So are you simply talking about originality on a rare restoration now ? Because if that's the case then why are we talking about buffing up to showroom shine , these cars from the factory were anything but flawless ? Your all over the place with your stories and comments .

Tim Ziegler · Sep 2, 2020

I can see the dif, BCC or SS a mile away. Wouldn't paint my origional 360 Duster BCC either. Each to his own. Just so happens the paint I won't use is spendy. Not that $ is the issue as you implied. Bought my 360 Duster new and yeah it had orange peal which I wouldn't duplicate for origionality but certainly would use SS for origionality. Stay pissed buddy

68BabyBlue · Sep 3, 2020

moparedtn said:
Not much chance of your ever driving mine then, since I bought it a decade ago with the body and paint already done....
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Still looks fine by the way. Nothing "destroyed" to report here.
I'm betting I'm not alone on that point, either....

Fifty years ago today, Sept. 3, 1970, I took my first drive in a 1969 GTX, and the look of that red factory acrylic enamel is etched in my memory banks. The car was a dealer special order model, so it did look better than the run of the mill stuff my dad used to buy. When I visit the survivor tent at Carlisle, I savor the memories of what they actually looked like back in the day.

That being said, the red '69 that resides in my garage 50 years later, has base coat/clear. I'll be the first to point out they didn't look that slick when new. I also bought the car done. It was restored as a charity project, with multiple parties contributing expertise, labor, and even OEM parts, aiming for high quality, while controlling costs.

Yes, it's not concours correct, but destroyed, no. I love it, and it's the fraternal twin of the car I loved back then, acquired without breaking the bank.

Canadian1968 · Sep 3, 2020

I'm not pissed at all . Simply correcting you of your lack of knowledge on the subject.

People use these Web forums as a source of information and research and when you make a BOLD incorrect statement like you have I think it's important to point out when your wrong .

GTXDAN · Sep 3, 2020

MoparDanMan said:
Ya you can thank the EPA for that. The problem is on two fronts. First, The EPA has mandated the reduction of VOC's. The manufacturers were forced to change the formulas of the paint they were using. And second, due to the demand for higher gas mileage, manufacturers were forced to cut weight anywhere they could. You know, thinner rotors, more plastics, and yes, less paint. In the early 90's through the late 00's most cars got only one coat of clear. I know someone will chime in and say that paint doesn't weigh much, but it all adds up. The weight of the paint on a Boeing 737 averages 550 lbs.

The airline I worked for we had to weigh the plane after paint to verify the weight and balance for flight operations.

dadsbee · Sep 3, 2020

Ruined I say.. ruined...fml... :fool:

70chall440 · Sep 3, 2020

Well I would paint a hemi and/or max wedge car BC/CC in a heart beat, wouldn't bother me in the least just like I would put radials on them and other modern upgrades because it is my car and fortunately no else's name is on the title.. so pretty much any one else's opinion has zero value.

moparsaver · Sep 3, 2020

While we’re on the subject...What’s a fair price for 11 unopened pints? Shaken...Not stirred ...

twice a year since the nineties?

69a100 · Sep 3, 2020

moparsaver said:
While we’re on the subject...What’s a fair price for 11 unopened pints? Shaken...Not stirred ...twice a year since the nineties?
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I don't know, how much demand is there for that/those colors? I still got some leftover paint that's about 10 yo that needs to be checked on.
BAFRIAD might take some off your hands for practice paint as he could use it, if you don't care about price and just want to download it? Good Luck
https://www.forbbodiesonly.com/moparforum/threads/paint-gun-suggestions.201300/

moparsaver · Sep 3, 2020

69a100 said:
I don't know, how much demand is there for that/those colors? I still got some leftover paint that's about 10 yo that needs to be checked on.
BAFRIAD might take some off your hands for practice paint as he could use it, if you don't care about price and just want to download it? Good Luck
https://www.forbbodiesonly.com/moparforum/threads/paint-gun-suggestions.201300/

Thanks John. All the same color, Dark brown poly(metallic)

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