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Mopar ignition box

Wish i could find a .5 OHM dual ballast resistor on the coil side , would like to try out with numerous 1.4 OHM primary resistance coils i have laying around with this ECU/Ignition Module

Still could pop in some single ballast resistors on the coil side i guess with my dual wiring and at least go from there
 
I just renewed my orange box and wires. The instructions clearly state to NOT use MSD coil.
 
Wish i could find a .5 OHM dual ballast resistor on the coil side , would like to try out with numerous 1.4 OHM primary resistance coils i have laying around with this ECU/Ignition Module

Still could pop in some single ballast resistors on the coil side i guess with my dual wiring and at least go from there
A 2444241 mopar coil is 1.41 to 1.55 ohms.
 
I just ordered and installed one from him a week or two ago. Good price and shipped the same day I ordered it. "THE MOST RELIABLE ECU ON THE PLANET!" If that's true, I'll be a happy camper.
Cool I ordered one last night can’t wait.What differences did you notice?
 
I've only had it installed for a short time and have only driven it once or twice since installing it, but I have not noticed any difference between it and the orange box it replaced.
 
he advertises to work similar to the MP Chromed unit. MMMM I can say certainly IS NOT even close to the Chromed box. Maybe on the RPM range ? I can't say because I never got it to the limit ( neither the chromed or the HiRev ) but the Chromed was definitelly more "sparky" or "happy" box by far. I'm agreed the Orange and the HiRev are more similar to each other.

Chromed and the original A688 FBO box were really close to each other.
 
I am I have tried everything else.Sure I got a better tune playing around with it.But it warms up and stalls every time.
#1) check/adjust your hot wet fuel-level.
#2) Check your transfer-slot exposure below the Primary throttle blades; it should be no less than, a lil taller than wide. Set it there, and leave it there.
Then adjust the idle-timing to get the rpm you want. Finally re-engineer your D to get the Power-Timing your engine wants without changing the Idle-timing.Some cams will need some idle-air bypass to clean up the low speed AFR.

If you try to run the throttle too far closed, the fuel will "dry-up" on the slowdown, and the engine will try to get the missing fuel from the mixture screws. When it can't, it stalls.
If you accidentally, set the throttles too far up the Transfer slots, then on the slow-down, the engine will pull too much fuel thru the slots and with the mixture screws also flowing, she tends towards flooding.
Do not try to tune with a pre-conceived idea of how much idle-timing you think your engine needs; you will never get the Transfer slots right.
Instead, chose a Transfer-slot exposure in the ballpark, like slightly taller than wide, then let the engine TELL you what timing it wants. Try it for a couple of evenings, then decide if it needs more or less transfer fuel.

Keep in mind that at idle, your engine wants a certain amount of fuel. And that amount is shared by the transfers and the mixture screws. If you change the transfer-slot exposure, then you will have to change the mixture screw adjustment. If you add or subtract Idle-air bypass, then they will both have to be changed.Try to set the mixture screws in the center of their adjustment range. But the one thing that will want to remain relatively constant, while NOT IDLING, but just off-idle and until the mains start up, is the Transfer-slot exposure under the Primary throttle blades.
But if your fuel level is wrong, yur gonna have nothing but trouble; even more if it does not remain stable.
Happy Twiddling.
 
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Thank you very much for your response.I will tinker with it and see what happens.Thanks again.
 
he advertises to work similar to the MP Chromed unit. MMMM I can say certainly IS NOT even close to the Chromed box. Maybe on the RPM range ? I can't say because I never got it to the limit ( neither the chromed or the HiRev ) but the Chromed was definitelly more "sparky" or "happy" box by far. I'm agreed the Orange and the HiRev are more similar to each other.

Chromed and the original A688 FBO box were really close to each other.

In what way.....what is your evidance or data to support your statements....do they just look pretty or is it the chrome plating or the internal circuitry.....what does "more sparky or happy mean"? How are the orange box and HiRev similar...... enquiring minds want to know.....
BOB RENTON
 
Just by feelings driving around everyone of them. How they start up and response when giving throttle. Althought I never took them out to the limits, just regular driving.
 
Just by feelings driving around everyone of them. How they start up and response when giving throttle. Althought I never took them out to the limits, just regular driving.
So your comments are just subjective rather than objective? The comment "more sparky or happy" means exactly what? Did you measure the output of the box that produced the "more sparky" output and compare it to a box with less "sparky" output, and the difference between the two. And, happiness is a state of mind and not usually applied to inanimate things.....or perhaps your "ECU box" has conveyed its feelings to you in a special way....
BOB RENTON
 
If everything done by the book, nothing improves.
 
IMO, No matter which ECU you have, If it is not properly grounded, it will get hot and open the circuit leaving you dead in your tracks until it cools down. What I mean by properly grounded is less than k.03 ohms between the ECU case and the negative post on the battery. We all spiff up our engine compartments with a few coats of fresh paint and paint is not a good conductor. I got this education when I built my 65 Sport Fury and upgraded to the electronic ignition and orange box. It would always let me get about 20 minutes from home before shutting off the juice. It took replacing the coil, ballast resistor and tons of cuss words before I figured it out. Since scuffing off the paint under the screws 20 years ago the orange box is still doing duty. I met a guy with a 70 Challenger that was broke down along the Interstate on the way to the Nationals a few years ago. I stopped to help and he told me "it just shut off with no warning." Checked his orange box and it was too hot to touch. We scraped off some paint and he was back on his way. Now any time I install one, I get my digital meter out just to make sure there won't be a ground issue with it. A hotter coil and a bad ground on the ECU probably makes things worse.
 
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IMO, No matter which ECU you have, If it is not properly grounded, it will get hot and open the circuit leaving you dead in your tracks until it cools down. What I mean by properly grounded is less than k.03 ohms between the ECU case and the negative post on the battery. We all spiff up our engine compartments with a few coats of fresh paint and paint is not a good conductor. I got this education when I built my 65 Sport Fury and upgraded to the electronic ignition and orange box. It would always let me get about 20 minutes from home before shutting off the juice. It took replacing the coil, ballast resistor and tons of cuss words before I figured it out. Since scuffing off the paint under the screws 20 years ago the orange box is still doing duty. I met a guy with a 70 Challenger that was broke down along the Interstate on the way to the Nationals a few years ago. I stopped to help and he told me "it just shut off with no warning." Checked his orange box and it was too hot to touch. We scraped off some paint and he was back on his way. Now any time I install one, I get my digital meter out just to make sure there won't be a ground issue with it. A hotter coil and a bad ground on the ECU probably makes things worse.

The ECU MUST BE GROUNDED, either by a separate wire under one of the mounting bolts to the engine block or thru a clean metal surface under it and star lock washers. In the older ECU boxes, the transistor on the outside of the case is the device that switches the coil current off and on to create the spark. This transistor is a NPN Power Darlington design with internal surge protection but it has CURRENT switching limitations. These limitations are sometimes exceeded by the installation of high output coils, in search of "more horse power". Once the thermal limits, due to excessive switching currents, have been exceeded, the transistor is likely to fail, usually without warning.
Reportedly, some of the newer ECU's, use different types of transistors, like IGBT devices (Insulated Gate Bipolar Transistors) which can handle more heat, higher currents and switch faster and result in more dependable operation over longer time (MTBF) or mean time between failures. I believe the Pertronix devices use a Hall effect switch, allowing for a smaller package capable of greater current tolerances. Just my opinion of course.
BOB RENTON
 
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