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Killing a Black bear with a .22 rifle?

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In the newspaper a guy shot a 250lb black bear with a .22. Bear was threatening his dog. A lucky shot or did he use something larger and told police it was a .22? Maybe the reason he said he used a .22 he thought they'd take the rifle? Really think a .22 would kill a bear? Its been dry here and we've got a 300++ bear drinking out of our bird bath. Not going to plug him for that. Pain in the *** to go in the yard with him around.
 
Dad shot a lame bull in the head with a .22 to put him out of his misery. Next day, the bull was still alive and we had to increase the caliber. He wanted me to pull the trigger, but I passed.
 
Really think a .22 would kill a bear?
Maybe....but I would have thought a higher calibre and velocity rifle would be needed for such an animal.
A miss-fire or wound shot would only aggravate a bear.

Having said that, a few years ago here in NZ, (wow - 2010) an undercover detective was shot and killed by a single shot from small-bore rifle. True story - he was quietly planting a tracking device under a car when someone heard the rustling. (At the time, it was bandied around that the calibre was .177, it is still unclear if it was a .22) - Took a pot shot and killed him.
I have seen magpies hit with a .177, and fly away easily.

Article to first paragraph...
https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=10645725

Hiding in the shadows in the early hours of the morning, two members of a specialist police team crept into a driveway to place a tracking device on a grey Ford Explorer belonging to a suspected P cook.

Dressed in dark clothing, Sergeant Don Wilkinson and his partner were unaware they were under surveillance by a CCTV camera system at the Mangere East house and were "sprung" by their target, John Skinner, and his offsider, Iain Clegg, the High Court at Auckland heard yesterday.

The two policemen fled on foot, chased by Skinner and Clegg, who later said they thought the officers were intruders trying to steal a car.

Mr Wilkinson was cornered in a driveway and shot at close range with a powerful air rifle. He died at the scene. His partner, who can be known only as Officer M, survived.

This was the brief summary of the events leading up to the death of Mr Wilkinson, presented by Crown Solicitor Simon Moore, SC, in his opening address to the jury.

Skinner and Clegg have pleaded not guilty to murdering Mr Wilkinson and attempting to murder Officer M.

Skinner has also denied assaulting a third officer, known as Officer W.

The trial of Clegg and Skinner over the death of Mr Wilkinson on September 11, 2008, will give an insight into the secret world of surveillance by covert police operations.

A police veteran, Mr Wilkinson, 46, was a member of the tactical support unit, which helps police squads plant tracking and bugging devices on targets.

After being discovered trying to bug Skinner's car, Mr Wilkinson and Officer M ran into a neighbouring street, where they heard the sound of a powerful car engine.

Mr Moore said Skinner and Clegg "took off" in a Nissan Skyline car which "fishtailed" as they pursued the two policemen.

The officers ducked into the driveway of 41 Earlsworth Rd to hide. The Skyline went past, then reversed, and Clegg and Skinner got out.

"They [the police duo] realised they were in real trouble," said Mr Moore.

Skinner emerged with the muzzle of the airgun pointed at Officer M, standing metres away, he said.

Clegg then struck Officer M in the head with a weapon, breaking his nose and detaching the retina of his eye.

As he fell, he heard the gun discharge, making the soft sound of an airgun rather than the crack of a rifle.

The first lead pellet passed through his left arm. The second went through his thigh, then re-entered his groin and lodged near his hip.

The third hit his back, which was protected by a stab-resistant jacket. He described the impact as feeling like a kick.

"As he lay on the ground, he heard three more shots but was not hurt," Mr Moore said.

"He knew Don was nearby. He could hear him gurgling for some minutes but he was unable to help his friend."

Mr Wilkinson was not wearing a protective jacket and the pellets went into his chest.

He and Officer M were eventually found propped up against a fence. Colleagues checked Mr Wilkinson's pulse. His heart was still beating, but he was unresponsive. Paramedics worked on him for 30 minutes before he was pronounced dead.

Skinner and Clegg told police they believed the two officers were thieves trying to steal Clegg's Skyline. They asked why the police pair didn't identify themselves, and Skinner said he did not mean to kill Mr Wilkinson.

Mr Moore told the court the weapon used to shoot Mr Wilkinson and Officer M was a "destructive" airgun called the FX Monsoon.

It was the same calibre as a .22 rifle, was semi-automatic and was "deadly accurate and extremely powerful" even at 25 metres.

"All in all, this weapon is as serious as it looks," the Crown Solicitor said

Police investigating Mr Wilkinson's killing found chemicals used to manufacture methamphetamine in the house rented by Skinner, and the property "bristling" with security devices.

Mr Moore warned the jury against speculation that the defence lawyers might raise that this was "a bungled police operation and that somehow the officers brought it upon themselves".

"It's very easy criticism to make with the benefit of 20-20 hindsight," he said.

"This is not some sort of inquiry into police actions. It's a criminal trial."

In response to the Crown case, Skinner's lawyer, Marie Dyhrberg, made a brief opening statement on what she said would be important issues in the trial.

She told the jury her client believed the two police officers were burglars, as they were in dark clothing and were acting furtively on Skinner's property.

"John Skinner thought they were intruders," the defence lawyer said.

"It's not a case about someone knowingly harming police officers. It's about as far away from that as you can get."

Ms Dyhrberg also said Skinner did not intend to kill, or injure with the possibility to kill, anyone when he fired the airgun, and self-defence would be raised as an issue.

Stuart Grieve, QC, and Graeme Newell are representing Clegg.

Mr Grieve told the jury that Clegg did not intend to kill Officer M but admitted assaulting him.

"He punched [Officer M] and that is it as far as Mr Clegg is concerned."

Similarly, Mr Grieve said Mr Clegg did not kill Mr Wilkinson.

"He did not have the air rifle and he did not know what Mr Skinner was going to do."

The trial is expected to last three weeks.
 
In the newspaper a guy shot a 250lb black bear with a .22. Bear was threatening his dog. A lucky shot or did he use something larger and told police it was a .22? Maybe the reason he said he used a .22 he thought they'd take the rifle? Really think a .22 would kill a bear? Its been dry here and we've got a 300++ bear drinking out of our bird bath. Not going to plug him for that. Pain in the *** to go in the yard with him around.
Maybe a 220 Swift. (22 bullet with a 30.06 load)
 
Back in the 80's my brother spend a summer working for the USGS in Montana back country, every worker was issued a 38 revolver to protect themselves from bears.... Accept it was generally believed a 38 round wouldn't penetrate the bears skull & a body shot would just piss the bear off...

Most of the workers agreed if a bear were to attack the best use of the 38 was to shoot yourself so the suffering would end quickly....
 
One of the luckiest shots in history is by an eskimo who shot a polar bear between the eyes at very close range. The bear was hunting him ,he shot instinctively as it lunged at him and it dropped.
 
Put a CO2 powered pellet in this guys *** after him wrecked my wifes freshly planted flowers, she finished 3 hours before.
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Robert Kennedy was killed with a 22 pistol. John Henkley shot Ronald Regan with a 22. So, 22s can do some damage. Especially if it is a 22 mag. To put it another way, I don't want anyone shooting at me with a 22 or anything else for that matter. B.
 
.22LR is responsible for more deaths by gunshot than any other caliber, it was favored by the Mafia for many years. As to a shooting a bear, it is all about shot placement, I suspect that a lucky shot through the "right" spot would do it. Back in the 70's I lived on my uncles farm and they used a .22 LR to put down cows for butch every year.
 
Good Point 68MX. A buddy of mine carries a little small 25 auto pistol in his pocket, nearly always. He says, won't likely kill much, but I can make a hell of a lot of noise. He was Pres of a local bank before retiring. He is a Purple Heart, Bronze Star Helicopter guy from Nam. B.
 
I carry a 22 in the airplane to put me out of my misery when attacked by a bear on a back lake! :rolleyes:
 
Back in the 60s, our local meat locker here in town used a .22 LR round for the kill shot on hogs and cattle.
No doubt about it a .22 LR will kill anything in North America with lucky or careful shot placment.
 
Slaughter houses here use .22 magnum to kill cows
 
Around here, all you're gonna do with a 22 is piss off the bear.
Not just a saying - I've witnessed same.
Many moons ago, my dad decided to run off a bear that had meandered down off the ridge
to his woodshed - and then even close to the house.
All my dad had loaded at the moment was his restored 22LR Winchester pump, which he proceeded
to pop the bear with in its' haunches...

Now, all of this is going on unbeknownst to me, of course - until I got a rather frantic phone call
from my dad, as I sat on my front deck cleaning my Dan Wesson 44mag, incidentally.
(It's important to the story to know that Pops' place was all cedar siding and his main entrance was actually
sliding glass doors around back going into the kitchen, facing the ridge.)

Pop is raising hell on the other end of the line, hollering something about "COME GET THIS DAMN BEAR OFF
MY HOUSE BEFORE IT COMES THROUGH THE WALL!"

Well, there's a call one doesn't get every day.... ;-)

More curious than anything else, I grab the 44 and a couple speedloaders and head off to Pop's....
When I come up his drive, I'm greeted to the sight of a pretty fair sized black bear at Pop's back door -
well, next to his door, anyways - having a party biting and clawing away at the house siding and genuinely
raising hell.
If ever a bear has had a hissy fit, I was witnessing one right there and then.

(Ok, I admit it now....I waited a moment in the truck to regain my composure after laughing my fool head
off for a bit).
I chucked 6 into the Wesson, put the other speedloader in my pocket....

Eventually, I got out and slowly approached the back of the house, whooping and hollering with my hands up
in the air, "making myself big" as the "experts" tell you to do, trying to get Mr. Bear's attention and to run him
off.
Well - he wasn't impressed. He saw me but didn't even bother to really slow down the destruction work on
Pop's house, which was now showing some insulation inside the wall where the bear had ripped some siding
off.
Hmmm. Ok then - perhaps a little more noise was needed here....
I lit off a round from the 44 straight up in the air. Dang thing even startled me - and I knew it was coming!
The bear froze solid, then slowly got back down on all fours and turned towards me, catching its' breath
and trying to sort out what to do next.
Oh ****....I hadn't counted on that reaction...
ASSUME DIRTY HARRY SHOOTING POSITION!

The bear instantly had lost all interest in the house and now was all about ME. :eek:
My instincts told me that I had foolishly gotten too close to outrun the thing, so it was FIGHT time.
The plan? One more warning shot, a lot closer to him this time - followed immediately by the other
4 right at him if that didn't work.
Please, God...
Fired shot #2, right over his shoulder :elmer:- and he stopped his approach, hesitated...
Then turned tail and ran.
Thank you Lord! :lowdown:
Pop, having watched all this through the door, comes be-bopping out the door with that 22 pea shooter
and fires off another round at the fleeing bear in defiance.
I told him if he didn't put that damn thing down, I was gonna choke him with it...:lol:

So no.... a 22LR is not a good choice for a bear, unless you want up close and personal interactions with one.
 
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