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Trick Flow 240s vs Bruce Toth ported heads

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I am building up a 493 stroker for my 68 Charger. I'm going to be going with a Holley Street Dominator intake that has been deep gasket matched. Yes, I know some other intakes may be a little better but I like not having a hole in the hood. I have a solid lifter Hughes 242/248 @50 cam. I am trying to decide which heads to go with. Does anyone have any real world experience with either the Trick Flow 240 or Bruce Toth's ported heads? I know Mr. Toth has been at this a long time and is quite knowledgeable. There is very little cost difference between the two and every flow bench sheet I've seen favors the Trick Flows. I also know flow benches are not always indicative of real world performance and they vary greatly between benches, conditions, and operators. Any advice will be greatly appreciated before I drop upwards of $2k on a set of heads.
 
The Edelbrock Performer RPM intake fits with a dropped base air cleaner BUT if you are set on the SD intake, that is your decision to make.
I've never heard of Bruce but from what I have seen the Trick Flow heads are very good, needing nothing except cleaning before installation.
I am considering them for my red car when I get up the 'gumption to pull the engine for a piston swap.
 
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Kern Dog said:
The Edelbrock Performer RPM intake fits with a dropped base air cleaner BUT if you are set on the SD intake, that is your decision to make.
I've never heard of Bruce but from what I have seen the Trick Flow heads are very good, needing nothing except cleaning before in stallation.
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I have the SD already and a M1 single plane. I like not having to go buy another intake.
 
why not spend a little more and go with used B1s if you're already spending 2k+ on heads?
hunt around on marketplace and ebay. I see them every once in a while.
 
Special pistons to match the valve size & location, angle and depth plus the valve gear, headers & intake.
 
Rebel426 said:
B1s require all sorts of special gear to go with them.
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Maybe they mean the B-1 B/S heads? Nothing special, except a slight offset intake rocker arm, and small 65cc chambers.

Mocajava has a 493 stroked 383 with the Bruce Toth's heads. Same type setup too. Holly street dominator intake, Sniper EFI. Not sure on cam specs or compression. It sounds pretty good. You might try sending him a personal message?

The TF240 is a good head. The recommended HS rocker arm set has gotten really expensive for those heads. Not sure what alternate choices there are?
 
What is the cars desired purpose?? Sounds like it's going to be a satisfying build either way, IMO.
 
Imo, there would have to be a pretty noticeable price difference to sway things towards any non-TF Head.

There is no BB Mopar Head that comes close in terms of overall fit and finish, flow, ease of use, and performance........ for the same money.
 
Lefty71 said:
What is the cars desired purpose?? Sounds like it's going to be a satisfying build either way, IMO.
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It will be almost 100% street driven. It’s going to be my fun car. The performance difference won’t really matter too terribly much but I would rather get the most bang for my buck and they are similarly priced options. I’m also interested to hear experiences with the heads. Issues encountered, installation problems, long term satisfaction, etc.
 
We are running a single plane m1 on our rb 510 in our charger...850 dp and a drop base air cleaner. We used to have a 440 with Mp stage VI heads and ran the intake spacers and the same intake and carb...and we have a dent in the hood from the air cleaner stud to remind us how tight that was ..but no hole in the hood....if you have a single plane M1 I would use that over the street dominator.
I would do the Trick flows.
 
451Mopar said:
The TF240 is a good head. The recommended HS rocker arm set has gotten really expensive for those heads. Not sure what alternate choices there are?
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The T F 240 requires a unique rocker arm arrangement?

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I have these Mancini racing 1.6 rockers that they claimed were made by Harland Sharp. They fit fine on my Edelbrocks.
They won't work with the TF 240s? What is changed that requires a different setup?
 
Kern Dog said:
The T F 240 requires a unique rocker arm arrangement?

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I have these Mancini racing 1.6 rockers that they claimed were made by Harland Sharp. They fit fine on my Edelbrocks.
They won't work with the TF 240s? What is changed that requires a different setup?
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It's not so much that they 'require' a special rocker, but they've relocated the stands slightly for better geometry with the HS rockers. I (think!) they figured since all the aftermarket stuff is a little different, they picked the Harlands to use as their template and went from there. Our Edelbrocks are basically modeled after the factory heads which throw the swipe pattern off a bit with pretty much any aftermarket roller rockers.
This gets into that whole 'when should I correct my geometry' argument though:poke:
Honestly I don't know why the Mancini rockers (that's what I have too) wouldn't work the same as the HS-branded rockers, unless their different dimensionally. I haven't compared the two side-by-side but they look the same to me.
 
One person who knows both heads and can give you the best recommendation for your build is Bruce himself. He’s a straight up and honest guy, just give him a call.
 
67charger383 said:
why not spend a little more and go with used B1s if you're already spending 2k+ on heads?
hunt around on marketplace and ebay. I see them every once in a while.
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67charger383 said:
huh. didn't know
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Really? I’m a small block guy and I knew that. No big deal! At least, now you know. Happens to me as well. Getting surprised on something on the engines I live to build and race. But you can’t have done it all. It amazes me how some guys (claim?) they did. Better than pulling the trigger yourself only to find things getting really expensive later. You would probably want to shoot off your foot when you found out. LMAO! Been there done that crap! I’m so very glad these forums have the been there done that on there car guys to soundly recommend it to someone asking. Can’t beat it.

Trick Flows = Best bang for the buck going on.
 
It’s interesting how distorted information gets on the ‘net.

The HS that are recommended by TF for their heads are not “designed” specifically to use on TF heads.

The “E” in the part number is actually for Edelbrock.
The “normal” HS rockers are a little too long on the valve side of the shaft for Edelbrock heads.
So HS tweaked them a little, and gave them a separate part number.
The HS “E” rockers existed before there was any such thing as TF heads for BB Mopars.

Apparently, when TF was designing the heads, that’s the rocker they were using to determine the relationship between the rocker, rocker shaft saddle, and the valve tip.

Basically, rockers that fit Ede heads properly....... will fit TF heads very similarly.

It’s not a big deal.
 
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