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Eddy carb question

Solder is a different weight than aluminum.
This is why I asked.
Going faster, in your application, is good to hear. This is not a clear and definitive route to take for all applications.
And once you go to far, a new one is not available but a core would provide a replacement.

The AVS & TQ may have adjustable secondary air door settings but they were not designed for the public to fool with them even though they could. To say they were designed that way, for the public to screw around with, is an insane statement and even crazier to actually believe in.

The counterweight is not aluminum. Irrespective of the material, do you really think it would be hard to add the weight back in? I can think of at least four ways to add weight back in, with adjustability.

It was probably 1976, when I was 17 years old, when I figured out that the air valve was adjustable on AVS. Back when the Mancini family ran the place and raced cars, they would give pointers on how to adjust the air valve base on suspension and track conditions to get the best 60 ft time.

As I was typing this, I thought that I would look in the DC bulletins. Regarding the AFB, they say ".....remove a 1/4" of metal from the counter weight for quicker opening...."

I must be crazy. There is no doubt in my mind that they made the AVS and TQ adjustable for a reason.
 
The counterweight is not aluminum. Irrespective of the material, do you really think it would be hard to add the weight back in? I can think of at least four ways to add weight back in, with adjustability.
Is it hard to add weight back in you asked, I think that depends on the persons ability and the capability of there garage.

As I was typing this, I thought that I would look in the DC bulletins. Regarding the AFB, they say ".....remove a 1/4" of metal from the counter weight for quicker opening...."
And how do you add a 1/4 of metal back on?
Once shaven off.
I must be crazy. There is no doubt in my mind that they made the AVS and TQ adjustable for a reason.

What You stated above is not what your saying now.
Pick and choose one.
The carbs ability to be adjusted was not intended for the general public to fiddle with. As you stated it was.
For the racer/hot rodder/super tuner group, modifying any part of the car is par for the corse.
 
There are a lot bigger issues with the 1411/1407 besides a non adjustable weighted air door
Not the only area on those carbs that’s needs a drill bit

That’s why I made my smart *** comment in post #9

You want an adjustable air door - Buy the AVS
And yes they are made for the general public to adjust
 
You want an adjustable air door - Buy the AVS
And yes they are made for the general public to adjust
The modern versions, absolutely!
The factory issued OE, No.
 
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Then why did the 1968-1971 Carter AVS OEM have a standard lock
screw (Standard screwdriver)

Instead of a rivet on the air door spring adjustment ?
 
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Then why did the 1968-1971 Carter AVS OEM have a standard lock
screw (Standard screwdriver)

Instead of a rivet on the air door spring adjustment ?
Let me ask you something. If I can’t answer that question, does that automatically make you or anyone else right in that the carb was designed for the general public to adjust for themselves to do better than what the factory engineers set up? As stated earlier, that it was so designed that way.
 
The OP asked if he could drill or shave the AFB counterweight because he wants to effect a change. I said yes. You recommended against it for no other reason other than your apparent zero experience based opinion. Ignore the fact that it can be done, has been done, and can improve performance. Is your opinion such because you think it is beyond his capability, or do you just think it is not right for him?

And you really seem hung up on adding the weight back in on the AFB, and whether Carter intended the owners of their AVS carb to adjust them. Wow, is this where the hobby is today?
 
Wow! You seem angry. Forgive me for chopping up your reply for answers.
The OP asked if he could drill or shave the AFB counterweight because he wants to effect a change. I said yes. You recommended against it for no other reason other than your apparent zero experience based opinion.
This is incorrect. It only seems to you that way save one item of adding weight back on. But that was obvious since I asked. I wonder, after reading tour response, about your lack of inexperienced since your luck has held in that you haven’t gone overboard in taking off to much weight and go slower. If that was the case, I thought I’d ask. Otherwise, your just throwing darts in the dark hoping to hit something.
Ignore the fact that it can be done, has been done, and can improve performance.
I’m not ignoring that fact that it can be done, I did it thank you very much.
I’m not ignoring that fact that it has been done, my reply to that is above and I’ve and learn from others.
And I have gained performance from it. And then have gone to far. Instead of adding weight back in, I went to my core pile of used carbs and grabbed a part. You said you have several ways of adding weight back on? Show it, describe it. Let’s go!

You accusations are baseless like a hurt 13 YO girl. So sad.
Don’t act this way. It demoted you.

Is your opinion such because you think it is beyond his capability, or do you just think it is not right for him?
Neither
And you really seem hung up on adding the weight back in on the AFB, and whether Carter intended the owners of their AVS carb to adjust them.
You seem really hung up on riding my *** on this when it was a simple question I asked and a simple warning I gave about adding weight back on which may or may not be out of his wheel house of expertise. Since it is not out of yours, there is the question, to you.
Wow, is this where the hobby is today?
You act like I’m against the hobby on modifications.
How you ***-U-ME this is beyond me. Or is it because I don’t fall to my feet agreeing with you and kiss your lard *** cheering you on a ultra fantastic idea.

Seriously, you need to get off the pole and go hit a tub and relax. And remember, your a moron to assume such things of myself and others. Now stop acting like a butt hurt 13 YO girl and do the right thing, actually help someone and kick that ego of yours to the side and act like a normal person that enjoys the hobby and helping people.

Or we can sling mud for the rest of time if you wish.
I find it a great past time myself. But it doesn’t help anyone now does it? Throwing false Accusations and insults.

Your call! Measure and weigh your reply carefully. It will dictate everything from here on out.
 
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Very nice.

If you get a chance, pick this up.

IMG_2443 1.jpg
 
I own that one and the slightly newer cover version.

So tell me or us, when you shave the weight off of the counter weight, how do YOU add the weight back on?
I’ve been asking, no answer yet. Any one of your four ways will be fine to read about.
 
It's just does not seem right continuing the discussion. I appoligize to the OP, Rumblefish and everyone for my part of this discussion derailment. I'm way okay with anyone believing that my lack of response is evidance that there is no good way to add weight.
 
No apology needed! Absolutely continue this post and show or tell us how to add weight back into the air doors counter weighted side. Most specifically, after it has been ground off with a dremel or like tool. I am VERY sure that EVERYONE Will benefit from this tutelage.

What is the metal that air door is made off?
Did you weld weight back on?
Wire size, amp setting?

At one point in your replies, you stated something to the effect of “ Wow, is this where the hobby is today?”
It’s right here and now. Helping each other with hopefully been there and done that advice and experiences or at the very least, an actual visual or 110% trust worthy friend telling you what he did and etc.... that fits the question or situation at hand.

When I make m suggestions as the one you jumped on me about, it is with the care and concern that possibly that person can not do what is needed. Which in this case may or may not be the case. So, error on the side of safety was the course & I get crappy replies instead trying to beat me up as a know nothing inexperienced idiot just talking smack for the same of argument? That simply isn’t the truth or how I think. The way I see it, if you ain’t helpin, it’s gotta be joke telling time making light of things. I didn’t see or feel that.
I’m ever so glad we’re adults here.....

Don’t bail out now and be a victim of your own mud slinging.
The pulpit is yours to start schooling.

It's just does not seem right continuing the discussion. I appoligize to the OP, Rumblefish and everyone for my part of this discussion derailment. I'm way okay with anyone believing that my lack of response is evidance that there is no good way to add weight.
 
Wow! Maybe it's the combination of Covid and the election, but... Wow! At least one of you tried to cease hostilities and stop the bleeding. Thanks.
 
Wow! Maybe it's the combination of Covid and the election, but... Wow! At least one of you tried to cease hostilities and stop the bleeding. Thanks.
I’m just wanting to learn something.
Now, I’m just waiting to see what is posted up on adding the weight back on to a ground down counter weight.
 
He was here at 3:39pm. I guess he ether never actually done this or he is holding back screwing us all.

@BSB67 Thanks for helping all us MoPar brothers out.
 
Why were my replies deleted?

As I said before after this post...

Thanks, I have that & the updated version.
In other posts, I re-asked you twice to show or tell us how it was done. Welded? What wire? Amperage setting?

You've been here twice. Where’s the hobby you say!
Here’s your chance to demonstrate!
 
Just looking for a little help....

I own that one and the slightly newer cover version.

So tell me or us, when you shave the weight off of the counter weight, how do YOU add the weight back on?
I’ve been asking, no answer yet. Any one of your four ways will be fine to read about.

It's just does not seem right continuing the discussion. I appoligize to the OP, Rumblefish and everyone for my part of this discussion derailment. I'm way okay with anyone believing that my lack of response is evidance that there is no good way to add weight.

No apology needed! Absolutely continue this post and show or tell us how to add weight back into the air doors counter weighted side. Most specifically, after it has been ground off with a dremel or like tool. I am VERY sure that EVERYONE Will benefit from this tutelage.

What is the metal that air door is made off?
Did you weld weight back on?
Wire size, amp setting?

At one point in your replies, you stated something to the effect of “ Wow, is this where the hobby is today?”
It’s right here and now. Helping each other with hopefully been there and done that advice and experiences or at the very least, an actual visual or 110% trust worthy friend telling you what he did and etc.... that fits the question or situation at hand.

When I make m suggestions as the one you jumped on me about, it is with the care and concern that possibly that person can not do what is needed. Which in this case may or may not be the case. So, error on the side of safety was the course & I get crappy replies instead trying to beat me up as a know nothing inexperienced idiot just talking smack for the same of argument? That simply isn’t the truth or how I think. The way I see it, if you ain’t helpin, it’s gotta be joke telling time making light of things. I didn’t see or feel that.
I’m ever so glad we’re adults here.....

Don’t bail out now and be a victim of your own mud slinging.
The pulpit is yours to start schooling.

Wow! Maybe it's the combination of Covid and the election, but... Wow! At least one of you tried to cease hostilities and stop the bleeding. Thanks.

I’m just wanting to learn something.
Now, I’m just waiting to see what is posted up on adding the weight back on to a ground down counter weight.

He was here at 3:39pm. I guess he ether never actually done this or he is holding back screwing us all.

@BSB67 Thanks for helping all us MoPar brothers out.
 
Dan Dvorak had suggested at one time removing one weight completly. Easy enough to grind the swedge and remove the weight. Could always epoxy it back on. Granted that's a huge change in weight. But its an easy staying point.
Doug
 
If you have to grind and modify a carb it sounds like you may have the wrong one. The AVS's have an adjustable secondary. Try one of those. If the OP wants that big bog sound when he romps on the gas maybe he should get a Qjet or Thermoquad. Hacking up a carburetor isn't a good idea.
 
If the car needs the secondaries it will open them. It works on engine demand. The afb and avs design is a mechanical linkage so they open up but only take in air the engine needs through the butterfly.
 
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