WANT to DITCH Electronic Ignition 69 A12

70chall440 · Dec 9, 2020

Its kind of funny to read things like this and all the people who come out in support of the old technology. Sure it worked (to a point) but obviously there was a reason the manufacturers went away from it; was it cheaper, not even close in this case, so why then did electronic ignition become the standard for every car manufacturer? Well before the "emissions" hats comes out, I would argue that while this was a part of the reason, it definitely was not the entire reason. Electronic ignition became the standard because it was in fact more reliable, produced a more consistent spark and was more reliable (little to wear out, little to "slip", etc.). Sure, they had problems just like everything else but overall they were/are better. This is the same issue with EFI and despite what some will say it is better is almost every way other than perhaps WOT runs.

Hey, if you want points then so be it, your car and you can do what you want. For me, I will put electronic ignition and EFI on everything I can as soon as I can. Hell, I even put electronic ignition on my 48 Ford 8N tractor. Used to be I would have to pull of the distributor cap and clean/gap the points at least once a year but since I changed over I have never touched the distributor (over 5 years ago).

halojumper · Dec 9, 2020

70chall440 said:
Its kind of funny to read things like this and all the people who come out in support of the old technology. Sure it worked (to a point) but obviously there was a reason the manufacturers went away from it; was it cheaper, not even close in this case, so why then did electronic ignition become the standard for every car manufacturer? Well before the "emissions" hats comes out, I would argue that while this was a part of the reason, it definitely was not the entire reason. Electronic ignition became the standard because it was in fact more reliable, produced a more consistent spark and was more reliable (little to wear out, little to "slip", etc.). Sure, they had problems just like everything else but overall they were/are better. This is the same issue with EFI and despite what some will say it is better is almost every way other than perhaps WOT runs.

Hey, if you want points then so be it, your car and you can do what you want. For me, I will put electronic ignition and EFI on everything I can as soon as I can. Hell, I even put electronic ignition on my 48 Ford 8N tractor. Used to be I would have to pull of the distributor cap and clean/gap the points at least once a year but since I changed over I have never touched the distributor (over 5 years ago).

I have a 331 hemi (sitting on a cradle) with an MSD ready to run electronic distributor (gasp!) Old tech is cool, but new tech is also great. I have heard that people complain about working on new stuff doesn't have a soul to it. Nonsense. I have an '11 Charger RT, and I will just get a hand held tuner(no big deal)

70chall440 · Dec 9, 2020

Well alfalfa you just keep running points and carbs if thats what you want but the facts are the facts and you can disagree all you like.

70chall440 · Dec 9, 2020

I am running EFI and electronic ignition on my 56 Deosoto 330 hemi, runs great. The thought of running points never even crossed my mind when I built it. I did run a carb for about a month until the needle was sticking (brand new Holley 600), so off it came and a Fitech EFI system went on, never looked back.

halojumper · Dec 9, 2020

70chall440 said:
I am running EFI and electronic ignition on my 56 Deosoto 330 hemi, runs great. The thought of running points never even crossed my mind when I built it. I did run a carb for about a month until the needle was sticking (brand new Holley 600), so off it came and a Fitech EFI system went on, never looked back.

I always preferred Edelbrock to holley. Watch how I'll get ambushed on that one, I will have to extricate myself out of the kill zone

B5 70 r/r · Dec 9, 2020

Picked up my original 68 440hp gtx engine,arrived in crate from the States to Australia.Still has the original duel point distributor.It is going in early post 68 Roadrunner.Points look as new.Does anyone know if wiring will be the same as 383 single point?

65-440 · Dec 9, 2020

halojumper said:
Ok, would it not be a bad idea to have an extra ballast resistor, ecu etc to have in case it decides to puke? Nothing wrong with points at all. I am running a mopar electronic ignition, because they are more plentiful. It's not 1972 anymore. The car I'm building hardly calls for the factory numbers correct distributor (or dizzy...yikes). To each his own in the end. What Renton said is funny that people that want to run an electronic ignition because a buddy does, or some intangible reason....really?

BINGO !!! You beat me too it. Like its so hard to carry an ECU, ballast and coil among the other "just in case" parts.... I find the argument ridiculous really.
Bob Renton, I do agree older sound equipment does have a unique and cool tone to it. No argument there, I just made to comment about converting my car radios to make them better kinda like switching to electronic ignition. Yeah the old stuff worked but doesn't mean they can't be improved upon.

halojumper · Dec 9, 2020

70chall440 said:
Well alfalfa you just keep running points and carbs if thats what you want but the facts are the facts and you can disagree all you like.

Alfalfa...lmao!

halojumper · Dec 9, 2020

65-440 said:
BINGO !!! You beat me too it. Like its so hard to carry an ECU, ballast and coil among the other "just in case" parts.... I find the argument ridiculous really.
Bob Renton, I do agree older sound equipment does have a unique and cool tone to it. No argument there, I just made to comment about converting my car radios to make them better kinda like switching to electronic ignition. Yeah the old stuff worked but doesn't mean they can't be improved upon.

Sent off my original radio for an fm conversion. Amplitude modulation...pffftt.

65-440 · Dec 9, 2020

halojumper said:
Sent off my original radio for an fm conversion. Amplitude modulation...pffftt.

I got a guy local to me that does them, I have zero regrets. Did both my thumb wheel radios. Look bone stock on the outside but now AM/FM/BLUETOOTH/ USB, and the sound is awesome. I drive my cars all year and good tunes is a must!

RJRENTON · Dec 9, 2020

halojumper said:
Sent off my original radio for an fm conversion. Amplitude modulation...pffftt.

Amplitude Modulation, or AM, to us ancient citizens is WONDERFUL.....for listening to baseball games (to and from local car cruises..weather permitting), news broadcasts, static, and mostly, the prevalent ignition noise generated by our points and non suppression core spark plug wires and non resistor plugs......nostalgia is a wonderful thing...??...
BOB RENTON

halojumper · Dec 9, 2020

RJRENTON said:
Amplitude Modulation, or AM, to us ancient citizens is WONDERFUL.....for listening to baseball games (to and from local car cruises..weather permitting), news broadcasts, static, and mostly, the prevalent ignition noise generated by our points and non suppression core spark plug wires non resistor plugs......nostalgia is a wonderful thing...??...
BOB RENTON

Sure, and jumping the old ww2 T3, or even the T10 parachute with the dial of death harness release sounds cool. But, I wouldn't want to haha.

70chall440 · Dec 9, 2020

halojumper said:
Sure, and jumping the old ww2 T3, or even the T10 parachute with the dial of death harness release sounds cool. But, I wouldn't want to haha.

hey hey now... I've got quite a lot of T10 jumps... LOL it was great for mass tac jumps bc people were not steering all over the place.

halojumper · Dec 9, 2020

70chall440 said:
hey hey now... I've got quite a lot of T10 jumps... LOL it was great for mass tac jumps bc people were not steering all over the place.

Never had problems steering my crash one bravo. T10, and the good old riser slip. The dash one charlie, zero porosity. I remember the T10 oscillation blues.

70chall440 · Dec 9, 2020

I broke both my ankles jumping a dash one Charlie in CA out of a Blackhawk, that sucked! I got in between 2 hot air columns and slammed into the ground from about 60'.

RJRENTON · Dec 9, 2020

halojumper said:
Never had problems steering my crash one bravo. T10, and the good old riser slip. The dash one charlie, zero porosity. I remember the T10 oscillation blues.

And speaking of nostalgia....the Bell UH-1H (Hotel) and its variants....a great ship...got me in and out of trouble spots...crew of 4....i flew the bird, right seat, 2 door gunners, left seat copilot....could be overloaded...during rescue where every body counts.....Ran it on redline (EGT + TRANS TEMP + Rotor speed) most of the time especially during critical evacs.. sometimes fake the check list/ops instructions .... the old saying definitely applies..."treat her like a lady and she'll always bring you home"........ a time, long long ago..and far far away, rhat I don't want to remember....don't ask...
BOB RENTON

halojumper · Dec 9, 2020

RJRENTON said:
And speaking of nostalgia....the Bell UH-1H (Hotel) and its variants....a great ship...got me in and out of trouble spots...crew of 4....i flew the bird, right seat, 2 door gunners, left seat copilot....could be overloaded...during rescue where every body counts.....Ran it on redline (EGT + TRANS TEMP + Rotor speed) most of the time especially during critical evacs.. sometimes fake the check list/ops instructions .... the old saying definitely applies..."treat her like a lady and she'll always bring you home"........ a time, long long ago..and far far away, rhat I don't want to remember....don't ask...
BOB RENTON

The sound of a Huey will be forever imprinted on me. Nothing sounds like them. I'm sure the 'Nam was a nightmare, but everyone of you that served in that Southeast Asian hell hole are heroes. Welcome home.

halojumper · Dec 9, 2020

70chall440 said:
I broke both my ankles jumping a dash one Charlie in CA out of a Blackhawk, that sucked! I got in between 2 hot air columns and slammed into the ground from about 60'.

That sucked. I hope you recovered ok. Most of my jumps were night jumps, not because I had my eyes closed haha.

70chall440 · Dec 9, 2020

Actually, no I really didn't. It took me over a year to be able to run again. I still have bone fragments floating around in my angles and every once in awhile a piece will get into the joint, feels like someone driving an icepick into your ankle. Like most, I definitely preferred MFF over static line however it was not without its issues either. We were jumping in Guam and doing some RW work, I went a little low and end up pulling head down, snapped me back up and ended up causing some neck damage; degenerative bone disease but I have been able to mitigate it though some exercise.

Oh well, I have zero regrets. I had an awesome time for most of it, especially blowing **** up and going all over the place.

halojumper · Dec 9, 2020

70chall440 said:
Actually, no I really didn't. It took me over a year to be able to run again. I still have bone fragments floating around in my angles and every once in awhile a piece will get into the joint, feels like someone driving an icepick into your ankle. Like most, I definitely preferred MFF over static line however it was not without its issues either. We were jumping in Guam and doing some RW work, I went a little low and end up pulling head down, snapped me back up and ended up causing some neck damage; degenerative bone disease but I have been able to mitigate it though some exercise.

Oh well, I have zero regrets. I had an awesome time for most of it, especially blowing **** up and going all over the place.

I was C.co 2nd bn 75th infantry. I was wounded in a training accident. I suffered multiple gunshot wounds, that destroyed my lower left leg, significant damage to muscle tissue in my left humerus, and a bullet fragment penetration into my left chest wall. I still have metal densities in all those areas. I too have no regrets. I would do it all over again. I have jumped the MTXX, MT1XR, MC3 mff rigs. I also skydived for about fifteen years. My sport rig was a javelin container pd 210 main, pdr 176 cypres aad. That was great fun. I forgot to mention the canopy in my sport rig was F111 nylon. I think they are all zero p now. I had line dump on a jump, and I sat the rest of the day

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