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An 86 Mudstain 5.0 5 speed run 14.70 in stock form?

Cranky

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The hosts on Hot Rod Garage are saying Shot Rod Rag did a track test on one and got those times with it. I don't remember them doing that back then. Heck, my 92 Dakota with 3.90 gears was only doing 15.30 and was hanging with them if they were stock.....
 
Yeah 15.20s... 14.80-.70 in a perfect world
 
My sister had a convertible GT back then.... i think you are right, it was a little slower, but she ran faster with passengers (no sh*t) because traction was always an issue in that car. She bought it lightly used, but I would swear it had one of the FrodMotorsports cams in it already...... I think i have some old slips of her-vs-my '66 Belvy, ill have to hunt
 
The only non-Mopar I ever owned from new was a 1989 Ford Mustang LX Sport 5.0.

I picked it because I was coming off the nightmare of owning an '85 Dodge GLH Turbo,
which was a blast to drive - when it wasn't in the shop, which it was pretty much
every other month from new.
That GLH ate every sensor at least twice and then grenaded the final drive right out of
the transaxle, all before 50k miles - which was fortuitous, since that was the warranty on it.
I had to fight like crazy to get Chrysler to cover the new transaxle and the moment I
got it out of the shop from that, it was time to cut my losses and trade that biyotch...

Ma wasn't making anything RWD and performance in those days and I sure as hell didn't
want anything GM (yeah, I test drove an IROC and a Formula, both of which had "gingerbread
rattles" brand new), so the default was the Mustang in my price range.

I hated all the crap "cladding" they glued on the Mustang GT (not to mention, those hideous WHEELS!)
so when I found out you could get all the guts of the GT in an LX, that was the solution -
but when I found out Ford was making the LX Sport (which had all the interior upgrades and
such of the GT without the crap glued on outside), the decision was made - and as it turned out,
I went from having the LEAST dependable vehicle ever to the MOST dependable with the 5.0...

I can't believe I'm saying this, but:
it was the only Ford I ever owned - and it was *gasp* the best car, period, too up to that point.
I always said it should have been a Mopar - I beat hell out of it routinely and it didn't care.
It was a 5 speed (of course!) that I found at a dealer that was being ordered to shut down by the
state of MD for shady dealing practices, so I got it at the right price, too - although I found out later
the thing had been stolen off the lot and recovered at some point to boot.
I raced it in SCCA the first two years I owned it; it was my daily driver, commuter car as well.
The other fellas racing them then would warn me of the weaknesses in the T-5 tranny or the 8.8 rear;
neither ever gave me a single issue.
When I had hernia surgery, I drove it without using the clutch for a couple months even...
the car was literally indestructible.

More to Cranky's question, the only time I ran it down a strip, I worked it down to a 14.8 on the stock
Goodyear gatorbacks - traction was an issue, but the thing didn't crowhop, so I learned how to walk it
out and then let 'er eat, since it wasn't the most powerful thing in the world.
(The stock brakes on those cars were CRAP; big discs in front, tiny Pinto drums in the rear. I tried
EVERY possible pad combination; all would die of fade rapidly, since I liked running backroads with it
like a man possessed most every night).
I owned that car until the sun had faded the red paint to damn near pink; my wife used it as a daily
towards the end even; I trusted the car that much.

It wasn't until the early 2000's that I considered selling the car, despite the fact we had moved on to
other more modern rides. I saw an ad for a group in Knoxville looking for 5.0's to restore, called them
up and told them what I had - which as younger fellas, they didn't believe.
They brought out an enclosed transport and as I talked turkey with the dealer of the two, the mechanic
"expert" with him climbed all over and under the car, then took it out for a test.
He came back, all wide eyed and said "he's not lying - this car has NEVER been apart and the driveline
is perfect!"
Hey boys, Mobil1 since new....and the car had over 250k miles on it at the time.
The clutch hadn't even ever been out of the car before. Not joking.
They run off with it, promising to send me updates on the car's restoration - which I never got any of.
Never heard from them again, sadly...

So what I'm saying here is - you'll never hear me say a cross word about those cars. They were built
like tanks and Ma SHOULD have been building something just like them in those days...

There is a happy ending to my story though - a little bit later, the present-day hemi Rams were announced
and I got excited about a new vehicle for the first time in a long time.
Bert the '04 Ram SLT 4x4 hemi came home with me not too long afterwards, after I had long since drove
my wife crazy with researching and test driving and going all over the countryside looking for one.
The right vehicle makes itself known to me usually; when I saw Bert sitting out front of a dealer, in the
front lawn in front of all the other cars on the lot, I just knew from the highway that he was the one.
I've told that story before - but here, a lot of years later, he's still with us and has almost taken over the
title of "my best car ever owned".:thumbsup:
(Bert still has another 80k to go before he gets to the 5.0's miles :) )
 
To put it all in perspective though... My Dad bought a well preserved 68 300 440 tnt with about 40 some thousand miles in the late 90's. With all bone stock points, carb, mufflers, everything, on crappy 15" all seasons, it would run consistent 14.90s-80s at about 4400 lbs. Just sayin
 
it's a 80's POS Rustang, who cares :poke:

the 80's were such a sucky era for cars

the GNX was about the only good thing produced

the GTA Trans Am weren't too bad either

a couple of the GLH Shelby cars was quick, fugly as hell too
the lil' Chargers were cool in P/S trim, otherwise POS fwd's

the Ford Lightning was quick, for near 5,000#'s

maybe with mineshaft air at sea level
a perfect launch, very lil' wheel hop/slipage
on a 70* day, cloud cover
with 90* track temps
on it's 'best run' possible, ever
or a driver very well use to the car & the shifter, or pro
might run a 14.70

what were they 200hp & maybe 180hp net for a 5.0ltr
or something like that
 
2 and a quarter! Same as the shelby daytona / spirit R/T
 
A 1986 Had a different engine and not as good, it didn’t run anywhere close to what a 1989 would do in stock form.

1986 200HP
1987 225HP
The mass airflow sensor engine was the one to have, put on in 1988 or 1989

I worked on them at the dealership. They were good cars and fun cars to drive. I almost bought one new but too much ugly stick on crap, they looked too cheesy For me. Agree with @moparedtn about these cars.

a coupe LX with no AC was in the 14 all,day, the others were very hi 14’s. But it was 15’s for the loaded GT’s. It’s a 300 inch engine so any weight made a big difference.

@Budnicks did you ever drive a 1988 5.0 mustang stick shift? Probably not or your post would be different. And that’s fine, they look cheap but are fun cars. And a lightning pickup was OK but too big and not like driving a fast car.
 
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I’ve seen fox body stangs run mid 14’s all day long with nothing more than a pair of 2 chamber flow’s and a BBK cold air intake.
A modestly built 302 and some 373 gears will run 12’s easy. Baytown Raceway still hosts the mildly built 5.0 from time to time, next time i see one running I’ll record a video and post it.
 
I’ve seen fox body stangs run mid 14’s all day long with nothing more than a pair of 2 chamber flow’s and a BBK cold air intake.
A modestly built 302 and some 373 gears will run 12’s easy. Baytown Raceway still hosts the mildly built 5.0 from time to time, next time i see one running I’ll record a video and post it.
Yeah, I wound up with a set of pulleys on mine, along with a CAI and Flowmasters (yes, cat delete!) and the thing got
markedly quicker as a result.
 
Mustang GT didn't become a 13 second or faster car until the 2005 model year, with exception to the specialty cars like the SVT's, Saleens, etc...
 
Hadda 85 GT. 302 stock bottom end with ported E7 heads WG1087 roller cam, victor Jr. 750 DP holley, 373 gear And long tube headers. Went low 7s (8th) and mid 6s on 200 shot. Up until round 2003(SVT Cobra) they were the cars to beat. They are the 55-57 Chevys of yesterday.
 
Just came from an auction. There was a shinny 2005 Shelby Convertible, auto, yellow with black stripes, curvy TQ looking wheels, and side pipes. They fired it up from cold and it sounded good, then the auctioneer revved the thing hard, after it had only been running for 10 seconds. It's 28 degrees today, the thing belched a bunch of dark gray smoke. I winced.
Anyway, it sold for $6200.
 
Just came from an auction. There was a shinny 2005 Shelby Convertible, auto, yellow with black stripes, curvy TQ looking wheels, and side pipes. They fired it up from cold and it sounded good, then the auctioneer revved the thing hard, after it had only been running for 10 seconds. It's 28 degrees today, the thing belched a bunch of dark gray smoke. I winced.
Anyway, it sold for $6200.
Can't stand when people rev a cold engine. Neighbor back in the mid 70's had a Caddy that was hard to start when the temps got down into into the 30's and the wife would rev the snot out of it once it started. It's like 'take that you pos' lol
 
Mustang GT didn't become a 13 second or faster car until the 2005 model year, with exception to the specialty cars like the SVT's, Saleens, etc...
the 99 Cobra was pretty quick, "in stock trim"
as in from the factory

far cry from the GT in 86
 
My '91 LX Coupe ran consistent 14.4's at Bradenton Speedway back in the day. All stock form. Me driving 5spd. And those were awesome car's. Couple bolt on's you were all over 13's it was just traction. That was the problem. Just sold an unmolested '89Coupe last year.
 
Chrysler had nothing a real car guy wanted during those dark years... Yeah I know some point to the Shelby FWD stuff but FWD simply sucks so the choice was Chevy/Pontiac/Buick or Ford & of those choices Ford was the only option IMO...
 
I had a stock 86 GT, 5spd and t-tops. I ran it once, low 15's and I was not good out of the hole. No gear in an 86, I finished the 1/4 in 3rd.
 
Considering a stock Hemi car ran in the 13s...........
Not bad for something from the era when 200 HP was considered 'hi-po'.
If it 'felt' fast that's all that mattered.
 
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