Covid Vaccine. Please Do Not make this political.

I’m very sorry to read that, 68Moparmaniac.
I hope you find peace.

Cranky said:

Whom do we go to war against?

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I'll give you 3 guess's, and the first 2 don't count!

Better shut up & comply or else, the world will end BS
some here really are stupid

I think me & my father (he's very high risk too, heart lung issues) had it,
before it was known as Covid-19, both blood tests came back 1 neg. & 1 poss.
even the blood test isn't 100% accurate, so spare me the science BS
& I have several Dr.'s in my immediate family too, siblings & an Aunt...

it's a virus with a 99% recovery rate
yet we lost about as many as we do from 'the flu'
IMO, 1 is too many lost from this China Wuhan Flu BS
we've lost some 300,000 US people/citizens (millions around the world)
that's where your anger should be directed at CHINA
not at people, that have the right to chose, to take or not

(until we are a socialist fascist progressive regime, we do still have that choice)

If you're healthy let the people that actually are in
any/all the high risk groups,
with a preexisting condition that are most vulnerable
if the science is actually that good,
1st responders, hospital workers
(Ligure stores owners/attendants aren't a 1st need)
or have those on the front lines, like
LEO's Fireman CBP, all get the shots 1st
we will know, for a fact, if it's actually working & viable
relatively soon after that

Personally, I think it was stupid to parade out a bunch
of politicians/puppets to get shots (fucken sheeple, just compliance BS)
even a few of them refused to get the shots

we will see soon enough if it's actually viable
some of the vaccines you need two shots too
some have a rate of protection less (90%-94%)
than the recovery/infection rate
(98%-99% recovery & less than 2% infected, less than 0.5% deaths)
some have a 95% rate on not getting reinfected
but you can still be a carrier, pass it on to others
a small chance but it's not better than the odds of
dying from it too, less than 1%

if you're worried about contracting China Wuhan Flu/Covid-19
take the shot, when it's your turn
shut the **** up about people that don't want to
or that have reservations about the viability
your opinions mean no more than anyone else's
(so far anyway, until some BS probably unconstitutional Mandate)

if you lost someone, you have my deepest condolences
but;
you should be mad at China, not other Americans
for just standing up for their own personal choices/rights
constitutional & civil/moral rights

don't be a hypocrite/prick

68Moparmaniac said:

I lost my soulmate Christmas Eve. Yet another COVID-19 victim. This is by far the hardest thing I’ve ever had to do. RIP my love...View attachment 1046747

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I am very very sorry , prayers for you and your family.

Given a choice, I probably won't get it. I don't get flu shots. I don't get sick. I'm not "high risk" (48 and athletic, no regular medications, no chronic issues other than sore muscles).

A virus with a 99.97% recovery rate? Doesn't scare me. That's the CDC's number, by the way. 99.969%, to be precise(er). And that's not a % of the population at large - that's a % of people who GET it.

And not everyone gets it.

Also keep in mind - a positive test result? Is NOT a "case". Look it up in a medical text. A "case" has to consist of both a) a positive test, and b) clinical symptoms that align with the virus' known symptoms. But, "case count" sounds scarier for the media, so they go with it. And, look at Elon Musk - 4 tests, same brand, same clinic, same day. 2 positive, 2 negative. Accurate?

The number being batted around is "300,000 dead Americans from COVID". The piece of the puzzle they don't give you is, nearly 3 million Americans die EVERY YEAR. All CDC numbers.

I want this over. If the vaccine lets us open back up for business (I own a professional sound company - concerts, weddings, fairs, etc - and haven't done a gig since February. ZERO INCOME.), then yes, I support it for those who want to take it.

Personally? Like I said - I'm not worried. I've got a better chance of winning the lottery, than I do of catching, and then failing to recover from, this virus. Most people do. Think about it - even if you DO catch it, the CDC themselves say you have a 99.969% chance of a full recovery. Why is that scaring people??

I just want our businesses, our economy, and our LIVES, opened back up. I want people to get over this irrational fear of something that's simply not that deadly. I want us to get our CHOICES back. And if having widespread vaccine use opens that door so we can 'live' again? Go for it.

But I'm tired of being forced to do things. Masks. Lockdowns. Business shutdowns. No restaurants. No gigs. No schools. All for a 0.03% chance at mortality.

So no. No vaccine for me, if its my choice. Not that I'm "afraid" of the shot, or "afraid of the tracking chips the gummint is putting in the shot", or any of that conspiracy crap...but in my life, if it ain't broke, I don't try to fix it. And if I did get sick from the virus? It has a 99.969% recovery rate without the vaccine, which I presume will get even higher (not a lot of room there though) now that treatment is available.

Doesn't worry me one bit.

If I "need" to get the shot for work, I'm not against it. I don't like the "you gotta..." aspect of any of this, but if it opens up our lives again and they get their hands the hell off our businesses and our economy and let us get back to work? Again - I'm low-risk, so I'll grumble along and do it.

Triplegreen500 said:

A virus with a 99.97% recovery rate? Doesn't scare me. That's the CDC's number, by the way. 99.969%, to be precise(er). And that's not a % of the population at large - that's a % of people who GET it.

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That's not accurate. See the CDC site: https://covid.cdc.gov/covid-data-tracker/#cases_casesper100klast7days
To break it down: CDC currently lists 19,055,869 total cases and 332,246 total deaths (I'm sure the number is updating regularly, so when you click the link, they may have increased).
That means Covid has a 1.74" death rate based on the CDC, so turn that around and it is a 98.26% recovery rate.

So, "only" a 98.26% recovery rate is supposed to scare me? That potentially "adds" 1.5 people per 100 who will have bad reactions. Compared to a world full of other dangerous stuff? Meh. Its a perspective thing. What else is out there that can kill you, on a daily basis?

A true "plague" wouldn't have a 98.26% recovery rate, it would have a 98.26% mortality rate. This, isn't that.

You know that it’s not always all about you though, right?

Yes, I do. But it goes both ways.

And this is going to border on the political, so I apologize - but if someone wants to wear a mask, or stay home, or keep their kids home, or get a vaccine...they're welcome to do so.

But don't force me to stay home, because you're scared.

My business has been shut down. Completely. I didn't choose that. And I'm not alone.

I have a friend whose wife is a teacher, and she supports the lockdowns because she has asthma - she's "at risk", and doesn't think it's right for her to "have to go to work" when she's at-risk.

I asked her - "so, why is it OK for you to FORCE me out of work, but it's not OK for you to CHOOSE not to work?" She said "because I'll lose my job, someone else will take it who isn't at-risk". My reply? "Well, I was FORCED to close my business and lose my job, and I'm NOT at-risk. How is that fair? You'd have a choice; I wasn't given a choice."

I'm not forcing anyone to go around mask-less. I'm not forcing anyone to forego the vaccine. I'm not forcing anyone to do anything they don't want to do, or they think isn't safe for them.

Show me the same courtesy.

Even if you don't die of it, you don't want to catch it. The mortality rate is low but many people are surviving with long term effects. A few of my mates have had it, early forties, fit and healthy, and they are still struggling weeks later with no energy etc.

Not a chance, anyone that wants the one with my name on it, step on up, you can have it. I haven't had a shot for anything in over 45 years. I'm seldom sick. Haven't had a cold in well over 5 years. I eat what I raise, hunt and never eat out. It seems to serve me well.

This world is full of choices and I'm fine with the ramifications of my own decisions but I'm not fine with those attempting to force their "political ideology" over on me. Meaning the masks, the vaccines and the other various permissions to exist. All unPatriotic, unAmerican and unGodly.


Remember the plague that wiped out the Amish because they didn't vaccinate their children? Yeah, me neither........just research folks. Those that create the disease will also sell you the cure.

Triplegreen500 said:

What else is out there that can kill you, on a daily basis?

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Chocking on a glass of water!

[A few of my mates have had it, early forties, fit and healthy, and they are still struggling weeks later with no energy etc]

I'll take a few weeks of low energy, reduced taste and lack of smell, over losing a lifelong business forever. Any day.

I have several friends who have had it. One hasn't recovered her sense of smell yet. All the others, fully recovered with no lasting issues whatsoever.

Point is, only I get to make my choices. And, only you get to make your choices. At least, that's how its supposed to be. And, the point of this thread - people's choice about the vaccine.

69a100 said:

Chocking on a glass of water!

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My point exactly. Walking down icy steps. Driving our classic cars. Riding a motorcycle. Playing tennis. ANY of it can kill you. For something I stand a 98.26% of beating just fine, if I even catch it in the first place? I'm not cowering in my basement living off GrubHub, and rushing to get the vaccine as soon as I'm allowed. Sorry. The data doesn't support that.

You make your choices, and I won't stop you nor will I tease, berate, or bully you.

Let me make mine.

Triplegreen500 said:

For something I stand a 98.26% of beating just fine, if I even catch it in the first place? I'm not cowering in my basement living off GrubHub, and rushing to get the vaccine as soon as I'm allowed. Sorry. The data doesn't support that.
You make your choices, and I won't stop you nor will I tease, berate, or bully you.
Let me make mine.

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What good's is the vaccine going to do you after you've already had the bug? Seems oxymoronic to me. I already have a 17% less chance than others due to me being in the "O" family blood type. I'm just going to sit here on the group W bench and wait!!

Triplegreen500 said:

Yes, I do. But it goes both ways.

And this is going to border on the political, so I apologize - but if someone wants to wear a mask, or stay home, or keep their kids home, or get a vaccine...they're welcome to do so.

But don't force me to stay home, because you're scared.

My business has been shut down. Completely. I didn't choose that. And I'm not alone.

I have a friend whose wife is a teacher, and she supports the lockdowns because she has asthma - she's "at risk", and doesn't think it's right for her to "have to go to work" when she's at-risk.

I asked her - "so, why is it OK for you to FORCE me out of work, but it's not OK for you to CHOOSE not to work?" She said "because I'll lose my job, someone else will take it who isn't at-risk". My reply? "Well, I was FORCED to close my business and lose my job, and I'm NOT at-risk. How is that fair? You'd have a choice; I wasn't given a choice."

I'm not forcing anyone to go around mask-less. I'm not forcing anyone to forego the vaccine. I'm not forcing anyone to do anything they don't want to do, or they think isn't safe for them.

Show me the same courtesy.

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This post and the others you made I completely agree 100%. It's like you were reading my mind.

68Moparmaniac I am very sorry to hear of your loss. I just received my first of two shots and will get the other one on Jan 20th.

moparmaniac, I am very sorry to hear of your loss. This is something I have feared.

For the rest of you, the more we spread this thing the more it is likely to mutate.

For the rest of you, just man up and deal with it. There is no need to broadcast that you are against the vaccine or to write 500 word essays saying why it is a violation of your rights. Just don't take it, but also accept responsibility for any mutations that may occur in you - which is probably unlikely. But those who are soon to be out of power, it is their actions that created the situation for the virus to mutate and for the vaccine to fail.

We are in this mess now and there is no place for making excuses or placing blame. Just action.