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A future Re-body coming up - 68 Coronet R/T

OK you buy a project car but no paperwork so you get this stuff and you think you have a nice car then for some reason you get a vin inspection and the guy doesn't like what he see's and looks for some of the other vin locations , yes there are more, he looks up the other vin and finds it was reported stolen back in 1976 in California so they get a hold of him and say come get your car we found it now this happy guy gets to drive home that car you just sank 80k in and unknown amounts of hours and your facing federal charges and with federal charges if they decide to give you 2 years you do two years to the day you don't get out early for good behavior /now if you jump through the hoops to get your paperwork legally thats a different story your not looking like your trying to hide something just something to think about
 
insurance companies pay to "rebody" cars and trucks if the numbers and values work out..... as long as the parts are not from a stolen car/truck

not looking to argue, and opinions vary, but replacing all the *** end metal, floor pans, door skins, repop fenders and hood, rusty frame rails, firewall and cowl are very common in this hobby....... every member build on this site has some or all of this taking place...... depends on your point of view I suppose

every time you replace a rusty or smashed body part, you are doing a partial "rebody" ....... some just need a whole lot more than others
 
I own 2 Rebel Machines........one rusty in the rear, one smashed in the front......I cut them both in half, and put the 2 good halves together..... "replacing a rear clip" was always common practice in the collision world, not much has changed
 
eldubb440 said:
insurance companies pay to "rebody" cars and trucks if the numbers and values work out..... as long as the parts are not from a stolen car/truck

not looking to argue, and opinions vary, but replacing all the *** end metal, floor pans, door skins, repop fenders and hood, rusty frame rails, firewall and cowl are very common in this hobby....... every member build on this site has some or all of this taking place...... depends on your point of view I suppose

every time you replace a rusty or smashed body part, you are doing a partial "rebody" ....... some just need a whole lot more than others
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I strongly disagree strongly. Im a member here and I have a build going on right now and NONE of that is ‘going on’. At the end of it all I’m going to have a 451, 18 spline, Dana 60 equipped 1969 Belvedere Post car which is originally a 225 6cylinder 3 on the tree car... which if you want to run numbers is more rare than most of the mopar muscle cars out there, something like 1600 built.
 
we can disagree on the definition of "rebody"..... but this one isn't unlike many on this site, it's just body repair.... I'd say maybe 15% of the original metal remains;

the body repair/used parts industries have existed hand in hand since the first automobiles rolled off the assembly line.......fact

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4mulas said:
I strongly disagree strongly. Im a member here and I have a build going on right now and NONE of that is ‘going on’. At the end of it all I’m going to have a 451, 18 spline, Dana 60 equipped 1969 Belvedere Post car which is originally a 225 6cylinder 3 on the tree car... which if you want to run numbers is more rare than most of the mopar muscle cars out there, something like 1600 built.
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not sure which part you disagree with...... I have seen insurance companies pay to replace cabs, beds, and frames on newer trucks that weren't "mathematically" totaled
 
there is no term rebody there is repair and salvage and it all gets documented to cover their ***, when you get done its still just a belvedere with some R/T tags and parts otherwise its fraud now I would still pay good money for either one i'm no purest that body was made right in front of the R/T, same parts if your honest about what your selling that title is worthless because that car is long gone just go down to your department of motor vehicles and ask them
 
Here is a story. A shop I worked at contracted with a guy who had a 67 Lemans but wanted a GTO. Lots of differences in sheet metal between the two. Quarters tail panel ect. All got swapped with AMD including a new roof skin, lots of work. By the time all was said and done he wanted me to put the VIN tag on the A-pillar. I gave him the special rivets and the tag and rivet gun and said have at it. Nice car but he had over 80 grand in it. If push came to shove and he sold it there are numbers on the frame that could be disputed, Buyer beware. Thing a nice 67 GTO can be had for alot less than 80K.
 
wagonman said:
Here is a story. A shop I worked at contracted with a guy who had a 67 Lemans but wanted a GTO. Lots of differences in sheet metal between the two. Quarters tail panel ect. All got swapped with AMD including a new roof skin, lots of work. By the time all was said and done he wanted me to put the VIN tag on the A-pillar. I gave him the special rivets and the tag and rivet gun and said have at it. Nice car but he had over 80 grand in it. If push came to shove and he sold it there are numbers on the frame that could be disputed, Buyer beware. Thing a nice 67 GTO can be had for alot less than 80K.
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exactly... buyer beware....... these are all used cars....... if its not an obvious survivor, Lord knows what has been done to it
 
My 2 cents. Replacing sheet metal is one thing. But switching body numbers and creating a bogus car is another. Not acceptable.
 
I contacted the guy to see what happened to the shell. He used it to restore his 6cyl/3 on the tree 69 Coronet. Rare car but damn, cut up a 68 440/4spd/Dana Coronet R/T for that
 
I should buy his car so I can throw away the 6 and put a Hemi in it
 
Where is the line? What is the determining factor? How much original sheet metal, drivetrain, interior, small parts must remain to be an original restoration? How much of the original car can be replaced before it is a fake? Lets draw a line so we all know where it is.

Scenario #1
Do a numbers swap from a too far gone rotted out high dollar collector car to a very clean original body shell, then call it non numbers matching restoration if the drivetrain doesnt match the tags. But what if the drive train was still there in the rotted hulk and does match the tags, and it is in the finished car?

Scenario #2
Take a similar condition high dollar collector car that is restorable, replace 80% of the sheet metal and 100% of the wearable items, glass, rubber, and plastic parts. But the tags remain on the 20% of the original metal not replaced.

Many winged cars or other high dollar cars were treated to one of these two scenarios.

Find the physical difference in these two restoration scenarios. In my opinion they are the same if both were done top tier. Neither is an original restored car.
 
I don't think this argument would be taking place if the car in question was a 1997 Toyota Camry station wagon with a 4-cyl engine.

Just saying....the level of excitement seems to dramatically increase in proportion to the value of the finished car. :rolleyes:
 
Paul_G said:
Where is the line? What is the determining factor? How much original sheet metal, drivetrain, interior, small parts must remain to be an original restoration? How much of the original car can be replaced before it is a fake? Lets draw a line so we all know where it is.

Scenario #1
Do a numbers swap from a too far gone rotted out high dollar collector car to a very clean original body shell, then call it non numbers matching restoration if the drivetrain doesnt match the tags. But what if the drive train was still there in the rotted hulk and does match the tags, and it is in the finished car?

Scenario #2
Take a similar condition high dollar collector car that is restorable, replace 80% of the sheet metal and 100% of the wearable items, glass, rubber, and plastic parts. But the tags remain on the 20% of the original metal not replaced.

Many winged cars or other high dollar cars were treated to one of these two scenarios.

Find the physical difference in these two restoration scenarios. In my opinion they are the same if both were done top tier. Neither is an original restored car.
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"Original" and "Restoration" don't belong in the same sentence. It is not the same thing. Once it is restored it is just a car.
 
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