Does this stamped no on front of radiator core support match anything?
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gtx6970
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Thanks,
I can tell just enough on the one facing forward doesnt match anything on my tag. and the one facing rearward is hidden by the radiator so I cant make out anything on it in any way
gtx6970
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Ok, curiosity got the best of me.
I loosened and pulled the radiator back to see the number stamped on the back side of my radiator support
It matches the SO number on my fender tag
I loosened and pulled the radiator back to see the number stamped on the back side of my radiator support
It matches the SO number on my fender tag
Bill, I don’t have any doubts about the VIN tag. It’s hard to be 100% certain but the VIN rivets are right, it was masked around on re-painting, the chassis reinforcements I’ve looked for are there, correct K-frame, Dana, radiator, windshield wiper motor, starter, etc. Just don’t believe the fender tag goes with this car.
I never found a build sheet for my 67 GTX so I have low expectations to finding one in this car, but never know. If it were to warm up enough to back it out of the garage I would pull the seat to look. Unfortunately we have a cold and snowy forecast.
I did hear from the Chrysler Historical group and she said the best estimate of when they will resume operations is in June.
I never found a build sheet for my 67 GTX so I have low expectations to finding one in this car, but never know. If it were to warm up enough to back it out of the garage I would pull the seat to look. Unfortunately we have a cold and snowy forecast.
I did hear from the Chrysler Historical group and she said the best estimate of when they will resume operations is in June.
So the number on the front is different from the one on the back of the support and the one on the back matches your tag? I guess I better check back there on mine.
If you have a yellow antifreeze sticker on driver's numbers are probably under it. Pic #1 radiator support pic #2 lower left corner shop order number. Got hasty see you found your numbers , different plant different place?
gtx6970
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Correct.
The one on the front I cant make out ( to much paint on it ) But I think is just a vendor number for the part
Mine has nothing on the top - either side .
Loosened my radiator and the SO number is stamped on the back side facing the radiator, and is impossible to read with the radiator in the car.
Keep in mind.
My car is a Lynch Road plant car and I have a feeling it will make a difference
Frans car above is a St Louis plant car . ( all b body verts were )
Edit,
Once obtained will the IBM punch car decode options or just build plant and original dealers sales info?
The one on the front I cant make out ( to much paint on it ) But I think is just a vendor number for the part
Mine has nothing on the top - either side .
Loosened my radiator and the SO number is stamped on the back side facing the radiator, and is impossible to read with the radiator in the car.
Keep in mind.
My car is a Lynch Road plant car and I have a feeling it will make a difference
Frans car above is a St Louis plant car . ( all b body verts were )
Edit,
Once obtained will the IBM punch car decode options or just build plant and original dealers sales info?
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I suspect there is some stamping differences between the various plants. Mine is a Lynchburg
This add an interesting twist to things. My car is a Lynch Road plant car also and has the same scheduled build date of 405. And my VIN is is about 150 cars ahead of yours (247910 vs 248059). I don't know how VINs were assigned to specific plants - I assume the VIN was assigned when the production order was entered into a master system, without regard as to which plant would be ultimately be responsible for it's assembly. But I may be dead wrong. If I'm not wrong, our cars were probably on the assembly line within a day or two of each other and that would seem to build a case for my fender tag to possibly be correct. I know the date on the fender tag is just a projection of a build date and not an accurate date but quite a coincidence our cars have the same date and the VINs are so close. They mystery continues. Guess I will be looking behind my radiator tomorrow.
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This add an interesting twist to things. My car is a Lynch Road plant car also and has the same scheduled build date of 405. And my VIN is is about 150 cars ahead of yours (247910 vs 248059). I don't know how VINs were assigned to specific plants - I assume the VIN was assigned when the production order was entered into a master system, without regard as to which plant would be ultimately be responsible for it's assembly. But I may be dead wrong. If I'm not wrong, our cars were probably on the assembly line within a day or two of each other and that would seem to build a case for my fender tag to possibly be correct. I know the date on the fender tag is just a projection of a build date and not an accurate date but quite a coincidence our cars have the same date and the VINs are so close. They mystery continues. Guess I will be looking behind my radiator tomorrow.
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I looked behind the radiator and couldn’t find any more stamping. Also looked all over for evidence of reflection from stamping on the other side - but none. Fortunately the paint is not thick on the parts. Didn’t peel up the stickers but saw no sign on the underside of a stamping reflecting through. I’ve pretty much decided that phot in my first post is of a stamped steel part number. I’m assuming each panel welded into the radiator support has its own SS number. I found another different SS number on the pass side down on the lower side panel. So other than the paint change question I guess the correctness of the trim tag is still in question. But based on Bill’s numbers above it’s looking more positive. Maybe it’s a victim of bad color coding as someone mentioned above.
69Coronetrt
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It does. Different plants did things differently.
gtx6970
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Did you actually loosen the radiator and swing it back?
On mine the SO number is JUST BARELY visible until you do
To detect it from the front side would be near impossible if your didnt know exactly where it was on the backside
But ,,,Yes each and every piece of sheet metal has its own SS number stamped on it.
And IMO the odds of it simply being a error when the tag was made is EXTREMELY unlikely and near impossible to prove or disprove
On mine the SO number is JUST BARELY visible until you do
To detect it from the front side would be near impossible if your didnt know exactly where it was on the backside
But ,,,Yes each and every piece of sheet metal has its own SS number stamped on it.
And IMO the odds of it simply being a error when the tag was made is EXTREMELY unlikely and near impossible to prove or disprove
69Coronetrt
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The initial order was sent to a plant then the VINs were assigned meaning each plant has a 100001 car. (It is possible for two cars to have the same VIN with the exception of a different plant code.) VIN assignment has nothing to do with production. Cars with the same SPD and consecutive VINs could have been built days or weeks apart.
Getting a copy of the IBM card would help with details. The 66 card does show a shipped date.
69Coronetrt
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The card shows the three digit and letter code options like you would find on a window sticker and broadcast sheets. It does not show assembly codes like a broadcast sheet.
If you get your card and need help decoding, please let me know.
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I have seen cars with no body numbers in either location, and I do know where to look. No body code is a real problem if you are trying to match the VIN and fender tag to that particular body. All the paper work in the world will only tie the VIN and SO number together, but not to that body, if it has no code. Having said that, I would look again, as the numbers can be very faint, as noted.
gtx6970
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Once Chrysler Historical is back up and operational. I do plan to send off and get the punch card for my car. A very good friend of mine has a copy of dealers and codes from back then I MIGHT be able to associate the car with the selling dealer.
Ive been told by a previous owner he 'THINKS '" the car came out of southern Ky many many years ago. But somewhere in the late 70s or early 80s it was relocated to Texas. Which is where the previous owner before me bought it from.,,,back in 1997 or so.
I was told by the former Texas owner , the story goes the Hemi was stolen very early in its life and it racked up most of its miles via an oil leaking 383
Ive been told by a previous owner he 'THINKS '" the car came out of southern Ky many many years ago. But somewhere in the late 70s or early 80s it was relocated to Texas. Which is where the previous owner before me bought it from.,,,back in 1997 or so.
I was told by the former Texas owner , the story goes the Hemi was stolen very early in its life and it racked up most of its miles via an oil leaking 383
Yes, I removed the upper two bolts and loosened the lower two bolts to swing it back so I could look with a bright light. Was the number on the front of you support a SS prefix? I’m now assuming any such number is unrelated to the tag SO number _ which is what R413 said way back at the beginning.
Even though it’s too cold to get the car out to where I can open the doors wide to remove the rear seat, I may pull the rear arm rests and window cranks so I can pull the seat bottom loose and rotate it up to see if there is a build sheet there.
Even though it’s too cold to get the car out to where I can open the doors wide to remove the rear seat, I may pull the rear arm rests and window cranks so I can pull the seat bottom loose and rotate it up to see if there is a build sheet there.
69Coronetrt
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The only caveat to that may be that the original dealer may not have been the one that actually sold the car. It could have changed hands before selling. But, it would be nice to know to where it was shipped.
Agreed. In my case, the IBM card shows an unknown dealer code. FastbackJon has a lot of the codes, but not mine. Based on the code, he believes it may have been a corporate car for awhile before the eventual selling dealership (which i know was in Viroqua, WI) sold it to the "original" owner. Also, my window sticker is blank where the selling dealer's name usually is.
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gtx6970
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Yes, just to the right of center looking from the front of the car.
BUT, weird part is it appears to be stamped backwards. numbers to be printed right to left as if your looking at a mirror reflection of them. A combination of real light stamp and too much paint so I cant say with 100% honesty what said numbers are , other than the SS is on the right side
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