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FDA approves the Johnson & Johnson single dose vaccine.

vintage chromoly said:
Nope, just willfully ignorant.
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The Centers for Disease Control and Prevention (CDC) is a national public health institute in the United States. It is a United States federal agency, under the Department of Health and Human Services,[2] and is headquartered in Atlanta, Georgia.[3]

NUFF SAID!!!

Oh yeah, here is the future head of that SWAMP organization!!!

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Everyone knows all scientists are not to be trusted, as they get paid to be scientists.

same reason I only take medical and legal advice from my buddies.

you can’t trust anyone who gets paid for what they do.

All “swamp people” :blah::rofl:
 
CDC Dr. Fauci was wrong "many times"
he even admitted to it, well "sort of" didn't want to
a lot of what ifs & could be's
& changed his mind &/or reversed his opinions
several times
1st he claimed no need for a mask
msm played along the whole damn time too
2nd then it isn't transmittable to human to humans
3rd it was from a bat
4th or armadillo type creature
5th then it was from the wet market in China
6th possibly an experiment accident/synthetic-man made
from the Wuhan Instatute
7th then he changed his whole approach, started backtracking
8th then it wasn't any of the above, just stay inside & social distance
9th now we have to wear 2 masks or 3 even, what a douche
10th people still got sick even with everyone locked down & wearing masks
changed over & over again, so did the WHO/UN China narrative
& so did CCP Compromiised Joe too
11th follow the science,
what science ? it's changing all the damn time
what science is the one everyone needs to believe ? "NOW"
12th the MSM is still spreading bull, misinformation
with lil' to no facts to back any of the so-called "science" up

that's the shortlist of wrongs/lies/exaggerations we've all been fed
CDC Dr.Fauci was in/part of all of it

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we all know the truth about that

it's not a conspiracy theory, it's fact, CDC/WHO/China
& Fauci's own words/statements
what's the science "talking points" for today ?

why wouldn't people question all of it ?

maybe, just maybe if they (China the CDC & WHO) actually had not
Lied about the supposed science/facts
to begin with or all along, without facts & truth, figures to back it up
it would NOT be debated so damn much

Maybe people wouldn't question every damn thing
that comes out of the govt. (especially the CDC/WH) today

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For sure!
They should have all had all the data and answers on day one.

everyone knows that’s how things work.


Budnicks said:
CDC Dr. Fauci was wrong he even admitted to it "sort of"
& changed his mind or reversed his opinions several times
over & over again, so did the WHO/UN China & Joe too

we all know the truth about that
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I'm still in line over here waiting for the vaccines for:
- avian flu (1.1 million dead worldwide and 116,000 in the US; no effective vaccine exists)
- swine flu (60.8 million USA cases, 275k hospitalizations, and 12,469 deaths - no specific
effective vaccine ever found)
Hell, toss in:
- SARS (775 dead, no effective treatment ever found)

What's common to all of these?
1. No significant mandatory self-quarantining at the time of their rise in the US
2. No mask mandates
3. "Herd immunity" apparently ran them off (since no effective vaccines exist)
4. None are considered significant threats to society now

The differences this time?
Come on, you all are all bright individuals and you've lived/are living during this historic
time, with all the major differences in approach this nation has taken.
You've also seen the havoc wreaked upon our economy, jobs, quality of life, education
system, crime rates, etc.

You've also witnessed historically fast development and delivery to points of service of
a supposed vaccine for this current "mother of all pandemics" - and while I applaud the
Herculean, monumentally unprecendented efforts there...
it also is why I do not personally trust the vaccine and will not be getting it.

Sadly, I don't trust the usual channels of public information to actually give me accurate
data on the pandemic itself nor the supposed "cure", for they have all too many times
proven themselves to have a crippling inability to remain objective.
Me done.
 
moparedtn said:
I'm still in line over here waiting for the vaccines for:
- avian flu (1.1 million dead worldwide and 116,000 in the US; no effective vaccine exists)
- swine flu (60.8 million USA cases, 275k hospitalizations, and 12,469 deaths - no specific
effective vaccine ever found)
Hell, toss in:
- SARS (775 dead, no effective treatment ever found)

What's common to all of these?
1. No significant mandatory self-quarantining at the time of their rise in the US
2. No mask mandates
3. "Herd immunity" apparently ran them off (since no effective vaccines exist)
4. None are considered significant threats to society now

The differences this time?
Come on, you all are all bright individuals and you've lived/are living during this historic
time, with all the major differences in approach this nation has taken.
You've also seen the havoc wreaked upon our economy, jobs, quality of life, education
system, crime rates, etc.

You've also witnessed historically fast development and delivery to points of service of
a supposed vaccine for this current "mother of all pandemics" - and while I applaud the
Herculean, monumentally unprecendented efforts there...
it also is why I do not personally trust the vaccine and will not be getting it.

Sadly, I don't trust the usual channels of public information to actually give me accurate
data on the pandemic itself nor the supposed "cure", for they have all too many times
proven themselves to have a crippling inability to remain objective.
Me done.
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moparedtn said:
I'm still in line over here waiting for the vaccines for:
- avian flu (1.1 million dead worldwide and 116,000 in the US; no effective vaccine exists)
- swine flu (60.8 million USA cases, 275k hospitalizations, and 12,469 deaths - no specific
effective vaccine ever found)
Hell, toss in:
- SARS (775 dead, no effective treatment ever found)

What's common to all of these?
1. No significant mandatory self-quarantining at the time of their rise in the US
2. No mask mandates
3. "Herd immunity" apparently ran them off (since no effective vaccines exist)
4. None are considered significant threats to society now

The differences this time?
Come on, you all are all bright individuals and you've lived/are living during this historic
time, with all the major differences in approach this nation has taken.
You've also seen the havoc wreaked upon our economy, jobs, quality of life, education
system, crime rates, etc.

You've also witnessed historically fast development and delivery to points of service of
a supposed vaccine for this current "mother of all pandemics" - and while I applaud the
Herculean, monumentally unprecendented efforts there...
it also is why I do not personally trust the vaccine and will not be getting it.

Sadly, I don't trust the usual channels of public information to actually give me accurate
data on the pandemic itself nor the supposed "cure", for they have all too many times
proven themselves to have a crippling inability to remain objective.
Me done.
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SARS was/is actually much more deadly than Covid. Luckily, it was also less contagious, so quarantining individuals worked to shut it down.
There was a lot of work done for a vaccine against SARS. When Covid hit, the SARS vaccine was modified to work against Covid. So just FYI, the Covid vaccine was not developed "from scratch".
 
hsorman said:
SARS was/is actually much more deadly than Covid. Luckily, it was also less contagious, so quarantining individuals worked to shut it down.
There was a lot of work done for a vaccine against SARS. When Covid hit, the SARS vaccine was modified to work against Covid. So just FYI, the Covid vaccine was not developed "from scratch".
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Just for your information, sir (paraphrasing the CDC here):
There is no vaccine for SARS; there was something developed eventually for SARS and it was placed in the US national stockpile.
That vaccine, however, is a prototype and not field-ready as of March 2020.
Clinical isolation and quarantine remain the most effective means to prevent the spread of SARS.

Me still done.
 
moparedtn said:
Just for your information, sir (paraphrasing the CDC here):
There is no vaccine for SARS; there was something developed eventually for SARS and it was placed in the US national stockpile.
That vaccine, however, is a prototype and not field-ready as of March 2020.
Clinical isolation and quarantine remain the most effective means to prevent the spread of SARS.

Me still done.
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Ed, I think we are violently agreeing here! :lol:

Yes, there is no approved vaccine for SARS, but there was extensive work done on a (your words) prototype vaccine. That's why it was in the US national stockpile, since there was good belief it could be successfully used if the USA got hit with a lot of SARS cases. :thumbsup:
 
hsorman said:
Ed, I think we are violently agreeing here! :lol:

Yes, there is no approved vaccine for SARS, but there was extensive work done on a (your words) prototype vaccine. That's why it was in the US national stockpile, since there was good belief it could be successfully used if the USA got hit with a lot of SARS cases. :thumbsup:
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No sir, we are not...
(I don't know how to make this point any clearer, nor will I accept any twisting of this particular
fact to suit anyones' agenda)...
Again, those are not my words, my friend (because obviously I'm not involved in any stage of that world)....
again, I paraphrased CDC's own reports.
Fact remains that there is no vaccine for SARS to date - and they've apparently decided what was "stockpiled"
isn't to be taken further in their studies/path towards becoming a SARS vaccine.
Make of that what you will.

Fact remains, I don't trust any of the numbers of this current pandemic; I don't trust any of the timing of
the release of the virus (and by whom); I don't trust the manner in which it was handled from the feds on down
in this country; and I certainly don't trust any miracle vaccine that set new records for being developed, tested,
whatever in order to show up just in time to save the day.
The history of pandemics, the history of the development of such vaccines and the history of how such
diseases were handled (and subsequently eventually fell off the public scope) ALL tell me not to....

...and at this point, no amount of "persuasion" by anyone will change my mind on that, right or wrong.
So, and for the final time...
Me done.
 
moparedtn said:
No sir, we are not...
(I don't know how to make this point any clearer, nor will I accept any twisting of this particular
fact to suit anyones' agenda)...
Again, those are not my words, my friend (because obviously I'm not involved in any stage of that world)....
again, I paraphrased CDC's own reports.
Fact remains that there is no vaccine for SARS to date - and they've apparently decided what was "stockpiled"
isn't to be taken further in their studies/path towards becoming a SARS vaccine.
Make of that what you will.

Fact remains, I don't trust any of the numbers of this current pandemic; I don't trust any of the timing of
the release of the virus (and by whom); I don't trust the manner in which it was handled from the feds on down
in this country; and I certainly don't trust any miracle vaccine that set new records for being developed, tested,
whatever in order to show up just in time to save the day.
The history of pandemics, the history of the development of such vaccines and the history of how such
diseases were handled (and subsequently eventually fell off the public scope) ALL tell me not to....

...and at this point, no amount of "persuasion" by anyone will change my mind on that, right or wrong.
So, and for the final time...
Me done.
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So as of yet it is still a matter of choice so what are were arguing about? So sure has not been about Johnsons & Johnsons approval.
 
Any discourse on an emotionally, societally and politically charged subject is always going to "Go off of the rails". Freedom breeds the difference of opinion, and that's a good thing. Anytime someone tells you it's their way or nothing you should discard that opinion out of hand. Common sense tells us/ me that this virus and all it's permutations, are being used as a political weapon in order to make hay on both sides of the aisle, and outside of the building. Does that mean that the virus doesn't exist? Of course not. It surely does and it is clearly deadly to a segment of the human population across the globe. This point, right here, is where all lines diverge onto various paths according to the agendas we see and many that we don't see.
If we made a 'flow chart' of this virus's impact it would resemble a jellyfish. At the end of each tentacle would lie an agenda.
Some of the names that would be there are :
Dr. Fauci, the MSM, the Democrat Party, the Republican Party, LBGT*****, Federal Big Government and all of it's own tentacles, Wall Street, China, Our other Nation adversaries, The Far Left, The Far Right, Big Medicine, Unions, Amazon, Face Book, Netflix, and many more individuals associated with one of more of the aforementioned.
Parsing that bag of snakes is tough for those who deal with them daily, let alone for the average MOPAR man/woman.
You have to believe what you want by weighing all that you THINK you know, about what you THINK has been presented truthfully by WHOMEVER you put your trust in concerning such matters.
There... is the BIG question; WHOM to believe.
There's an old saying....when you are unable to trust external sources you must turn inward and trust your instinct. We as humans instinctively are skeptical of anything that doesn't ring true.
NOTHING about this virus, and it's downstream handling, rings true. Every facet of this mess is being twisted to suit one or more agendas, none of them are anywhere close to the peoples agenda of gaining a defense against it, correct information about it, and not being manipulated by whomever, because of it.
In light of this ^^^ can we agree that none of us are going to believe exactly the same concerning it? If that question is legit then can we also agree that no persons interpretation of this mess is going to the shiznitz?
When anyone begins by telling me unequivocally that I am wrong because what I say, or believe to be the truth, doesn't match their own views......I stop listening, hearing that person. Period. True discourse cannot happen if absolutes are tossed into it like hand grenades, to make a persons point be "more valid" than anyone else's.
That type of thing only hampers the flow of information, it's what many of the aforementioned agenda holders do TO US ALL every single waking hour.
I for one, do NOT see any point in assisting them, in their goal to keep us divided and scared.

So, all that to say this; There is a virus. It can kill you, depending...
There are vaccines available, however effective they may be.
The decision to avail oneself of them is a personal choice based on many factors.
It shouldn't be a point of ridicule that anyone's choices, or the reasons for them, are wrong. What makes them wrong? You? Your choices are better than mine? How come? What makes you think yours are more right than mine?

Please....let's all STOP fighting against each other and slaying friendly dragons. Instead of telling each other that we are wrong, how about we tell each other what we believe to be true, and WHY we believe it. Not rhetoric, truth & facts.
This way we can begin to build our own 'jellyfish' whose tentacles are terminated in unassailable facts. In this way we can throw off the cloak of manufactured fear and begin to right this ship we call America, you remember? The one where all passengers are welcome?
Ghost.
 
moparedtn said:
Fact remains, I don't trust any of the numbers of this current pandemic; I don't trust any of the timing of
the release of the virus (and by whom); I don't trust the manner in which it was handled from the feds on down
in this country; and I certainly don't trust any miracle vaccine that set new records for being developed, tested,
whatever in order to show up just in time to save the day.
The history of pandemics, the history of the development of such vaccines and the history of how such
diseases were handled (and subsequently eventually fell off the public scope) ALL tell me not to....

...and at this point, no amount of "persuasion" by anyone will change my mind on that, right or wrong.
So, and for the final time...
Me done.
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Ghostrider 67 said:
Please....let's all STOP fighting against each other and slaying friendly dragons. Instead of telling each other that we are wrong, how about we tell each other what we believe to be true, and WHY we believe it. Not rhetoric, truth & facts.
This way we can begin to build our own 'jellyfish' whose tentacles are terminated in unassailable facts. In this way we can throw off the cloak of manufactured fear and begin to right this ship we call America, you remember? The one where all passengers are welcome?
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I agree.

In none of my posts on this subject have I ever fought with, denigrated or said anyone is wrong. Just because I do not agree with Ed, Ironbuilt and perhaps others on this topic does not mean that I do not like them or don't have respect for them, as a matter of fact, quite the opposite. I'd like to think two people can respectfully disagree on a subject. I think that's where we are here, so I'm checking out and going back to discussing Mopars...
 
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