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No Road Wheels With 426?

No I am not here to prove anything to anyone here, .

It would actually be pretty easy to prove this wheel was available through Chrysler by a reference to a 15" five spoke chrome wheel in the data books, parts manual, sales option codes, window sticker, accessories book or other factory document.

I checked four of these sources and found a reference to a 14x6 C body five spoke but no mention of a 15 inch five spoke in 67. Other sources I don't have may show it existed.
 
Suggests someone walked across the street to the Ford dealer, bought 4 wheels there and brought them back to the Chrysler dealer and installed them on his C body car..
 
No I am not here to prove anything to anyone here, as I couldn't care less if anyone believes me or not. I don't have any Interest in pissing matches, and I doubt many members here were even alive in 1967, let alone old enough to drive these cars when they were new. the wheel was an exact copy of the 15x6 steel wheel available on all three of my 67-68 models, only they were road wheels. rare yes, hardly ordered, yes. did they exist , yes. Did anyone consider the possibility that the dealers had wheels from outside vendors for sale in their parts dept to upcharge upon delivery? I did sell my only original set like them in 1984 to a friend that still has them on his car,,,It never fails to amaze me that people believe that, unless it is written, it did not happen with Chrysler.

This one is interesting to me because, as I have posted in other threads, our dealer in State College used to do some odd stuff to many of the cars he sold. I remember well a red '68 Chrysler 300 owned by a local podiatrist, the car wore 15" magnum 500s and white walls when it was new. Did it come that way from the factory? I can't say. What made this car stand out to me was the fact that Chrysler didn't offer the same wheel for the GTX, which I thought would have been an improvement over the 14" version. Thought the same thing when the 15" magnums and 60 series polyglas appeared on the Boss 429. I was a teenager when all this stuff was new, and watched it like a hawk, hoping some day I'd have a piece of it...
 
Now we're getting somewhere. Dealer installed is completely different from what was actually offered by the factory. Dealer installed items would also not be listed on the manufacturer's Monroney sticker.


Sorry, I have been to the dentist multiple times in the last week, but my friend still has the 15x6 wheels I sold him in 1985. These are the same wheels I removed from a 68 New Yorker in 1974, and used them on my 68 until 1986. The other two Alan Bought out of a salvage yard in Phoeniix in 1986. They were also on a 68 Chrysler.

In additioin, a Bonus document is coming soon,9 (Alan has it, and is looking for it) showing they were offered in a actual 67 Dodge Brochure, and referred to as styled wheels, as His friend bought a brand new 67 Hemi Coronet in 67, and those wheels were on the car when he first saw it. You can see clearly motor wheel 4, and 7 for 67 and 15x6 K.
I also remember well in 68 seeing rows of roadrunners and bees on the lot with no caps, and factory road wheels being unloaded from a semi Truck, stacked up near the pickup area. the dealers hoped to up charge even 14 inch wheels. They would then keep the takeoffs, and the cap that had come with the car. So many, many new roadrunners were ordered with no road wheels, but sure left the dealer with them.

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Suggests someone walked across the street to the Ford dealer, bought 4 wheels there and brought them back to the Chrysler dealer and installed them on his C body car..

I asked a ford expert that has been restoring them for 30 years, (and Painted nine of my cars from1994-2008) and he states there were no 15x6 road wheels sold by Ford those years. 15x7 starting in 69, 14x7 on Mustangs on some 68's
 
Bought my '67 charger from the original owner.
My car was optioned with magnum 500 wheels, but he couldn't quite afford the car and really wanted a charger with a 383 because his brother had a '66 charger with a 383. He was able to get the car because he had the dealer remove the magnums and install black steelies with no hubcaps.
He later got '67 charger spinner hubcaps used at a swap meet in the early '80s.
His brother wrapped the '66 around a pole and my cars original owner parted out the brothers car and put it in boxes. I got a whole other interior, wiring harness, trim set, grille and lights, and a bunch of other parts with my car from the brothers car.
 
Sorry, I have been to the dentist multiple times in the last week, but my friend still has the 15x6 wheels I sold him in 1985. These are the same wheels I removed from a 68 New Yorker in 1974, and used them on my 68 until 1986. The other two Alan Bought out of a salvage yard in Phoeniix in 1986. They were also on a 68 Chrysler.

In additioin, a Bonus document is coming soon,9 (Alan has it, and is looking for it) showing they were offered in a actual 67 Dodge Brochure, and referred to as styled wheels, as His friend bought a brand new 67 Hemi Coronet in 67, and those wheels were on the car when he first saw it. You can see clearly motor wheel 4, and 7 for 67 and 15x6 K.
I also remember well in 68 seeing rows of roadrunners and bees on the lot with no caps, and factory road wheels being unloaded from a semi Truck, stacked up near the pickup area. the dealers hoped to up charge even 14 inch wheels. They would then keep the takeoffs, and the cap that had come with the car. So many, many new roadrunners were ordered with no road wheels, but sure left the dealer with them.

This may help. Attached is a 68 Chrysler order sheet showing the wheel options available for purchase.
IF the wheel was available, we should find documentation via window stickers, broadcast sheets, data books, order sheets, salesman pocket books etc.
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These brochures are available, and show the wheel choice, and they are clearly 15 inch, and are referred to in the ad.

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The text mentions 15" wheels, and it also mentions 'styled road wheels' but it doesn't say 15" styled road wheels.
This brochure page also mentions 15" wheels, but only 14" styled road wheels.
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I recommend you go look at the 68 roadrunner or Charger ads, and look at the 14 inch wheels, and compare the two. also, In the copper color ad, If Chrysler wanted to refer to a14 inch wheel, wouldn't they have done so? The ad would have said 14 or 15 inch styled wheels.,but it did not. and all disc brake 68's had 15's, as 14 inch wheels did not fit the brakes.
It is easy to compare the wheel in the brochures with the pictures of mine. they are clearly the same wheel. and having driven them then I can recognize them as the same wheel. The wheels I posted are not an Invention,and they are here plain as day. and they are clearly 1967 manufacture, all my 1968 14 inch chrome wheels say M4 7 and my 15x6 H wheels I own also have the same code, only the steel wheel has a 15xJ K .
The regular Mopar 15x6 will say 15x6 JJ
 
they could be bought from the org. supplier Motor Wheel Corp.
in 15"x6 "

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dealer optioned would be the logical guess
 
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I remember the Chrysler Plymouth Dealership in S. SF
where my parents bought & ordered my mom's
68 Sport Satellite 383 4bbl 4 speed, her 1st ever 'new car'
they had 15" High Polished Aluminum 'Ansen Slots'
(may have been Fenton)
hanging on the wall of the parts center, as fully warranted option,
IIRC with Uniroyal Raised white letters (hot at the time)
or a Goddyear Polyglass GT F-70's frt & G-60's rear (IIRC)
all dealer installed, at an extra cost

I pleaded my stepdad Bob to get them
he was a no go on that/negatory 8-9 y/o son

he ended up putting 15" Crager S/ST on,
a month or so after we got the car home,
with some shitty Blackwall recap/retread tires
(he was known to be cheap)
 
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I recommend you go look at the 68 roadrunner or Charger ads, and look at the 14 inch wheels, and compare the two. also, In the copper color ad, If Chrysler wanted to refer to a14 inch wheel, wouldn't they have done so? The ad would have said 14 or 15 inch styled wheels.,but it did not. and all disc brake 68's had 15's, as 14 inch wheels did not fit the brakes.
It is easy to compare the wheel in the brochures with the pictures of mine. they are clearly the same wheel. and having driven them then I can recognize them as the same wheel. The wheels I posted are not an Invention,and they are here plain as day. and they are clearly 1967 manufacture, all my 1968 14 inch chrome wheels say M4 7 and my 15x6 H wheels I own also have the same code, only the steel wheel has a 15xJ K .
The regular Mopar 15x6 will say 15x6 JJ

I don't trust my eyes enough to be able to tell the difference between a 14 and 15" wheel in a small picture. Maybe others will back you up on that.

Brochures and ads have been know to contain errors or portray items that never made it into production. Two that come to my mind immediately are a rocker panel 'racing' stripe in a 67 Coronet R/T ad and the picture showing a 71 T/A Challenger. The brochure you posted mentions a 15" wheel but leaves room for doubt that it was a 15" five spoke road wheel.

Again, IF the wheels were available, then you would see references in other factory documents.
The order form does not show a 15" wheel as being available for order.
I've not found any reference in the data books, salesman pocket books, order guides, fleet buyers guide or other sales documents showing the wheel, a sales code or pricing.
One should expect to find a listing of the wheel as well as an associate 15" tire on window stickers.
There is no reference to the wheel in the parts book if one needed to order a replacement.

I'm sorry, there has been no verified evidence with corroboration that the wheel was available from Mopar. What is plausible is the wheels you removed from the car were aftermarket.
 
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As noted above, there is no evidence of an assembly line installed 15" magnum wheel. Dealer installed; of course. I'm sure Mr Norm would install a hemi in your lawn tractor, if that is what you wanted.
 
As noted above, there is no evidence of an assembly line installed 15" magnum wheel. Dealer installed; of course. I'm sure Mr Norm would install a hemi in your lawn tractor, if that is what you wanted.


I can say with a great deal of confidence that the average older driver of a new 68 New Yorker would not go to a store to buy an after market wheel. The stamping on my old wheels show it to be a real 15x6, and is coded as a 67' Mopar wheel. The proof is clear.

I also have 14x6 aftermarket magnum 500 wheels from back in the 70/s , and no such stamping is on them. If they were Ford, they would say FOMOCO. they don't.

And, it is Irrelevant to me if a technician mounted it on an assembly line, or loaded them into a semi to send to the dealer to have another tech mount it. If Mopar made it and Installed it, that part is a part of the car, IMHO.

so, can the magician in the room here explain how a real Mopar 15x6 wheel dated 1967 get on a 68 Chrysler? In two different states? 12 years apart? I do believe 2+2 still equals 4 today.

Apparently, the long held myth here is that everything Chrysler did is documented in a book.
Nope
 
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