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It looks like even the car shows on TV are going green with woke BS!

Richard Cranium said:
Since electric cars are our future, might I ask how far along are you with converting the GTX in your avatar to electric power?
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Why would I do that? We are talking future daily commutes and mass transit. And eventually freight/shipping. When electric semi hauling becomes cheaper than diesel? (Which will happen in our lifetime.) You either convert or you will be out of business.

Did Henry Ford listen to the horse and buggie crowd? A new and faster train is coming. And you are standing on the tracks whining about the past.
 
I have no interest in driving a toaster on wheels...

maybe when gas hits or is $10 a gallon
(probably later this year, under the current failing leadership)
IT MAY BE A VIABLE ALTERNATIVE...

doesn't (isn't) work/ing all that well in rural areas
way too much charge or available distance on a charge anxiety
they can't keep the power on now

Where's all the trillions of $$$ going to come from
we can't keep printing or borrowing it,
sooner or later it will crash & fold like the deck of cards
it all is
We have people paid more today, to stay home & not work
that kills the influx of cash (taxes) coming in to fund it...
It actually takes away, the influx of cash (taxes) to do much...

IMO way too many machines, commercial usage
that will still pollute, 10's of trillions of $$$ worth
where's the $$$ going to come from ?
We are still decades away to convert to electric
no matter how much we do today
it took 40 years (1886-1926) to get the internal combustion engine
to be viable...
&
We don't have the electrical infrastructure/supply capability
to supply it either, not in the next 10 years,
probably in the next 25-35 years either

(like someone said; 'the cart before the horse' mentality)

It's just the newest "Big Green Deal" agenda
it's fleecing the general public, big *** shill game to get funding
follow the $$$, it always tells you the truth...

Maybe let the open market decide, whether we want it or not
& not be forced upon US like so much of this "woke" crap is today...
We all know by whom, too...
 
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It's the same trope as with hybrids. Just because they don't work for some people, they must be bad for everyone.

The challenges to the power grid are not excessive compared to the buildout of the last 50 years. Research has shown that enough generation capacity exists today (power plants) to electrify all cars and light-duty trucks. Some investments will be needed in infrastructure (transmission lines), but it is definitely possible.

https://www.autoweek.com/news/green...l-all-these-new-electric-cars-crash-the-grid/

I agree that the open market should decide, but the technology is getting there, and quickly.
 
Cojohnso1 said:
In the early 1900s there was an uproar by the horse and buggie crowd how they will never give up their pony for any devil created mechanical machine. Did the advancement of mechanical travels kill off the horse trade? Nope.

Many sound as ridiculous as the buggie crowd. You can't stop progress. And green energy is the future. We can either lead? Or watch the US slip to 2nd, 3rd or even lower on the technological and economic fronts.
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No.
 
An electric motor powered muscle car is about as stupid as a diesel powered muscle car in my opinion. Both options add an extreme amount of extra weight to the vehicle. Weren’t we all supposed to be flying around in cars by now anyways?
 
I actually would like to have a plug-in hybrid (cant get stuck with a dead battery that way), and with a storage battery and some solar panels in arizona, that could almost be free transportation to the stores and back. Tiny little gas engine might even get good mileage on my commutes to and from california.....but,
NOTHING will take the place of my 62 racecar, or my opel, or my A12, or my box truck, or my diesel pickup, and the things they can do. And i dont see that changing in the near future.
 
I understand the sadness of an era coming to an end. But denying the future is just plain stupid. And we have had enough stupid in our direction and leadership. 10-15 years from now? There will be no debate. When lithium is replaced with far better and efficient battery designs. In vehicle technology that are far more efficient, higher performance, lower maintenance, FAR more ecologically sound than internal combustion designs.

I don't fear the future. And I'm not going to mourn the past for the rest of my days? I rechoice in the fact I got to live and experience the transportation revolution. That gave us the vehicles we all adore. Because truthfully? I'm not a big fan of horses. They are big, mean, dirty, expensive and stupid. And the generations to come? I bet say the same thing about our beloved B-bodies.
 
33 IMP said:
I actually would like to have a plug-in hybrid (cant get stuck with a dead battery that way), and with a storage battery and some solar panels in arizona, that could almost be free transportation to the stores and back. Tiny little gas engine might even get good mileage on my commutes to and from california.....but,
NOTHING will take the place of my 62 racecar, or my opel, or my A12, or my box truck, or my diesel pickup, and the things they can do. And i dont see that changing in the near future.
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Was thinking along those lines (hybrid) maybe, haven't owned or even driven one; though my B-I-L and nephew have had one for a few years and they like them so I gather. Kind of odd (I'm no expert) but would think an all electric car could be self-charging given that motion or rotation generates energy, I guess that capability isn't practical. Like I mentioned in an earlier post, the practicality of it 'all' with mass mfg (and raw materials) and ultimately disposal or some reusable components (and this process) of a spent battery, seem a far stretch to be talking 10 years all-electric. Many-many unanswered questions IMO.
 
Ron H said:
Was thinking along those lines (hybrid) maybe, haven't owned or even driven one; though my B-I-L and nephew have had one for a few years and they like them so I gather. Kind of odd (I'm no expert) but would think an all electric car could be self-charging given that motion or rotation generates energy, I guess that capability isn't practical. Like I mentioned in an earlier post, the practicality of it 'all' with mass mfg (and raw materials) and ultimately disposal or some reusable components (and this process) of a spent battery, seem a far stretch to be talking 10 years all-electric. Many-many unanswered questions IMO.
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They do incorporate recapture of lost energy technologies. But it will always take more energy to move than can gain to recapture. (Thus the notion of physics? "You can't get something from nothing")

Engineers have spoken of battery technologies that make charging a matter of minutes. Batteries lasting weeks on single charge. (1000+ miles)

It's not that far in the future in my opinion. Others believe we are at the dawn of those realities today?

Again, we can either lead on the future of travel technologies? Or? We listen to the deniers. (And you know who you are. And this topic is not the only idiotic denying subject matter.) Follow the path to the past? And watch rest of the world kick our tails.

We have lost enough time. And we as a nation is behind the technology race.
 
Ron H said:
Was thinking along those lines (hybrid) maybe, haven't owned or even driven one; though my B-I-L and nephew have had one for a few years and they like them so I gather. Kind of odd (I'm no expert) but would think an all electric car could be self-charging given that motion or rotation generates energy, I guess that capability isn't practical. Like I mentioned in an earlier post, the practicality of it 'all' with mass mfg (and raw materials) and ultimately disposal or some reusable components (and this process) of a spent battery, seem a far stretch to be talking 10 years all-electric. Many-many unanswered questions IMO.
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The problem that i see with a plug-in hybrid, is the ludicously short electric only range.
When i was first curious about this i asked a rep for toyota at an auto show, what their hybrid electric only range was. She proudly said " eleven miles!"
I just googled what the best current mileage is. Bmw claims 53 miles for their ugly-beyond-belief version. Thats not even enough for a round trip to the nearest casino. Volvo proudly claims twenty for theirs. Not even a roundtrip to walmart.
 
I'm putting these on all my cars.
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I certainly agree that charge times will be reduced as the battery chemistry and current capacities improve. Just keep in mind there are still trade offs. When I worked in USB charging applications at a semiconductor company 7 years ago the goal was a quick charger for cell phones and tablets. The ideal was to charge from dead a cell phone in 10 minutes, or so. Increasing the voltage (this is the pressure of the charge) to allow fast charging does work, but it also impacts battery longevity.
The voltage is the pressure and the current is the flow. Think about filling a swimming pool in minutes. Takes lots of water pressure (voltage) and flow (current), but also the physics of keeping that blast contained to the pool and not splashing out, or cracking the concrete, etc (heat, arcing, chemical degradation inside a battery).
So I assume there are proposals to take 1200V and charge the car in 10 minutes, but the containment and heat generated are the challenges in physics that require a solution.
BTW here we are in 2021 and it still takes about 4 hours to charge my phone.
 
Andew Sury said:
I'm putting these on all my cars.
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She never went to charm school; not that this would do any good with her condition anyway. When I've listened to her I think I'm a worthless old **** geezer to be despised bent on destroying da planet. And wow, if I'm lucky I drive my old ride all of 1200 miles a year. Geez I need a hug...nope don't mean from you, lol...
 
Billccm said:
I certainly agree that charge times will be reduced as the battery chemistry and current capacities improve. Just keep in mind there are still trade offs. When I worked in USB charging applications at a semiconductor company 7 years ago the goal was a quick charger for cell phones and tablets. The ideal was to charge from dead a cell phone in 10 minutes, or so. Increasing the voltage (this is the pressure of the charge) to allow fast charging does work, but it also impacts battery longevity.
The voltage is the pressure and the current is the flow. Think about filling a swimming pool in minutes. Takes lots of water pressure (voltage) and flow (current), but also the physics of keeping that blast contained to the pool and not splashing out, or cracking the concrete, etc (heat, arcing, chemical degradation inside a battery).
So I assume there are proposals to take 1200V and charge the car in 10 minutes, but the containment and heat generated are the challenges in physics that require a solution.
BTW here we are in 2021 and it still takes about 4 hours to charge my phone.
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This is with lithium ion. Newer material and technologies changes the dynamics all together. Much higher capacity. With much lower resistance than lithium. Even full lithium (I believe called carbon core containment.) That allows for twice the capacity at 1/2 the charge/discharge resistance than Musk's ion cell design is not enough to reach satisfactory goals. (This full lithium design is also FAR safer.)

Some of the battery designs I've read are spooky. But working. (Still WAY too expensive to bring to market.) Including designs that are as much biological as is technological.

Going to be an interesting decade.

Or we can explore clean coal? LMAO. WTF? How far back does the oneside want to go? I think they draw the line at whale oil. 17th century technology is a bridge too far? Lol.
 
Photon440 said:
That would get me only two weeks of normal driving. Crazy!
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That would get me less than half way from one house to the other. How many charging stations are there in the middle of the california desert, 20 miles from the nearest town of 500 residents?
 
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