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Demon vs Tesla

:rofl::rofl::rofl: You have no idea of what I can and can't afford, clown.
You just whined about it. Remember? "Average person?" You may be a crusader? Sticking up for the little guy? When all along you could roll any of us? (I'm not getting that vibe. But maybe?)

I'm just saying it's an awesome car. And if I could afford? I may be on that build wait list. Because in the Ferrari world? It is not astronomically priced. Different than anything ever produced to this point.
 
It's all you do Q.
Loser talk.


A REAL loser blabs his financial status on a public forum:

But I crunched the numbers. If I sold everything including retirement accounts and real estate holdings? I believe I could afford one. (And keep the Duster!) I would need to live in it? (Which I'm sure it's not good for resale values?) And I'm pretty sure my kids would disown me? But for a short time?

Another sign of a loser:

I would be so cool.

Discussing anything with someone like you is a waste of time.

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Just wait until power grid is overloaded, they better get to work on that. California here we come.:lol:
 
A REAL loser blabs his financial status on a public forum:



Another sign of a loser:



Discussing anything with someone like you is a waste of time.

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You know Q. You can walk by a punch bowl without talking a dump in it? But I'm sure Ferrari doesn't give two craps what some Q idiot thinks?

Some of these new technologies are amazing. And like all advancements? You are going to get some nostalgia push back. But the future doesn't care. The fact that internal combustion technologies have been obsolete for decades is not new. In the next 20 years the bulk of domestic freight will be via electric/electric hybrid. Due to significant reduction in energy cost per pound. So freight companies either adapt? Or easily get out bid. That doesn't mean the complete elimination of gas/diesel powered transportation. Heavy equipment including rail service will likely continue with electric/diesel hybrid as is today? They will be adding more stored electric services to increase efficiency. (Why trains are not looking into solar and battery cars? Is beyond me? They are giant build boards of solar collection area?)

And what does that mean for overall economy? JOBS! And small to large business opportunities. So you can either lead? Or follow. But one thing I wouldn't recommend? Is stand on the train tracks with this new technology running at you. At much higher speeds!
 
And what does that mean for overall economy? JOBS!

I see this statement used frequently.
When announcing the end of some industry, the big-wigs trot out this to soften the blow.
I don't see it that way. Some people don't want to change their path or learn a new job. If something is working, changing it is not always an improvement.
If the "new" technology comes with drawbacks instead of improvements, it is not a net gain.

Also...."jobs"....
Do they ever replace the jobs they eliminate in the same amount? If 10,000 people get laid off, do they create 10,000 jobs to compensate? I don't think so.
"Creating new jobs" is a catch phrase that sounds great on the surface but coold still be a net loss.
If you lay off 10,000 but create 2,000 new jobs, you're not improving anything.
 
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I see this statement used frequently.
When announcing the end of some industry, the big-wigs trot out this to soften the blow.
I don't see it that way. Some people don't want to change their path or learn a new job. If something is working, changing it is not always an improvement.
If the "new" technology comes with drawbacks instead of improvements, it is not a net gain.
But that happens in business all the time? Ask a factory worker. Something faster, better and less expensive comes along? And you are looking for a new job. You can't have it both ways, Government intervention to block a more efficient technology? Spells doom.

Again. We either lead? Or get ran over. This technology is faster, more efficient and less environmentally impactful. The science and data is in. And it's heavily lopsided. And not even the mighty fossil fuel industry can stop it. The winners will be the ones that adapt.

This doesn't mean the end of all fossil fuel development and production? I do not understand how the extreme sides of the isle get stuck on the "All in or All out" trap?
 
I do not understand how the extreme sides of the isle get stuck on the "All in or All out" trap?
This statement plays to my thread about "The Devil's Advocate".
Sometimes when a change is implemented, things you love get eliminated completely. Being as this topic is in the General Discussion forum, I'm going to limit myself on some opinions here.
People that push changes on the public rarely are satisfied. They reach one goal, then push to another one. Maybe that is human nature but I am from the thinking that if it works, don't fix it. If it can be improved, that is fine but don't abandon what works well.
In my opinion, the whole supply and disposal issues associated with batteries troubles me.
I am not completely against new tech. If something is better than the old ways, I'll give it a look-see.
I don't find quiet and smooth cars interesting no matter how fast they might be. I often sit in my Chargers and just let them idle to hear the sound and smell the fuel burning. I'd never get that satisfaction in an electric car.
 
This statement plays to my thread about "The Devil's Advocate".
Sometimes when a change is implemented, things you love get eliminated completely. Being as this topic is in the General Discussion forum, I'm going to limit myself on some opinions here.
People that push changes on the public rarely are satisfied. They reach one goal, then push to another one. Maybe that is human nature but I am from the thinking that if it works, don't fix it. If it can be improved, that is fine but don't abandon what works well.
In my opinion, the whole supply and disposal issues associated with batteries troubles me.
I am not completely against new tech. If something is better than the old ways, I'll give it a look-see.
I don't find quiet and smooth cars interesting no matter how fast they might be. I often sit in my Chargers and just let them idle to hear the sound and smell the fuel burning. I'd never get that satisfaction in an electric car.
I understand the nostalgia effect. I too am from the muscle car era. And I have partake in teasing my kids and their tastes in tuner car technologies and builds. As my dad's generation teased me. That Muscle cars are factory. And not Hot Rods.

I bet you haven't even tried a performance electric car? Neither have I. But I want too. It doesn't diminish Muscle cars appeal? In fact? It may enhance.
 
How about solar farms anyone? Let's just put these in wherever there's an open field and that will solve all of the problems with EV's and the power grid...There's nothing in those fields that's important, not as important as lots of solar panels, tons of concrete and creating JOBS...
This guy is a greeny and here's what he has to say. But of course clueless idiots who think having a certain car is going to make him "cool" is convinced this is a good idea.

 
How about solar farms anyone? Let's just put these in wherever there's an open field and that will solve all of the problems with EV's and the power grid...There's nothing in those fields that's important, not as important as lots of solar panels, tons of concrete and creating JOBS...
This guy is a greeny and here's what he has to say. But of course clueless idiots who think having a certain car is going to make him "cool" is convinced this is a good idea.



If you watch his talk, it's scientifically worthless. All he basically says is 'there are potential problems, but I don't understand the scope or magnitude of the problems, but it's stuff we should look out for.' Just because he's wearing a Marie Curie shirt doesn't make him a scientist.

If you're up for a video with actual science in it, this one ain't bad. The end it also talks about how newer solar farm technology can draw energy from the heated material for up to 10+ hours after the sun goes down, basically built-in energy storage that isn't batteries.

 
If you're up for a video with actual science in it, this one ain't bad. The end it also talks about how newer solar farm technology can draw energy from the heated material for up to 10+ hours after the sun goes down, basically built-in energy storage that isn't batteries.


How much farmland do we need to take up to have enough solar power for the grid? They want to put a 400 acre solar farm in a county about 50 miles from here. Maybe you missed the part about how much concrete has to be poured to put these "mirrors" in, maybe you missed the part about how much energy it takes to make this crap. A farmer friend of mine has been attending the public hearings to oppose this eco disaster. Who's going to build this farm? A company who will sell it shortly after it's built. Where's the energy going? NYC. Any HS science student knows that the farther electricity has to travel the more power it loses. One of the goals of the people pushing this crap is to destroy farm land as well as make money pushing something that really won't solve the problem and destroy the grid.
The guy in the T shirt you mentioned cited his information. Did he make that up?
How long are solar panels good for? Do they ever pay for themselves? What about the environmental impact? Did he make that up as well or is laying waste to hundreds or thousands of acres of land with wildlife on it something you also missed?
 
If you're up for a video with actual science in it, this one ain't bad.


This video conveniently doesn't discuss how this concrete behemoth was built. Miles of mirrors to power 200K homes? How many millions of homes are in CA? How many miles of mirrors would they need to power the state? Are they cooking wildlife with these mirrors?
How much energy does it take to make the materials for this farm? I haven't heard her mention it.
 
Any bird that flies in burned to a crisp. Don't how close to the center they have to be? Wonder how often those mirrors need to be cleaned, dust storm anyone.
 
If the "new" technology comes with drawbacks instead of improvements, it is not a net gain.


The clown also mentioned more efficient and less impactful on the environment and, oh yeah, ? This "technology" is neither. Thats' the inconvenient truth. Mirrors or solar panels have many of the same problems that people like this conveniently overlook.
 
I agree, it's always good to look at environmental concerns. I think it's great, but let's try apples to apples. How much coal slag is generated by the coal industry every year? When was the last time anyone asked how much energy it takes to build a coal or NG plant, what it takes to maintain them? No energy generation is magically free, infrastructure has to be built.

Most of the large solar plants are being built in the deserts.

Nobody is forcing farmers to lease their land, it's their land, they can do with it what they please. Just like when they lease land for fracking. Are you morally ok with that?

PVs do pay for themselves. Answers to every question you asked can be easily found. As for the non-scientist, he may have interesting questions, but he provides no data or justification.

Yes some birds will die, and it's something that should be considered. Will you also consider the billions in damage from coal pollution?

https://grist.org/justice/tva-kingston-coal-ash-spill-nuclear/
 
How much farmland do we need to take up to have enough solar power for the grid? They want to put a 400 acre solar farm in a county about 50 miles from here. Maybe you missed the part about how much concrete has to be poured to put these "mirrors" in, maybe you missed the part about how much energy it takes to make this crap. A farmer friend of mine has been attending the public hearings to oppose this eco disaster. Who's going to build this farm? A company who will sell it shortly after it's built. Where's the energy going? NYC. Any HS science student knows that the farther electricity has to travel the more power it loses. One of the goals of the people pushing this crap is to destroy farm land as well as make money pushing something that really won't solve the problem and destroy the grid.
The guy in the T shirt you mentioned cited his information. Did he make that up?
How long are solar panels good for? Do they ever pay for themselves? What about the environmental impact? Did he make that up as well or is laying waste to hundreds or thousands of acres of land with wildlife on it something you also missed?
I believe this is out in the desert? Not "Farmlands" But it's not the design answer. I recently flew in and out of Vegas. Now there is a city that does nothing but sit in the dessert. Using electricity while sun is beating down on them 340 days a year. With very little rooftop solar program. They would be ideal? Isolated so could easily measure the impact. Solar is by far more efficient locally. Supplying DC current near the source. But I guess the politics are such that collective efforts are tough. But one would think the big casino owners would be in favor of self managed energy policies and practice? Apparently not. Also? How about offshore solar desalination platforms? Especially in the pacific? Then pipeline inland? Fresh water is even a bigger issue out west?

Just thinking outloud.
 
Most of the large solar plants are being built in the deserts.


Nothing out there - nothing lives in the desert...the non scientist mentions what happened when they put that solar farm out in the desert or maybe you conveniently missed that part. There is nothing in the agreement with the local solar farm being considered that addresses what happens when the solar panels are no longer effective. The owner of the land may be free to do what they want with it but then they can pay for the removal AND disposal of the junk solar panels as well. That's not in the contract and will likely fall on the taxpayer. The non scientist cited how energy prices went up when renewable energy programs went in to effect. Maybe you weren't paying attention to that either. How about the defunct windmills? What a lovely sight. Is that what you do? Work for a windmill plant?
 
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