Demon vs Tesla

Photon440 · Sep 1, 2021

If you're in a dry area, perhaps a better idea is simply putting solar panels on your roof. That way, no deserts are used up for solar farms and anyone who doesn't want to be forced to use solar power can stay on the grid.

Solar panels seldom become completely ineffective, unless something breaks them. They generally are cited to have a useful working life of about thirty years; a .5% degradation in output per year is expected, so after thirty years they are down to 85% output. Still usable but not optimum.

As for disposal of used panels, they're mostly glass, but can be recycled. Take Australia for example, where over 3 million homes have solar panels - not just getting free power but also making a bit of profit by selling the surplus. They have recycling programs and it costs about $10 to recycle a solar panel, a cost that could be added up front like bottle deposits on soft drinks. Europe operates this way with their panels, putting responsibility on the manufacturer to take care of collecting and recycling after usable life.

66 Sat · Sep 1, 2021

I've got solar on my house - it's great. Generates power from probably 6am to 4pm. Covers nearly all the household power unless we have all the a/c units running, has a storage battery too for power once the sun goes down, and the surplus goes back to the grid (which we get paid for). The government give interest free loans to pay for it, the repayments for which are more than covered by the saving on the power bills. No downsides that I can see.

Richard Cranium · Sep 1, 2021

Cojohnso1 said:
JOBS!

There's that three letter word again.

moparedtn · Sep 1, 2021

QOTHL said:
How about solar farms anyone? Let's just put these in wherever there's an open field and that will solve all of the problems with EV's and the power grid...There's nothing in those fields that's important, not as important as lots of solar panels, tons of concrete and creating JOBS...
This guy is a greeny and here's what he has to say. But of course clueless idiots who think having a certain car is going to make him "cool" is convinced this is a good idea.

"Now that we know that renewables cannot help save the planet - the question is, are we going to keep allowing
them to destroy it?"
Ah yes, unintended results...
"Solutions", based on what makes us feel all kumbaya warm and fuzzy with ourselves - most often turn out to be
illogical, impractical and are quite the opposite of helpful to the planet - and are instead destructive.

Thanks for posting this video, it was very interesting. This fella has thought his "-ism" based ideology all the
way through, a rare rare thing for either side of the topic - he's followed the logic and seen the results.
Only thing I can disagree with his is suggestion that nuclear is the answer.
To me, the risks (however small percentage-wise they may be) of nuclear simply cannot be overlooked.
JMO.

moparedtn · Sep 1, 2021

Oh - and back to the original topic of this thread....
I'll offer the following fresh JD Power initial quality survey of the car makers.
Make note of who's on top - and who's damn near on the bottom:

Yeah, go on and buy Elon's crap...

Photon440 · Sep 1, 2021

moparedtn said:
Oh - and back to the original topic of this thread....
I'll offer the following fresh JD Power initial quality survey of the car makers.
Make note of who's on top - and who's damn near on the bottom:
View attachment 1161444

Yeah, go on and buy Elon's crap...

Doesn't look good, but I'm surprised that Chrysler's crap is even worse.

moparedtn · Sep 1, 2021

Photon440 said:
Doesn't look good, but I'm surprised that Chrysler's crap is even worse.

Tesla's quality is crap pretty much out of the box, but also what you see reflected is how likely
an average Tesla customer is to be a complainer, too.
Interesting how we don't see banner headlines about quality issues at Tesla, though eh?

I think that explains the disparity between Chrysler and Dodge, too - the demographics of who
walks into a Chrysler showroom vs. a Dodge one. Apparently the average Chrysler buyer ******* more.

Richard Cranium · Sep 1, 2021

moparedtn said:
Tesla's quality is crap pretty much out of the box, but also what you see reflected is how likely
an average Tesla customer is to be a complainer, too.
Interesting how we don't see banner headlines about quality issues at Tesla, though eh?

People who buy Teslas are a different breed.

moparedtn said:
I think that explains the disparity between Chrysler and Dodge, too - the demographics of who
walks into a Chrysler showroom vs. a Dodge one. Apparently the average Chrysler buyer ******* more.

With only two vehicles offered, I don't know how long they'll be around for.

https://www.chrysler.com/

QOTHL · Sep 1, 2021

Richard Cranium said:
With only two vehicles offered, I don't know how long they'll be around for.

With the insider investors in Congress, far longer than they should be. (That guy is in fantastic shape!)
My new Challenger R/T used car does 0-60 in 5 sec., stock. I'll take that great body style over the sheet metal sock puppet any day of the week. Try taking that EV on a long trip.

QOTHL · Sep 1, 2021

moparedtn said:
Tesla customer

What kind of person buys a Tesla? Is the video pretty accurate?

Cojohnso1 · Sep 1, 2021

QOTHL said:
What kind of person buys a Tesla? Is the video pretty accurate?

This electric Mustang ran an 8.27 sec 1/4 at 168 MPH. I think Tesla will get swallowed up by the big boys.

The real question? What kinda person doesn't look at the facts? Or examine new technologies? Even when they are putting their car on the trailer.

Electric cars are going to win. That doesn't mean no gasoline for nostalgic or gas only racing? (Certainly not in our or our kids lifetime.) The Model T won the transportation war with the horse and buggie. But that was certainly not the end of horse industry? 100 years from now? A new technology will defeat self contained electric cars. (Why lug any battery weight around?)

Budnicks · Sep 1, 2021

great video RC

Eco-Nazis, so called science

QOTHL · Sep 1, 2021

Richard Cranium said:
breed.

Is that racist?

QOTHL · Sep 1, 2021

Budnicks said:
Eco-Nazis, so called science

I saw a comment from a guy who used to work in a plant that makes the batteries for these things. He calls these vehicles eco terrorists driven by well meaning idiots.

66/440 · Sep 1, 2021

As long as new energy sources don't require government subsidies of any kind I would be interested to listen.
BTW everyone does understand that fossil fuel refineries produce more than Gas and Oil? The petrochemical industry which produces plastics, household chemicals, beauty products, tires for your car (tesla included), construction products and way more things than I can remember or think of right now is highly dependent on fossil fuel. Not to mention all the associated jobs 1st tier through 3rd or 4th or more, transportation, distribution, sales and all the industries that provide products for the automotive industry etc. that all goes away. The whole basis of our economy would have to be revamped with literally millions out of jobs. Sometimes the cure is wore than the disease.

Photon440 · Sep 1, 2021

You could also argue that we shouldn't have electric street lights because it took away the job of lamp lighters. Buggy whip sales have slumped since cars were invented. Trans-Atlantic passenger liners stopped being profitable when air travel took over and computers are cutting into newspaper sales. Progress usually involves change.

QOTHL · Sep 1, 2021

66/440 said:
that all goes away.

When I was in welding school my instructor told us that renewable, "green" (really red as in communist) energy can't produce enough BTU's to run welders, not to mention produce steel. Almost 50% of what's produced in the world is welded. As you said: that all goes away. How many retarded mirrors would it take to run an industrial welder? How about produce a ton of steel? The goal here is not about the environment, it's about destroying quality of life and ultimately genocide. If they don't kill you with the "vaccine" they'll starve and freeze you to death.

Cojohnso1 · Sep 1, 2021

Photon440 said:
You could also argue that we shouldn't have electric street lights because it took away the job of lamp lighters. Buggy whip sales have slumped since cars were invented. Trans-Atlantic passenger liners stopped being profitable when air travel took over and computers are cutting into newspaper sales. Progress usually involves change.

It's a futile talking point. Technology advancements has scared some sence the stone ages. And in the age of social media? It gets twisted to some sorta plan from Satan before any intellectual discussion can be had? In a age where science and data is now dismissed as fake. Even in the presence of overwhelming evidence. And if explored? Will destroy western democracy as we know it. It's crazy.

QOTHL · Sep 1, 2021

Photon440 said:
Progress usually involves change.

What kind of change?

funknut · Sep 1, 2021

QOTHL said:
When I was in welding school my instructor told us that renewable, "green" (really red as in communist) energy can't produce enough BTU's to run welders, not to mention produce steel. Almost 50% of what's produced in the world is welded. As you said: that all goes away. How many retarded mirrors would it take to run an industrial welder? How about produce a ton of steel? The goal here is not about the environment, it's about destroying quality of life and ultimately genocide. If they don't kill you with the "vaccine" they'll starve and freeze you to death.

A 100A welder at 230V is 23kw, equal to about 16 hair dryers. The Primm, Nevada solar array can produce almost 400MW, so roughly 17,000 welders at 23kw at 100% duty cycle.

Do you really think that all heavy industry is going to close up shop because of renewable energy?

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