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Demon vs Tesla

Do you really think that all heavy industry is going to close up shop because of renewable energy?


That's their plan. How many years are those panels good for?
I talked to my farmer friend today about the local solar farm being proposed. The zoning board hammered it because there is no provision for removing the crap once it no longer produces energy - in other words it would fall on the taxpayer.

How much steel can it produce?
So what solar panel company do you work for? Or maybe you work at a wind turbine plant? How about an EV battery company?

Ethanol can't be produced without gasoline and is heavily subsidized by the taxpayer.
 
That's their plan. How many years are those panels good for?
I talked to my farmer friend today about the local solar farm being proposed. The zoning board hammered it because there is no provision for removing the crap once it no longer produces energy - in other words it would fall on the taxpayer.

How much steel can it produce?
So what solar panel company do you work for? Or maybe you work at a wind turbine plant? How about an EV battery company?

None of the above, but I can do research and basic math. I don’t rely on welding instructors for expertise on mass-scale power generation.

Who is “they”? The same power companies that run conventional power plants are building/contracting with renewable plants. Who is the boogeyman in your scenario?

The mass-scale solar I referred to earlier doesn’t use PV panels. But, as been answered previously in this thread, even PV panels have a nominal service life of around 30 years. What byproducts will conventional power generation create over the course of 30 years?

It’s good that your farmer friend isn’t being taken advantage of and they are requiring guaranteed disposal of whatever is built. The problem isn’t with the renewable tech, the problem is with a greedy company trying to put the burden on the little guy. Or are renewable energy companies uniquely evil? Surely those saintly fracking outfits would never try to exploit farmers…
 
Surely those saintly fracking outfits would never try to exploit farmers…
Is that sarcasm I detect? The fossil fuel industry as a whole has been nothing but forth right. (Ok, that was sarcasm.)
 
What kind of change?
The kind of change that normally occurs with advancements. How many people do you know, including yourself, who are earning a living by doing a job that existed in the same form 200 years ago? I can't think of any, not even the guy who shoes horses.

It takes work, and creates jobs to produce new technology. And unfortunately sometimes the new form uses less labor and creates fewer jobs than it replaces. That is the byproduct of efficiency. There will always be people who fight new advancements - look at the labor wars that fought against sewing machines being brought into garment factories. But those same people from 200 years ago whose jobs don't exist these days would still marvel at the style and standard of living that we can enjoy now.

This thread began with a comparison of cars, one being a Tesla. Tesla's Fremont factory in California has 10,000 people working there, with an estimate of 51,000 jobs created when the entire supply chain is considered. 'Change' doesn't mean an end to all things good.
 
One volcanic blast does more damage to the earths atmosphere than humans can do in a million years at the current rate of pollution. If you can stop the next volcano then I will consider slowing my footprint down. The earth is naturally cleansing itself as it's done before millions of years ago we can't stop it. If you disagree that's fine, it's jmo.
 
One volcanic blast does more damage to the earths atmosphere than humans can do in a million years at the current rate of pollution. If you can stop the next volcano then I will consider slowing my footprint down. The earth is naturally cleansing itself as it's done before millions ofl years ago we can't stop it. If you disagree that's fine, it's jmo.
That's not remotely true. Nature is balanced for volcanos. Meaning volcanos block as much as they add. Humans do not. If you truely believe we can burn fossil fuels that was buried for millions of years leisurely with no repercussions? Then any science will be foreign and useless to you. Of course there is a cost. We certainly are not the whole cause of greenhouse gas emissions. Hell, we may not be even in the top 5? But data shows that we are the straw thats breaking this nature's balance back. And this data shows we don't have to completely eliminate. But we have to reduce our emissions. I believe we should target by half to at least start.
 
yet we have a couple people here pushing "the change"
life goes on & technology is inevitable blah blah blah

But,
that haven't bought anything new in a (very) long time
to paraphrase;
their own words in another thread

hypocrite comes to mind
do as I say not as I do, mentality
jumping on the bandwagon, attempts to be in the cool crowd
 
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I don't own a rocket but I think space travel is important for scientific discovery, does that make me a hypocrite?

I am more than happy to use renewably-generated electricity, though.
 
When I was in welding school my instructor told us that renewable, "green" (really red as in communist) energy can't produce enough BTU's to run welders, not to mention produce steel. Almost 50% of what's produced in the world is welded. As you said: that all goes away. How many retarded mirrors would it take to run an industrial welder? How about produce a ton of steel? The goal here is not about the environment, it's about destroying quality of life and ultimately genocide. If they don't kill you with the "vaccine" they'll starve and freeze you to death.
THE GOAL IS CONTROL
 
You could also argue that we shouldn't have electric street lights because it took away the job of lamp lighters. Buggy whip sales have slumped since cars were invented. Trans-Atlantic passenger liners stopped being profitable when air travel took over and computers are cutting into newspaper sales. Progress usually involves change.
The only difference is that there were more "NET" jobs created. Technology is not bad when managed in a responsible way. We are in uncharted territory with regard to the speed technology is increasing, who knows what the long term effects will be? Mistakes were made in the past but they did not have the same impact because the pace of innovation was slower and allowed for adjustments without getting out of hand. In the end we all need to be open minded, work to be productive and responsible, think for ourselves, not be led by sound bytes and learn from the mistakes we all inevitably make. History, while not always pretty or palatable is still a pretty good insight into human behavior which seems to have remained the same. Just because some folks don't like it, or, are uncomfortable with it doesn't mean there is no value to studying it and learning from it. I like cool new stuff as much as anybody but as the saying goes "with much power comes much responsibility" I am a little worried that personal responsibility has been abandoned for the most part never to return. So I ride the brakes a little on "cutting edge technology" until I see the proof of impact.
 
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