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Not a Mopar, tractor ign

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Just wanting to pick some brains.. I've got a Massey Ferguson 65 that's driving me mad! I bought it last year with the intentions of completely rebuilding it this winter but have some brush hogging to finish first.

Between it and the TO30 I just sold I've had nothing but ignition problems from both of them. I can put fresh points, condenser and a coil on it and almost guarantee you it won't last a year. I've even asked for the best quality coil they have and it still doesn't last? The points seem like junk too, they have one hollow contact and you can see where it's only contacting a small area from being crooked. At this point I'm over it, I'm chalking this up to **** QUALITY parts but at any rate it needs dealt with so how about the Pertronix igniters, anybody use them? I see they sell the conversion kit for my tractor to do away with the points plus they offer an epoxy filled coil?
 
Does your MF 65 have a load resistor in the ignition system? 440'
 
The points being made now are just horrible. After replacing them 6 times in a month on my old Ford tractor, we converted it over to Petronix. Knock on wood, it's been perfect all summer.
 
Sounds like all the condensers were bad. The Brillman Co. Has great tractor parts and as per the petronix great system.
 
It should be a no brainer. get rid of the points. did you check the voltage to the coil ? it may need a resister. is your system 6 or 12 volts? its not rocket science.
 
I get ignition parts for John Deere’s from NAPA. Seem to last years. Bad luck with Steiner points. Ditto on the resister.
 
I put a Pertronix system on a Deere 40 that was giving me trouble starting and have not had an issue since. that was about 5 years ago.
 
I installed Petronix in a Massy 65 4 years ago for a friend and it has had no problems. Says it has never run so good.
 
It should be a no brainer. get rid of the points. did you check the voltage to the coil ? it may need a resister. is your system 6 or 12 volts? its not rocket science.
I know it's not rocket science which is why it's so aggrevating.

It was already converted to 12 volts, yes I put a meter on the coil, it runs a 12 volt coil with an internal resistor so 12V at the coil. I ran my TO 30 both ways, with an external resistor then without using the internal resistor coil, no real difference in life.

Thanks
 
I installed Petronix in a Massy 65 4 years ago for a friend and it has had no problems. Says it has never run so good.
I put a Pertronix system on a Deere 40 that was giving me trouble starting and have not had an issue since. that was about 5 years ago.
The points being made now are just horrible. After replacing them 6 times in a month on my old Ford tractor, we converted it over to Petronix. Knock on wood, it's been perfect all summer.
This is what I wanted to hear. I get the whole argument.. don't throw parts at a problem but when it comes to points vs magnetic pickups nobody should even argue the point. I just wanted to hear whether or not Pertronix was a quality part before purchasing and heard the name thrown around on here. I'll get that ordered and wash my hands of points.
 
I get ignition parts for John Deere’s from NAPA. Seem to last years. Bad luck with Steiner points. Ditto on the resister.
I've been getting mine at Napa, Echlin I believe was the last one.
 
I used to run an 8 volt battery in our TO35, always started and ran great even in below zero weather. Stock ignition, can’t remember changing points etc. more than once in 40 years of ownership. That might exacerbate your problem of burning points, I think I would install an electronic ignition kit and see how it goes.
 
I would think a 65 would've been 12volt to begin with. But if has more then 8 volts to the points it will fry them in short order. Unless you can come up with old stock points... new seem to be crap. We've done several igniters and have had good luck. Our first igniter we bought still runs and it's about 25 years old. I think the igniter is a no brainer.
 
I know it's not rocket science which is why it's so aggrevating.

It was already converted to 12 volts, yes I put a meter on the coil, it runs a 12 volt coil with an internal resistor so 12V at the coil. I ran my TO 30 both ways, with an external resistor then without using the internal resistor coil, no real difference in life.

Thanks
12 volt point type ignitions run a ballast resistor. I will jump on the Pertronix bandwagon. I have a ag shop that works on a lot of older stuff. They have installed hundreds of Pertronix units with very good results.
 
I have a Ford 8N that was build in like 1948, I used to have to put a new set of points in it every spring, gap the spark plugs, etc. About 10 years ago I put a Petronix kit into when I converted it to 12V, haven't touched it since. Sits all winter and fires right up in the spring.
 
I used to run an 8 volt battery in our TO35, always started and ran great even in below zero weather. Stock ignition, can’t remember changing points etc. more than once in 40 years of ownership. That might exacerbate your problem of burning points, I think I would install an electronic ignition kit and see how it goes.
12 volt point type ignitions run a ballast resistor. I will jump on the Pertronix bandwagon. I have a ag shop that works on a lot of older stuff. They have installed hundreds of Pertronix units with very good results.
I started running these coils that don't require the external resistors thinking I'd eliminate one more fragile part.. no change. My biggest problem has been coils, I'm not even getting 6 months at times.
 
I have a Ford 8N that was build in like 1948, I used to have to put a new set of points in it every spring, gap the spark plugs, etc. About 10 years ago I put a Petronix kit into when I converted it to 12V, haven't touched it since. Sits all winter and fires right up in the spring.
We have a 1967 Minneapolis Moline, I haven't touched the ignition in years.. keeps chugging along. I'm stumped on the Ferguson and the Massey, I'm buying what the tractor shop and the Napa shows that it calls for at least for a 12V negative ground.
 
I would think a 65 would've been 12volt to begin with. But if has more then 8 volts to the points it will fry them in short order. Unless you can come up with old stock points... new seem to be crap. We've done several igniters and have had good luck. Our first igniter we bought still runs and it's about 25 years old. I think the igniter is a no brainer.
Couldn't tell you, I believe it's a 1958? Pretty sure the guy I bought it off of said it was converted?
 
Parts will be here tomorrow!! I called my local Massey dealer and told them to get everything coming, got a call a few minutes later telling me to call Summit because her cost is nearly double! Good people, how many places call you back and tell you where to get parts cheaper? Summit had them in stock and show them being delivered tomorrow.
 
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