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Finally using non ethanol fuel

Huicho417

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Well, I finally found a local gas station that sells non ethanol fuel. It’s my local Quick Time store and it’s identified by a red nozzle. It’s $3.33 here in Texas compared to $2.71 87 octane with 10 percent ethanol.

I poured about 1/2 a tank to see what effect it would have….. My 67 coronet seems to be running much better. Sounds a little better as well, but that just may be in my head. Anyone else done this and gotten the same results?
 
What octane is the non ethanol?
 
I use only ethenol free gas nowadays. Supposed to be able to get better gas mileage. And Supposed to be better for the fuel system overall.
 
90 octane over the ethanol 87 octane will be a slight to negitable increase in performance, but no ethanol over 10% ethanol will net about a 10% increase in fuel economy. Just my opinion ofcourse. I have found it to be true in our old cars, but little to no difference in the computer/efi systems of today.
 
Well, I finally found a local gas station that sells non ethanol fuel. It’s my local Quick Time store and it’s identified by a red nozzle. It’s $3.33 here in Texas compared to $2.71 87 octane with 10 percent ethanol.

I poured about 1/2 a tank to see what effect it would have….. My 67 coronet seems to be running much better. Sounds a little better as well, but that just may be in my head. Anyone else done this and gotten the same results?
https://www.pure-gas.org/index.jsp?stateprov=TX

Scroll down to San Antonio and you'll find literally dozens of locations for ethanol-free gas.
 
90 octane over the ethanol 87 octane will be a slight to negitable increase in performance, but no ethanol over 10% ethanol will net about a 10% increase in fuel economy. Just my opinion ofcourse. I have found it to be true in our old cars, but little to no difference in the computer/efi systems of today.
That may well be your opinion - but it isn't actually what's happening.
There's documentation and written articles all over the web on this subject, of course - but the undeniable
facts are that "straight" gas has around 125,000BTU of energy in a gallon (mid-grade octane) and pure ethanol
has about 75,000BTU.
A mixture of the two (for example, the 10% ethanol blend they do around here) yields around 110,000BTU - and
less energy/"food" (BTU) per gallon is going to mean less fuel economy in the same application, every time.
Doesn't matter if it's an old car or a new one, that's always going to be the case.
Of course, another natural byproduct of that higher BTU content is more power possible from that same gallon
as well.

Yes, computer cars of today can adjust and maximize the optimum use of different fuels on the fly
a whole lot easier, but the fact still remains you get less potential Work from the same amount of Fuel
with ethanol blends vs. pure gasoline of similar octanes.

All the maladies associated with ethanol usage in old cars is a whole 'nother kettle of fish I won't get into
here (also well known, well documented, etc. out there)...but there's only one reason ethanol blend gas
is generally cheaper at the pump than 100% gas is:
Government subsidies.
Not at the pump so much, but at the production end of things.
Ethanol costs substantially more to produce than gasoline does initially, after all - but with all the government
subsidies in place (not to mention, the government mandates on the corn-producing industry), the end result
is it takes government monkeying with the market in order to make ethanol cheaper to use.
Yes, that's all by intent, of course.
I also am not going to address the "reasons" government is so heavy-handed into the fuel business (enviro-,
sustainability, tree hugging and all that other kumbaya stuff versus the higher prices of our food in stores due
to what those same mandates have done to the supply chain) - everyone has their own opinions on such
and anyone has zero % chance of changing my mind on any of it.

Personally, I use non-ethanol gas in everything I have that needs gas. Fred the GTX runs noticeably worse
on the ethanol blend and I've had to replace the old style (but newer) "rubber" fuel lines on him with line
made for use with fuel injection (and the local box auto parts stores still have the old type on reels as well, so
watch out!); my chainsaw and weedwacker have both had to get new carbs because ethanol ate the plastic
parts in the old ones (the local co-op mechanic gave me the heads up about it, since the 2-cycle oil you mix
in their fuel does NOT stop this from happening).
The late model vehicles I'm not as concerned about, as the trade-off in 10%+ less fuel economy (I keep logs)
is compared to the higher price of pure gas - but around town, they get the pure stuff too and within a 1/4
tank, they noticeably have more power as well.
So...
"Straight" gas is the superior product per gallon - but with all the monkeying around with pricing going on,
if all one is concerned about is cash outlay, your own conclusions may vary.
 
My cars will start better (when hot) running non ethanol fuel. I use to have long cranking times but that has gone away when I switched.
 
There is a chain of convenient/gas stores in Upstate NY that offers 91 octane ethanol free gas. Now at $3.94 per gallon. I use it in my Belvedere, I have to use it in my Audi and my wife's T-Bird and choose to us it in her Volvo and my lawn mower and snow blower. I have no idea if I get better mileage but I have an aversion to pouring corn syrup into my tank. Besides, the little tag on the gas door of the Audi and T-Bird say 91 octane. And who am I to argue with a chemical engineer.
 
My cars will start better (when hot) running non ethanol fuel. I use to have long cranking times but that has gone away when I switched.
When I drove my Hemi GTX home from Virginia, I had the same experience in reverse. The previous owner had run non ethanol fuel (87 octane) with additives to boost the octane level. The car started hot perfectly until I put ethanol gas in it. I no longer have the problem, but I can't say for sure what solved it, since I made several changes at the same time. I started adding the Lucas anti ethanol treatment, and installed a new fuel pump and factory vapor separator. When I drove my '69 GTX home from Iowa (the corn belt) I went from the most ethanol laden fuel in the country to better stuff. The performance and mileage improved as I headed east. Had the hot start problem, eliminated it when I got home by making the same changes I did to the Hemi. I have no personal stake in plugging Lucas products, but I've used the anti-ethanol stuff for years in my GTXs, and have not had any fuel system related problems. When I sold Baby Blue, she had a 30 year old Holley Street Avenger carb, and 44 year old electric fuel pump that were still working perfectly.
 
I’ve been using non-ethanol in my classics for 3 years now. The results have been great, and I pay a significant ~$1 more per gallon for 92 non ethanol, but it’s worth every penny. Alcohol is hydroscopic and absorbs water, bringing rust and sludge into the fuel system. My carbs don’t gum up over the winter, the float in my 65 Galaxie carb no longer sticks, starts better in hot weather, etc.
 
California has effectively outlawed non alcohol gasoline. Alcohol is not mandated, but oxygenated fuel is, and the oil companies use alcohol for that.
The only non-alcohol fuel available is full-on race gas. At $10/gal, at least. Our pump premium 91 varies from $4.75 to $5.25, depending on where you buy it.
Last place I saw that had E85 was asking $3.50.
I buy LL100 to sweeten my garbage pump gas (in another state which will remain nameless, lol). Last time, at $5.35, a couple weeks earlier had been $4.75, was under $4.00 in early 2020.
 
Here in Canada most gas station 'Premium' grade gas is ethanol free.
I wouldn't go that far... at least around here..
1 Shell v power
2 esso, at least if you believe their propaganda, which I half heartedly do.
All others , no as far as I could research.

I tell my customers Shell Only.
 
For the left coasty Cali types I found out some interesting info from a friend of mine. He hauls fuel out of Vegas, over by Nellis, that goes to the Indian reservations and casinos. It is not the junk you buy at Costco, Shell, Chevron and others. It is straight gas with 10% Ethanol and no CARB required extras that gives vehicles, equipment etc problems. One day I called to see how things were going and he told me he was at the Rincon Rez in San Diego County dropping off fuel. Since we both grew up in that area and I knew he lives in Vegas I asked him wtf was he doing all the way down there. Thats when I found out about the gas he hauls. He's gone as far as north past Frisco doing the same.
 
Here in the land of 10,000 taxes we have "non oxygenated" 91 premium. States right on the pump "for collector and off road vehicles only", good stuff but you pay for it. Never had a hint of detonation with iron heads, 10.2 comp, and 36*.

Mark
 
I guess I’ll be the guy that says his cars run just fine on 93 with the ethanol. My cars all run fine on it. I tried the ethanol free stuff and I couldn’t tell any difference. They all started the same, hot and cold. Long time sitting, short time, doesn’t matter. Performance felt the same. Never checked fuel economy, I’m a smiles per gallon driver. :)
 
I guess I’ll be the guy that says his cars run just fine on 93 with the ethanol. My cars all run fine on it. I tried the ethanol free stuff and I couldn’t tell any difference. They all started the same, hot and cold. Long time sitting, short time, doesn’t matter. Performance felt the same. Never checked fuel economy, I’m a smiles per gallon driver. :)
This is interesting, in that I've had similar experience, and both of us run PA fuel. Baby Blue (440 GTX) was an interesting test mule, in that I drove the car both before ethanol, and after ('83 to '91, and from 2013 to last month), and had no performance issues or component failures, and made no changes to the fuel system. The fact she had an electric fuel pump since the late 70s may have helped with the evaporation issue. I'm guessing the fuel we get in the Keystone State isn't as bad as stuff in other regions.
 
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