Climate change?

[chooch]

If the world has to come to an end from climate change I sure hope it happens soon then I won't have to worry about spending so much money on restoring some of my up coming projects...

 

[70chall440]

Funny how all those preaching man made climate change are making millions off it (none of them are speaking for free, write books, etc.).

Is the climate changing? Yes
Is mankind responsible? No
Can it be reversed? No
Is it the end to the earth? No
Is it the end to mankind? No
Are a lot of people going to make a lot of money off it? ABSOLUTELY!! all the while living in very expensive housing flying in private jets. They all say "follow the science".... funny how and scientist that even questions the party line is run out (yes there are scientists who disagree with much of this BS but are labeled "crackpots" and subdued).

Here's the bottom line; regardless of what you believe the earth's climate is changing as it has done since it became the earth. There is nothing anyone can do to change that but man kind can make the earth a cleaner place to live but given that no one other than western nations give a crap it is unlikely to change any time soon.

 

[Cojohnso1]

You got to love the "Hidden agenda" and "Media fed" answers. With no evidence of such. When the science of this narrative has overwhelming evidence. NOAA, NASA, US astrological Society, US Geological Survey. Just to name a few. The opposition? "Bob's Blog."

Man, I don't know who to believe?

 

[Triplegreen500]

We are already past the point of no return.

No, we are NOT.

The earth has been SIGNIFICANTLY WARMER in the past, than it is now.

What part of that does not compute??

The earth has been MUCH WARMER...and...guess what? It didn't self-destruct! Just like it won't self-destruct NOW, when it's not-as-warm-as-its-been-before.

Meaning, we are going to lose the ice caps by end of this century.

So what? It's happened before, obviously, since the earth has been much warmer before. And, obviously (since it's still here)...it isn't the proverbial end of the world.

And the obvious is solar deflection. (I'm guessing near the poles? But may not necessarily be the most effective.) We really only need to deflect a fraction of 1% as temporary measures to give the climate a chance to catch up with any greenhouse gas emissions reduction.

Yes...let's mess with a system that has self-regulated itself (successfully) for BILLIONS of years so far.

What could go wrong with THAT??

Arrogance, plain and simple. WE do not know best. THE PLANET DOES. Look at history. If it gets too hot...volcanoes will erupt and cool the earth through dust and ash cover. Look at history. That's how it happens. Hard facts from history prove that. A far better track record than humankind's 0-41 record for the "climate change" / "global warming" / "global cooling" / "little ice age" crowd....

 

[Chargered]

The temperature change for natural Climate change is measured in thousands. If not tens of thousands of years. What is measured today? Is in decades. And it's increasing. That's 100x faster. How about address the fact you might be wrong?

Oh boy, here we go......I can't believe people still fall for this ****.

 

[Richard Cranium]

Still need more evidence?

Don't worry. It's coming.

Below is a list of hurricanes that have hit Louisiana dating back mostly to the mid-1800's. There is one noted in 1527 and for sure, there were dozens more between 1527 & the 1850's, it's just no one was making records of them all.

Can you say with absolute certainty that hurricane intensity and frequencies are worse now today because of so-called climate change, or are they worse because there is more stuff for hurricanes to knock down today than there was 175-300 years ago?


Category 1

• Oct. 1-4, 1871: Number 7, Galveston, TX, 80 mph winds, 4 dead
• Oct. 16-19, 1887: Number 13, SE Louisiana, 85 mph winds
• Sept. 12, 1897: Number 2, Beaumont, TX, 85 mph winds
• Oc. 16, 1923: Number 7, Point Au Fer, 80 mph winds
• June 16, 1934: Number 2, Morgan City, 80 mph winds, 7 dead
• Aug. 14, 1938: Number 2, Cameron, 75 mph winds, 1 dead
• Aug. 6-10, 1940: Number 2, Cameron, 80 mph winds, 6 dead
• Oct. 19-21, 1942: Number 1, Galveston, TX, 80 mph winds
• Sept. 19, 1947: Number 4, New Orleans, 80 mph winds, 51 dead
• Sept. 3-4, 1948: Number 5, Timbalier Bay, 80 mph winds
• Sept. 14, 1960: Ethel, Port Eads, 90 mph winds
• Sept. 6, 1977: Babe, Caillou Bay, 75 mph winds
• July 11, 1979: Bob, Terrebonne Bay, 75 mph winds, 1 dead
• Aug. 16, 1985: Danny: Pecan Island, 90 mph winds, 0 dead
• Oct. 19-31, 1985: Juan, Atchafalaya, 85 mph winds
• June 26-27, 1986: Bonnie, Sabine Pass, 85 mph winds, 1 dead
• Sept. 9, 1988: Florence, Port Eads, 75 mph winds
• July 18, 1997: Danny, Grand Isle, 85 mph winds
• Oct. 3, 2002: Lili, Vermilion Bay, 75 mph winds
• July 5, 2005: Cindy, Grand Isle, 75 mph winds
• Sept. 13, 2007: Humberto, Vinton, 75 mph winds
• Sept. 13, 2008: Ike, Point Bolivar, TX, 75 mph winds
• Aug. 28-29, 2012: Isaac, Shell Beach, 80 mph winds, 3 dead
• Oct. 8, 2017: Nate, Biloxi, MS, 90 mph winds
• July 13, 2019: Barry, Marsh Island, 75 mph winds

Category 2

• Sept. 14-15, 1860: Number 4, Mouth of the Mississippi River, 105 mph winds
• Oct. 2-3, 1860: Number 6, Atchafalaya, 105 mph winds, 13 dead
• Sept. 12-13, 1865: Number 4, Johnson's Bayou, 105 mph winds, 23 dead
• July 12-13, 1866: Number 1, Louisiana Coast, 105 mph winds
• Oct. 3-4, 1867: Number 7, Venice, 105 mph winds
• Aug. 22-23, 1879: Number 3, High Island, 105 mph winds, 2 dead
• Sept. 14, 1882: Number 3, Sabine Pass, 105 mph winds
• June 13-14, 1886: Number 3, Sabine Pass, 100 mph winds
• Aug. 18-20, 1888: Number 3, SE Louisiana, 110 mph winds
• Sept. 6-8, 1893: Number 8, Morgan City, 100 mph winds
• Aug. 14-15, 1901: Number 4, Grand Isle, 90 mph winds, 10 dead
• Sept. 26, 1906: Number 6, Pascagoula, MS, 110 mph winds
• Oct. 10-18, 1916: Number 14, Pensacola, 110 mph winds
• Sept. 21-22, 1920: Number 2, Last Island, 100 mph winds
• July 26-27, 1943: Number 1, Galveston, TX, 100 mph winds
• Sept. 24, 1956: Flossy, Grand Isle, 100 mph winds, 8 dead
• Sept. 16, 1971: Edith, Pecan Island, 100 mph winds, 3 dead
• Sept. 27-28 1998: Georges, Pascagoula, MS, 110 mph winds, 2 dead
• Sept. 1, 2008: Gustav, Mouth of the Mississippi River, 100 mph winds
• Oct. 9, 2021: Delta, Creole, 100 mph winds

Category 3
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• Aug. 26, 1852: Number 1, Pascagoula, MS, 115 mph winds
• Sept. 15-16, 1856: Number 5, Mouth of the Mississippi River, 125 mph winds
• Aug. 11, 1860: Number 1, SE Louisiana, 125 mph winds, 47 dead
• Sept. 1, 1879: Number 4, Morgan City, 120 mph winds, 1 dead
• Oct. 12, 1886: Number 10, Sabine Pass, 120 mph winds, 3 dead
• Oct. 1-2, 1893: Number 10, Mouth of the Mississippi River, 130 mph winds, 2000 dead
• July 21, 1909: Number 4, Freeport, TX, 115 mph winds, 2 dead
• Sept. 20, 1909: Number 8, Thibodaux, 120 mph winds, 353 dead
• Aug. 15-17, 1915: Number 2, Galveston, TX, 130 mph winds
• Sept. 29, 1915: Number 6, Lockport, 130 mph winds, 275 dead
• Oct. 6, 1918: Number 1, Cameron, 120 mph winds, 34 dead
• Aug. 25-27, 1926: Number 3, Houma, 115 mph winds, 25 dead
• Sept. 22-24, 1941: Number 2, Texas City, 120 mph winds
• Oct. 3, 1964, Hilda, Salt Point, 115 mph winds, 81 dead
• Sept. 10, 1965: Betsy, Grand Isle, 125 mph winds
• Sept. 7-8, 1974: Carmen, Point Au Fer, 120 mph winds, 3 dead
• Sept. 2, 1985: Elena, Gulfport, 115 mph winds, 19 dead
• Aug. 26, 1992: Andrew, Atchafalaya, 115 mph winds, 2+ dead
• Oct. 4, 1995: Opal, Pensacola, Florida, 115 mph winds, 0 dead
• Aug. 29, 2005: Katrina, Mouth of the Mississippi River, 125 mph winds, 1,577 dead
• Sept. 24, 2005: Rita, Johnson's Bayou, 115 mph winds, 1 dead
• Oct. 28, 2020: Zeta, Cocodrie, 115 mph winds, 3 dead

Category 4

• Aug. 10-12, 1856: Last Island, Isle Dernieres, 150 mph winds, 200+ dead
• Sept. 7-8, 1900: Galveston, Galveston, TX, 145 mph winds, 4 dead
• June 27, 1957: Audrey, Sabine Pass, 145 mph winds, 526 dead
• Sept. 11, 1961: Carla, Port Lavaca, 145 mph winds, 39 dead
• Aug. 27, 2020: Laura, Cameron, 150 mph winds, 30 dead
• Aug. 29, 2021: Ida, Port Fourchon, 150 mph winds

Category 5

• Aug. 17-18, 1969: Camille, Pass Christian, MS, 190 mph winds

Uncategorized
There were 20 hurricanes recorded from 1527 to 1846 that were not categorized nor had wind speeds taken. Most of them were not named and specific details are sparse. Those can be found below, as organized by date.

• Oct. 23, 1527: Landfall at the Mouth of the Mississippi River
• Sept. 22-24, 1722: Landfall at New Orleans
• Sept. 23, 1740: Landfall at the Mouth of the Mississippi River
• Sept. 2, 1772: Landfall at West of Mobile
• Sept. 12, 1776: Landfall at New Orleans
• Oct. 7-10, 1778: Landfall at the Mouth of the Mississippi River
• Aug. 18, 1779: Landfall at New Orleans
• Oct. 7-10, 1779: Landfall at New Orleans
• Aug. 24, 1780: Landfall at New Orleans
• Aug. 23, 1781: Landfall at New Orleans
• Aug. 31, 1794: Landfall at New Orleans, at least 1 dead
• August 1800, Landfall at New Orleans
• 1811, Landfall at New Orleans
• Aug. 19-20, 1812: Landfall at Last Island, 45 dead
• Aug. 19, 1813: Landfall at North Gulf Coast
• July 25-28, 1819: Landfall at Bay St. Louis, MS, 43 dead
• Sept. 15-17, 1821: Landfall at Bay St. Louis, MS, 34 dead
• Aug. 16, 1831: Great Barbados, Landfall at Last Island, 1500 dead
• Oct. 5-7, 1837: Racer's Storm, Landfall at Cameron, 105 dead
• April 3, 1946, Landfall at the Mouth of the Mississippi River

https://www.nola.com/news/hurricane/article_4d11980c-08f2-11ec-864d-db7d7884b2dc.html

 

[Mike67]

The temperature change for natural Climate change is measured in thousands. If not tens of thousands of years. What is measured today? Is in decades. And it's increasing. That's 100x faster. How about address the fact you might be wrong?

How do you know that it wasnt doing the same thing 10 thousnad years ago? Were there any paranoid prehistoric record keepers?
You have hurricanes almost every year, just like heat waves, cold blast etc etc...
You ought to be worried about other things that will affext you long term...

 

[Richard Cranium]

The OP obviously has some sort of "agenda" to start this topic off as he did.

 

[Cojohnso1]

No, we are NOT.

The earth has been SIGNIFICANTLY WARMER in the past, than it is now.

What part of that does not compute??

The earth has been MUCH WARMER...and...guess what? It didn't self-destruct! Just like it won't self-destruct NOW, when it's not-as-warm-as-its-been-before.


So what? It's happened before, obviously, since the earth has been much warmer before. And, obviously (since it's still here)...it isn't the proverbial end of the world.


Yes...let's mess with a system that has self-regulated itself (successfully) for BILLIONS of years so far.

What could go wrong with THAT??
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That is a legitimate concern. And who would regulate? There are atmospheric as well orbital treaties that forbids a nation to act alone. For obvious reasons.

As far as higher temps in the past? Yes. There has been. And there has been ice ages as well. But again, those natural changes occurred over thousands of years. What is measured today? Is far faster change that has ever been recorded. (At least as far back science is comfortable with its findings.) Ice core, oceanic mud cores, geo core samples. Hell even tree rings are all saying the same thing.

I'm stunned by the layman's here throwing out volcano and other stats as if the science of climate change would not have taken into account?

The debate is really so lopsided its comical. The only real debate is. "What do we do abouts it?"

 

[Richard Cranium]

I'm stunned by the layman's here throwing out volcano and other stats as if the science of climate change would not have taken into account?

If we are all laymen here, please inform us what your expertise is.

 

[toolmanmike]

I'm stunned by the layman's here throwing out volcano and other stats as if the science of climate change would not have taken into account?

Volcano's creating a ice age? Here's a little info to digest. You had better study up. There will be a test at the end of the chapter.

https://ui.adsabs.harvard.edu/abs/2017AGUFMPP43D..05Z/abstract

 

[barbee6043]

Here's the deal/
If you live on the E Coast or Gulf, you will suffer thru hurricanes.
If you get caught in a flash flood, you can very well drown. No do not drive thru running water, turn around. If our home is in a flood zone, not good.
If you live on the W. Coast where wildfires are EVERY year, sooner or later you/your property will be at risk. If you have timber right near that home, that is NOT good. As is tall grass, brush.
You choose to live there, or on on the beach or in a flood plain???
Dust Bowl days????? Hummmmmm who claimed climate change back then!???

 

[eldubb440]

The OP obviously has some sort of "agenda" to start this topic off as he did.

well, the "adults back in charge" narrative sure took a dump in the past couple months..... I suppose he has moved on

 

[Cojohnso1]

If we are all laymen here, please inform us what your expertise is.

My expertise in IT. Information. I have forwarded many times links to the science foundations that have studied, made sample analysis and published conclusions. It's the science denying crowd that has offered no counter data that would even remotely dispute? This crowd has had decades of opportunity. Koch Bros did sponsor their own study. With the narrative to disprove. The chief scientist Richard Muller of this study is saying climate change is real. Even after years of supporting disinformation campaigns by that same Koch Brothers institution.

If this an actual debate? It's turtle race.

 

[Kern Dog]

Man, I don't know who to believe?

I believe this. Finally some factual information.

 

[Ron H]

Isn't jack Schitt the son of Awe Schitt?

LOL, yeah I've read jack has a bunch of relatives

 

[Triplegreen500]

Climate change IS real.

It is also NATURAL.

And, it is caused BY THE PLANET, and the sun, not by mankind. Archaeological evidencve proves this. Tree rings prove this. Ice cores prove this.

"How fast" doesn't mean dick. We STILL haven't hit the high temperatures the planet was at, around 1300AD, or 1100BC. And, far as I can tell...there was no internal combustion engines, or coal factories, or any of our other stuff, at either of those timeframes.

0-41 for the climate change crowd....I guess that being "proven science" is using the same math where a 99.7% recovery rate is "bad" and "dangerous to mankind".

Call me when you get one right (for a change).

 

[Ron H]

Fingernails dragging across the chalkboard continues...for those that remember chalkboards...unless we want to get into what triggers one's gag reflex for some comparison.

 

[cr8crshr]

"What do we do abouts it?"

There is not a damn thing we can do as I have already stated here. Simply, MOTHER NATURE IS IN CHARGE!!! PERIOD!!! What part of that do you not comprehend??? Asking for a Friend...cr8crshr/Bill

 

[Richard Cranium]

My expertise in IT. Information. I have forwarded many times links to the science foundations that have studied, made sample analysis and published conclusions. It's the science denying crowd that has offered no counter data that would even remotely dispute? This crowd has had decades of opportunity. Koch Bros did sponsor their own study. With the narrative to disprove. The chief scientist Richard Muller of this study is saying climate change is real. Even after years of supporting disinformation campaigns by that same Koch Brothers institution.

If this an actual debate? It's turtle race.

Lemme get this straight; you looked online for a bunch of scientist’s opinions on this subject and you agree with them, so in your mind it must be real. Got it.