ev cars , new tires every 6000 miles ?

[hdwrench]

Nobody Told EV Owners How Quickly They Burn Through Tires

 

[Kern Dog]

How about a copy and paste?

In case you missed it, there's been a lot of discourse surrounding electric vehicles and tires lately. Not only do EVs wear through their rubber and roads quicker because of their relatively extreme heft, but the instant power they put down also accelerates the process. Owners are shocked to learn this firsthand because, as J.D. Power reports, their daily drivers chew through tires like they're going out of style. And not only that, but many were supposedly never told this would happen.
This points to a few failings in the car buying process. Since J.D. Power's studies show that EV owners typically anticipate similar tire wear as internal combustion car owners, it shows that adoption has leapfrogged education. This can be true for both buyers and sellers at new car dealerships. For instance, all the automaker buzz about EVs tends to blind customers to the potential downsides, and salespeople may be unaware or unwilling to share what they know about differences with electric car ownership.

Ford

Ashley Edgar, senior director of benchmarking and alternative mobility at J.D. Power, says this is a problem that should be addressed by car companies and tire manufacturers alike:
“The widening satisfaction gap between EVs and gas-powered vehicles highlights an opportunity for tire manufacturers and automakers to educate EV owners on the differences in performance. Additionally, because of the inherent conflict of maximizing vehicle range and optimizing tire wear for EVs, tire manufacturers and automakers need to work together to overcome the challenge without completely sacrificing tire performance in other areas, especially as the EV market continues to increase.”
Now, big-name OEMs like Michelin and Goodyear sell rubber specifically for battery-powered cars. Marketing is one reason, of course, but so are the legitimately different requirements of EV tires. They must strike a different balance of strength, weight, and resiliency without hampering vehicle range or causing excessive noise. That's a tall task when you're dealing with 6,000-pound sedans and "midsize" trucks that weigh as much as a dually pickup.
Automotive dealer software company CDK Global published a lengthy study about EV service in late 2023. In it, one respondent said that “when it comes to EVs, tires are the new oil change." We published a story last August about Rivian R1Ts needing new rubber after as few as 6,000 miles. Not all EV owners deal with such egregious wear, but considering most service shops recommend oil changes every 5,000 miles on gasoline-powered cars, the comparison checks out in that case.
It only becomes more disconcerting when you see how pricey EV-specific tires are. If you're looking at the Goodyear ElectricDrive, they start at $201 apiece. Step up to the ElectricDrive GT models and they're $271 a pop, meaning it's nearly $1,100 for a set. And while these would work for a Tesla Model 3, they wouldn't properly fit a Rivian, whose 275/65R20 Pirelli Scorpion All-Terrain Plus tires cost $461.68 each.

Rivian
EVs obviously have their place in the future of transportation. Still, the industry has a long way to go in educating customers about the upsides and downsides while also developing products that provide better value for folks. The thing is, there has to be an incentive for companies to do so, and at a time when it's difficult enough to sell EVs as it is, what's the likelihood of a salesperson bringing up maintenance costs?

 

[kiwigtx]

Suckers.

 

[kiwigtx]

I go through tires much faster than that in my A100....but for different reasons.

 

[Detective D]

I wonder if that bridge that fell down would have been rated for a full traffic load of EV's?

Anyway,
All this will do is "force" all tires to get a lot more expensive as research on how to make a polished turd has to be paid for.
Maybe I should get a new set for the tow rig before this summer finds truck tires prices going up 50%.

Remember in the 90's when cars had 14" tires and you could buy a set with a 80k mile warranty for like $45/tire? And they would run smooth, and quiet, and be good in snow and on gas?
Oh that's right, cars weighed half what they do now back then.

 

[70 sublime]

Load of crap
We have an EV that I drive just the same as a gas car and it has 19 000 miles on it and the tires are fine

 

[Budnicks]

Another Nail in their (EV's liberals mandates) proverbial coffin's,
way too expensive to own & maintain,
let alone even charge or park now too

 

[Kern Dog]

I spoke with a counter man at a tire store nearby. He did say that the electric cars go through tires faster than the real cars.

 

[Nxcoupe]

Load of crap
We have an EV that I drive just the same as a gas car and it has 19 000 miles on it and the tires are fine

You probably drive like a sane person and that helps a lot. A true EV is very heavy, and unless the tires are hard as a rock, they do wear quicker than lighter gas vehicles, but the type of vehicle and tires it's equipped with affect it.

 

[alsant]

They will never be more than a toy for people that have money to waste

 

[AR67GTX]

I suspect that most people who really wanted an EV already have one now. The exception is those with sticker shock. Neither Detroit or Washington are going to be able to do anything for their sticker shock except aggravate it. So my suspicion is that the market is pretty close to saturated at this point and Washington and the left can kiss their EV future goodby. Maybe it’s not as simple as that - guess we will see in a year or two.

 

[Detective D]

I suspect that most people who really wanted an EV already have one now. The exception is those with sticker shock. Neither Detroit or Washington are going to be able to do anything for their sticker shock except aggravate it. So my suspicion is that the market is pretty close to saturated at this point and Washington and the left can kiss their EV future goodby. Maybe it’s not as simple as that - guess we will see in a year or two.

Cash for clunkers 2: electric boogaloo.
You see Ivan, in Soviet Russia if price too high, you just tell stupid people there is "free money" for trading in their nice old car. People are too stupid to understand the free money is tax money, which is their money in the first place. Then, you grift even more money from everyone for "processing fees" and sell old cars to China who will melt them down on barge in ocean and dump waste overboard in international waters to save shipping, then sell back crappy contaminated steel.
Everyone win!

In all seriousness, last time that program came about every car that went through the system cost tax payers over $17k. Not kidding about the ocean barge and dumping everything overboard either. They didn't waste time scrubbing that off the internet.
Then of course the used car market was broken for a decade after, but who cares about that?

 

[Moms68]

yep. We use Transit 150 vans as our service vehicles. One of them (unfortunately is an EV which is a 250 due to the weight) gets 120 miles on a charge. The tech that drives it has to charge it everyday (and wait in line most times) with a cost of about 30.00. It needed new tires last week at 14000 miles. What a piece of garbage this thing turned out to be.

By the way the rest of the gas powered vans go at least a week (300+ miles) on 60.00 of fuel. 50000+ miles for tires.

 

[Hey-O]

If I want one, I'll get one, but NO one will tell me that I have to or walk. Never going to happen and write it down that I said so! I want 600 miles on a charge, 15 minutes to fully charge, I want the battery to last as long as Greg's engine in his truck. and I'm not into ever burning road flares and garage bombs. Fix these issues and then call me....... Not really, don't call me!

 

[Richard Cranium]

If I want one, I'll get one, but NO one will tell me that I have to or walk. Never going to happen and write it down that I said so! I want 600 miles on a charge, 15 minutes to fully charge, I want the battery to last as long as Greg's engine in his truck. and I'm not into ever burning road flares and garage bombs. Fix these issues and then call me....... Not really, don't call me!

On my recent trip to Florida & back, my truck would go 700 miles on a full tank. We'd stop at about 200 for a stretch & pee & than fill up around noon for the next stretch, pee & lunch & quit driving at around 600-650 miles. At 3,650 miles round trip, that would have been 15 recharges with an EV & I can't imagine how much longer that would have taken, along with the worry of having to search for a plug-in station.

 

[Hey-O]

On my recent trip to Florida & back, my truck would go 700 miles on a full tank. We'd stop at about 200 for a stretch & pee & than fill up around noon for the next stretch, pee & lunch & quit driving at around 600-650 miles. At 3,650 miles round trip, that would have been 15 recharges with an EV & I can't imagine how much longer that would have taken, along with the worry of having to search for a plug-in station.

There are far more questions about this mode of transportation, than there are answers. They're not near the point, yet, that makes this an appropriate alternative as far as I'm concerned. This is a perfect case of the cart before the horse. I believe the push for this, will be met with a bigger push back. As they say in football, a loss of two yards.

 

[Photon440]

You probably drive like a sane person and that helps a lot. A true EV is very heavy, and unless the tires are hard as a rock, they do wear quicker than lighter gas vehicles, but the type of vehicle and tires it's equipped with affect it.

The most popular true EV is the Tesla Model 3, which weights less than the 2023 Dodge Charger.

 

[70 sublime]

Maybe the bigger question will be is How much does the price of gas have to go up before it hurts so much to fill the tank that other types of fuel will start to look better ??
I know I have already saved $4500 in fuel costs using electric to travel 19 000 miles over gas

Electric does not have to be for everyone or all the time
Our car works out great in our life style as we do not comute very far for work every day but all the little trips do add up over time
We have had our EV for about 15 months now

I still have my 2021 Ram truck if we really have to go someplace at a moments notice