Firm Feel or Steer & Gear Box

Brakes, Steering & Suspension

Firm Feel or Steer & Gear, In general what are your experiences

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  2. Firm Feel

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  3. Bone stock rebuild from local parts store

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  1. johneich

    johneich FBBO Gold Member FBBO Gold Member

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    Firm Feel or Steer & Gear Box
     
  2. hunt2elk

    hunt2elk FBBO Gold Member FBBO Gold Member

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    PST is selling some decent new manual steering boxes. I would definitely go that route instead of a parts store rebuild. Steer & Gear and Firm Feel are pretty equal imo.
     
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    • Kern Dog

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      Yes.
       
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      • kiwigtx

        kiwigtx Trendsetter Staff Member FBBO Gold Member

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        Are you sure? :D
         
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        • Kern Dog

          Kern Dog FBBO Gold Member FBBO Gold Member

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          If you are one to trust Rick Ehrenberg from Mopar Action magazine, you'd be better off with Firm Feel.
          He works out of New York state and has used both Firm Feel and Steer and Gear. It has been awhile but he had a bad experience with
          S & G. He had been a faithful FF customer but decided to give S&G a chance.
          I have a Firm Feel Stage 3 steering unit in my '70 Charger. The thing feels great, does NOT leak and is a huge improvement over a cheap rebuild you'd get at O'Rielleys, Auto Zone or any other place. If you have driven newer cars for many years, do yourself a favor and choose the STAGE 3 option. Stage 1 is stock and has as much feel as a steering wheel on a video game. Stage 2 isn't much better. Stage 3 feels great. The steering is NOT overboosted. You have to give it effort to turn. You could almost sneeze on a wheel with a stock rebuild and it will turn. Stage 3 feels like power assisted steering, not like the tires are on ice like the others.
          Steer and Gear is closer to you and in all fairness, they wouldn't be in business if they were idiots. Every business has some bad employees every now and then. Maybe you can do some research on Yelp to see what others have reported?
           
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          • Hilljack68

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            I went with S&G, mainly because they're right down the road from me, and I was able to talk with them face to face at Nationals a few years ago. It wasn't a huge departure from the factory feel, but slightly better. For what it's worth, I notice more people have FF than S&G.
             
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            • OKDart

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              Poor mans version would be a $100 stock rebuilt unit with a smaller diameter steering wheel. 14” Grant wheel would be a stage 2. And a Mexican welded chain steering wheel would be a stage 3.

              I liked the way mine handled with a 14” wheel and a Federal power steering pump.
               
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              • 5wndwcpe

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                I had S&G rebuild the box in my '57. Didn't notice much difference in the feel, but at least it leaked after I got it back.

                Funny, it didn't leak before I sent it to them. I've been using Firm Feel ever since.
                 
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                • Timmayy

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                  I installed the Firm Feel years ago on my 69 Sport Satellite convert. I forget which stage but I love it. Plus I use the stock steering wheel.
                  My 69 Dart with a 440 has stock power steering but I did the smaller Grant steering wheel. I like that just as well.
                   
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                  MarPar If it weighs, it pays FBBO Gold Member

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                  • CoronetDarter

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                    Like Kern I went with the FF Stage 3 on the Coronet. It's got that nice "heavy" feel at low speeds, and quick response at higher speeds.
                    They also rebuilt the man box in the Dart. I highly recommend them.
                    I've never dealt with S&G.
                     
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                    • Toxic Orange 493

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                      I just ordered a stage 2 box from Firm Feel this week. They currently have a 3-4 month backlog. I wanted to get a stage 3 box, but they said the parts to make a stage 3 are getting hard to find and are charging $150 premium for the stage 3 box.
                       
                    • Kern Dog

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                      If Firm Feel won't step up, go with the Borgeson.
                       
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                      FF has to go through a lot of cores to find acceptable units to rebuild and sell. As time goes on, the useable core piles are dwindling. And I would suspect the hard parts suppliers are slowing down to due to market forces.
                       
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